Poverty in Venezuela dropped by 24.5 percentage points over the last decade

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Poverty and inequality in Venezuela keep dropping according to Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (Cepal), they showed a decrease of 2.5% and 0.9% respectively for 2008 compared to last year.

especially Healthcare improved enormly

In 1998 there were 1,628 primary care physicians for a population of 23.4 million. Today, there are 19,571 for a population of 27 million. In 1998 there were 417 emergency rooms, 74 rehab centers and 1,628 primary care centers compared to 721 emergency rooms, 445 rehab centers and 8,621 primary care centers (including the 6,500 ‘check-up points,’ usually in poor neighborhoods, and that are in the process of being expanded to more comprehensive primary care centers) today
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http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/indicators#social_spending

Atm, it looks like the Bolivarian revolution / 21st. Century Socialism is working. Atleast for the poor.
 
Commie propaganda :D

We have all been told what a nasty dictator Chavez is.
No way he would spend the money on the people instead of giving it to oilcompanies. (or did I get the propaganda wrong?)
 
Toke said:
Commie propaganda :D

We have all been told what a nasty dictator Chavez is.
No way he would spend the money on the people instead of giving it to oilcompanies. (or did I get the propaganda wrong?)
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His politicies are not for the most part that bad. The problem is respect for democracy there has droped by a rather larger percentage. For the moment his term ends in 2013 although it remains to be seen if he will accept that.
 
My issue with Chavez has always been with his pompous foreign policy critiques. That his country seems to be doing well is good. I'm glad for the Venezuelan people.
 
Toke said:
Commie propaganda :D

We have all been told what a nasty dictator Chavez is.
No way he would spend the money on the people instead of giving it to oilcompanies. (or did I get the propaganda wrong?)
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:D
 
geni said:
His politicies are not for the most part that bad. The problem is respect for democracy there has droped by a rather larger percentage. For the moment his term ends in 2013 although it remains to be seen if he will accept that.
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democracy dropped? compared to what?

It is thanks to Chavez and Maquelina that Venezuela got a new and very well worked out constitution.
Now they have a Direct Democracy. What Chavez also did was bringing Democracy to the people. It was important for him to restore the participation and trust in the Democratic system.
Thanks to the new Constitution the opposition has a recall referendum, so it would be possible to kick the president out of office by democratic means. But the majority of people wanted to keep him.

Democracy improved alot in Venezuela.

It is however true that Chavez is pushing to be able to runn more than only 2 terms, like it is now.
Venezuelans will vote about it this year, we will see what the people think about it.

Maybe it is Naive of me, but i do belive he wants to run another term to continue his work.
But it can be that he is addicted to power meanwhile. we will see indeed.

but i cant agree that Democracy dropped under Chavez, it actually improved alot.
 
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One point of his social programms i dislike is, the new shops where you can buy food for 50% less the price.
they oppened alot new shops, instead of working together with the existing shops, now there are alot shop owners that have no chance with theyr normal prices, even middleclass and the rich go to the cheaper shops.
 
Venezuela is a one-trick pony, its economy completely at the mercy of the price of oil.

Chavez will not be able to resist the temptation to get short-term economic gains by deferring necessary maintenance on his oil infrastructure, which will result in reduced output further down the road and the downward spiral will gain momentum.

And his penchant for nationalizing will make sure that private industry will not invest in Venezuela.

Cuba is not a viable economic model for any state.
 
All dictatorships do well in the beginning, until the head guy starts to go South. I could be wrong and Venezuela continues to go well, but something tells me this Chávez is a bit of a nutter. I'll be glad if history proves me wrong.
 
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WildCat said:
Venezuela is a one-trick pony, its economy completely at the mercy of the price of oil.
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Well yes. When the oil industry is in private hands all the money from it will tend to leave the country makeing it rather hard for other forms of economic development to appear.
 
Pardalis said:
All dictatorships do well in the beginning,
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False. Some of the leaders of Haiti come to mind.

until the head guy starts to go South.
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There have been dictatorships where the guy in charge was no worse than your average leader but things went wrong due to events beyond their control.

I could be wrong and Venezuela continues to go well, but something tells me this Chávez is a bit of a nutter. I'll be glad if history proves me wrong.
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Chávez is firmly sane. Just rather power hungry. After his militry coup failed he has been rather more sucessful with the stratergy that it is cheaper to bribe the poor and the rich. Give the poor better schools roads and something passing for medical care and they will tend to vote for you even if some rich people are loseing out.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
democracy dropped? compared to what?

It is thanks to Chavez and Maquelina that Venezuela got a new and very well worked out constitution.
Now they have a Direct Democracy. What Chavez also did was bringing Democracy to the people. It was important for him to restore the participation and trust in the Democratic system.
Thanks to the new Constitution the opposition has a recall referendum, so it would be possible to kick the president out of office by democratic means. But the majority of people wanted to keep him.

Democracy improved alot in Venezuela.
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Generaly bugging the political oposition and playing anything embarising on evening television is not acceptable in a liberal democracy.



But it can be that he is addicted to power meanwhile. we will see indeed.
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We know he doesn't respect democracy and has a significant desire for power (he launched his own coup attempt in the 90s remember).
 
Pardalis said:
All dictatorships do well in the beginning, until the head guy starts to go South.
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Didn't Chile do better towards the end?

But yeah, dictatorships that start out allright (considering the circumstances) can turn sour very quickly. I was told, by a friend much older than myself, that the popularity of Ceaucescu in Romania in the late 1960s/early 1970s was probably genuine.
 
WildCat said:
Venezuela is a one-trick pony, its economy completely at the mercy of the price of oil.

Chavez will not be able to resist the temptation to get short-term economic gains by deferring necessary maintenance on his oil infrastructure, which will result in reduced output further down the road and the downward spiral will gain momentum.

And his penchant for nationalizing will make sure that private industry will not invest in Venezuela.

Cuba is not a viable economic model for any state.
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and experts say:

"Since the government got control over the oil industry five and a half years ago, the Venezuelan economy has nearly doubled in size, growing about 95 percent after adjusting for inflation,” said economist Mark Weisbrot, of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in Washington D.C.

“This is unprecedented growth for Venezuela and the fastest in the hemisphere during this period,” Weisbrot explained.

Contrary to the common perception of an overly statist Venezuela, Weisbrot noted that in these years “the private sector has grown faster than the public sector,” adding that “the vast majority of this growth has been in the non-oil sector of the economy.”
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timhau said:
How is Venezuela coping with the current oil prices? Can Chavez keep his programs running with $40/barrel oil?
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it will get alot lot harder.
But actually one of the mainpoint in the Venezuelan revolution was that a very small minority of the country got very wealthy with Venezuelas oil, while the rest got poorer and poorer.

And that has changed, now the Majority of the country is profiting from the oilwealth.

And he is pushing non oil economy to get away from the oil dependence.
 
geni said:
Generaly bugging the political oposition and playing anything embarising on evening television is not acceptable in a liberal democracy.





We know he doesn't respect democracy and has a significant desire for power (he launched his own coup attempt in the 90s remember).
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How do you know?

and when you take a look how the opposition is spreading anti chavista propaganda in the private owned press, you will realise that is how they do it in Venezuela. its very diffrent from the USA, but the USA does things also very diffrent than in switzerland.
 
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Pardalis said:
All dictatorships do well in the beginning, until the head guy starts to go South. I could be wrong and Venezuela continues to go well, but something tells me this Chávez is a bit of a nutter. I'll be glad if history proves me wrong.
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yes Chavez is a bit a nutter.
But he is not a Dictator.
 
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