Hafrada is worse than Apartheid

[XenonII]

congratulations you have arbitrarily divided Homo Sapiens Sapiens into 3 groups based on some superficial visual differences. I hope it suits whatever you want to use it for.

Unless Australian is a subgroup I don't want to play...

Australian is a nationality, not a race. Australian is also an ethnicity though, which is the next level down from subrace. Australian is a pseudonym for British. The Australians (and i'm talking about the REAL Australians and not some MultiCULTists PC definition of an "Australian" ) are those people descended from the original British colonists that discovered, brought civilization to, and founded Australia. It is thanks to their efforts that their is an Australia today. They built Australia.

Unlike some other species, divisions of mankind are not based on just "superficial visual differences" either. Race is more than just a person's appearance.

 

[The Fool]

Australian is a nationality, not a race. Australian is also an ethnicity though, which is the next level down from subrace. Australian is a pseudonym for British. The Australians (and i'm talking about the REAL Australians and not some MultiCULTists PC definition of an "Australian" ) are those people descended from the original British colonists that discovered, brought civilization to, and founded Australia. It is thanks to their efforts that their is an Australia today. They built Australia.

Unlike some other species, divisions of mankind are not based on just "superficia lvisual differences" either.

I really think you should start a thread on this as I think you are definitely onto something. Even some subgroups of australians are infinitely superior to other. People from my state (New South wales) are far superior even to the whitest people from where A_Unique_person comes from (Victoria). As demonstrated by the wierd form of football they play.

Lets not derail this thread any longer with your insites...start a thread man!

 

[RandFan]

Don't confuse RACE with species! Race is a genetic FACT!

No, it's not. You are either ignorant of the facts or you are lying.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion

...most human variation falls within, not between populations. About 85% of all genetic variation can, on average, be found within any local population, be they Swedes, Kikuyu, or Hmong. About 94% can be found within any continental population, consistent with what the Rosenberg Science study found. In fact, there are no characteristics, no traits, not even one gene that turns up in all members of one so-called race yet is absent from others.

THAT is a fact.

 

[XenonII]

I really think you should start a thread on this as I think you are definitely onto something. Even some subgroups of australians are infinitely superior to other. People from my state (New South wales) are far superior even to the whitest people from where A_Unique_person comes from (Victoria). As demonstrated by the wierd form of football they play.

Lets not derail this thread any longer with your insites...start a thread man!

Hmmm I don't think there's any need for a new thread? I've just about said all that I have to say on this subject.

I make no value judgements when I acknowledge that not everyone is the same. We are not all the same race or gender, for example. An Indian is not a White and a White is not an Arab. We have differences. Those differences or not bad, they are just a fact of life.

The fact is that a nation consists of a group of people that all share the same ethnic background. For the Australian nation, that is those descended from the convicts from the British Isles, it is not the Mongoloids that preceeded them, for they did nout found Australia and had no real civilization to speak of. Others may have Australian citizenship, but they are not and cannot be part of the Australian nation, for the do not qualify on ethnic grounds. It is as simple as that.

 

[RandFan]

Race is more than just a person's appearance.

Really? Then perhaps you could stop flapping your gums and post evidence. The fact is that while there are characteristics that are common among groups of people (like Sickle cell anemia) there is as much genetic variation within groups as between groups. That is a fact.

Race is an arbitrary human construct to justify tribalism.

 

[RandFan]

I make no value judgements when I acknowledge that not everyone is the same. We are not all the same race or gender, for example. An Indian is not a White and a White is not an Arab. We have differences. Those differences or not bad, they are just a fact of life.

If you are really interested in the facts then perhaps you could present some rather than continue to make unsupported claims. All genetic studies to date demonstrate that genetic variation is as likely within groups as without.

But then, what the hell does facts have to do with it when you can simply declare something true. Right?

 

[XenonII]

No, it's not. You are either ignorant of the facts or you are lying.

THAT is a fact.

Race IS a genetic fact. It is possible to tell what someones race is solely by their DNA. I will have to find the URL that proves it. It was posted at FreeRepublic.com. "The Power of Illusion" is blatant liberal propaganda! "The Power of Illusion" is not true, it is wishful thinking and a pack of lies and pseudo-scientific nonsense! Race denial is the 21st century equivalent of believing that the Earth is flat!

 

[RandFan]

Race IS a genetic fact.

Stating it is a fact doesn't make it a fact. This is a skeptics forum. We deal in evidence.

It is possible to tell what someones race is solely by their genetic code.

One more time. There is as much variation within groups as there is between groups.

"The Power of Illusion" is blatant liberal propaganda!

Ad hominem. This is a fallacy. You don't address the arguments made nor the evidence that comes from many different sources.

Race denial is the 21st century equivalent of believing that the World is flat!

More ad hominem. This isn't argument. It isn't evidence. is not evidence either.

 

[RandFan]

It was posted at FreeRepublic.com.

See, when you post your link I'll address the arguments made instead of just dismissing it with ad hominem attacking of FreeRepublic.

That's assuming you ever post the damn link.

 

[Skeptic]

If anything "lacks nuance", it is strafing mosques, refugee camps and schools with bombers.

Well, perhaps hiding missiles and ammunition in them was not such a hot idea, then.

Hamas considers useful idiots such as yourself as part of its defense strategy against Israel: turn mosques into ammunition dumps, act shocked when they're bombed, wait for the useful idiots to start attacking Israel for its disproportionate response. Usually works.

What's disproportionate is hiding missiles in Mosques; but then again, it's the "religion of peace" we're talking about...

 

[Skeptic]

Your philosophy is disgusting -- it renders the lives of Others worthless.

No, it renders the lives of enemies who are trying to kill you in any way the can worthless as far as you're concerned.

Thank God the US Army, for instance, didn't follow your humane, moral advice; otherwise Europe would still have been under Nazi or Soviet rule.

 

[RandFan]

It is possible to tell what someones race is solely by their DNA.

Individuals who are separated will develop markers. That Native Americans, Asians or Aborigines have certain unique genetic markers doesn't prove race anymore than the ability to tell what family a person comes from makes that family line a separate race. I'm afraid you will have to do much better than that. Also, you will have to rebut the arguments I've made and you will have to explain why there are no characteristics, no traits, not even one gene that turns up in all members of one so-called race yet is absent from others.

That's a pretty powerful argument against the concept of race.

Oh, and define what it is you mean by "race"? If it's some slippery concept to mean whatever you want it to mean then what's the point?

 

[XenonII]

Stating it is a fact doesn't make it a fact. This is a skeptics forum. We deal in evidence.

One more time. There is as much variation within groups as there is between groups.

Ad hominem. This is a fallacy. You don't address the arguments made nor the evidence that comes from many different sources.

More ad hominem. This isn't argument. It isn't evidence. is not evidence either.

I will address the evidence provided by "Race: The Power of an Illusion" in due course. Stating something is not a fact does not make it not a fact, and despite liberals best attempts to supress and discredit the evidence, there is still TONS of evidence that Race exists. There is no evidence that race doesn't exist, only propaganda, and you would need to be blind to not be able to see the plain and obvious fact that race clearly exists.

And it is true that races are very diverse. Look at the White race for example, it is so diverse that it can be further divided into 3 subraces: Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean. The White race must be the most diverse race on the planet. Other races however are not as diverse and diversity within races is no argument in favor of race denial.

This is a skeptics forum and I'm very skeptic of race denial.

 

[RandFan]

I will address the evidence provided by "Race: The Power of an Illusion" in due course.

Then stop yapping and address it. Sheesh.

Stating something is not a fact does not make it not a fact

I didn't simply state that it's not a fact. I presented evidence. Facts.

...and despite liberals best attempts to supress and discredit the evidence, there is still TONS of evidence that Race exists. There is no evidence that race doesn't exist, only propaganda, and you would need to be blind to not be able to see the plain and obvious fact that race clearly exists.

More damn gum flapping and words. I don't know how I can be more clear. Your rhetoric is not evidence. It's not reasoned argument. Hell, it's fallacy. You are arguing ad hominem.

And it is true that races are very diverse. Look at the White race for example, it is so diverse that it can be further divided into 3 subraces: Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean.

Which is to say nothing. The facts still remain:

• There is as much variation within Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean groups as there are between them.
• There are no characteristics, no traits, not even one gene that turns up in all members of Nordic, Alpine and Mediterranean groups yet is absent from the others.

Until you deal with those and the many other facts you are simply flapping your gums. Spare us the rhetoric and ad hominem. Get back to us when you've got evidence.

 

[DC]

It was posted at FreeRepublic.com.

Thanks for confirming my prejudice about you.

i see the British Penal colony is still alive.....

Must be a nice genepool, made of only best white genes.

 

[gtc]

This is off topic and I expect it to get sent somewhere else. However, I believe people of (recent) African origin have the most genetic diversity. I believe this is consistent with the out of Africa theory.

 

[gtc]

I really think you should start a thread on this as I think you are definitely onto something. Even some subgroups of australians are infinitely superior to other.

Certainly those people from states that weren't started as penal colonies aren't true Australians.

However, I love the idea that a true Australian is the descendant of criminals.

 

[FireGarden]

They may think so but what they think is not the sole determinant of morality.

Israel is not deliberately targetting civillians - it is attacking military targets with the knowledge that this may lead to civillian deaths. For the most part, Hamas is attacking civillian targets with the hope of killing civillians. That is an important difference.

No. Hamas is attacking civilians in the hope that it will bring about political change. That is terrorism and criminal.

Why do you have to pretend their goal is killing civilians? Do you not think that terrorism is bad enough?

 

[gtc]

Political change is indeed one of the reasons why Hamas wants to kill Israeli civillians. They also seem to believe that their religion calls them to kill Israeli civillians.

They want to kill civillians. Knowing the reasons why they want to kill civillians doesn't change that.