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Pilots For 9/11 Truth Present Their Math
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TheLoneBedouin
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To illustrate where the plane would have impacted.
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You might want to have a look again
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Cl1mh4224rd
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So you drew an impossible turn?
He also said it was parallel to the FOB and above his head while he was in the parking lot. How does that work with your fantasy again?
And that's cute, Craig. Are you stalking me? I don't do drugs nearly as much as I used to but I make no secret about my drug use. I've even talked about it here before. Funny thing is I can think better on ten hits of acid than you can normally. I am not even joking. And no, acid doesn't cause any long term effects unless you really heavily abuse it which I never did.
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UnLovedRebel,
A line directly parallel with the FOB impacts the corner of the Pentagon. "A minor right turn" would place the impact at the wrong wedge.
How is that "extremely close" to the official story?
Instead of putting smilies in your posts, try having something of substance to say. Now, look at flight path again. How close is it to the Citgo compared to the "official story"? ¿Comprendes guey?
If the plane's tail went to the right, which direction would the plane go?
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That flightpath isn't parallel with the outer edge of the FOB.
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UnlovedRebel,
How is an impact into the wrong wedge "extremely close" to the official story?
How is an impact into the wrong wedge "extremely close" to the official story?
Come on, keep up! Every single one of them was fooled by the explosion which Craig no longer believes even lines up with the "flyover jet"/and or fooled by into believing the "flyover jet" was actually the "second jet" described by "deceptive media reports." It all makes perfect sense!
Craig, doesn't it suck that some loser kid who likes to do acid and is currently drunk can think more coherently than you? If it wasn't a waste of a trip, I would come here tomorrow on a bunch of acid, argue with you and see who makes more sense.
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Everyone, keep the posts civil, and do not attack each other please.
And for the nth time, DO NOT MAKE SOCK PUPPET ACCUSATIONS IN THREADS. If you have evidence, report it to the mod team. Any further accusations of sockpuppetry in either this thread or the SoC one will invite further mod action for rule 12.
And for the nth time, DO NOT MAKE SOCK PUPPET ACCUSATIONS IN THREADS. If you have evidence, report it to the mod team. Any further accusations of sockpuppetry in either this thread or the SoC one will invite further mod action for rule 12.
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jhunter1163
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It looks to me like Morin's path is pretty close to being right. Maybe one degree to the north or so would put it right on the impact point.
As I said before, Morin is a trained observer. It shouldn't be that surprising that he gave an accurate description of what he saw all the way in.
Regarding the second interview with Morin, let me try a simile. I claim that I was on Jeopardy. A skeptic says, "I want to see the tape." I say, "Well, I have a tape, but my ex-wife has it and I can't show it to you." In the absence of any other evidence, do you believe I was on Jeopardy?
As I said before, Morin is a trained observer. It shouldn't be that surprising that he gave an accurate description of what he saw all the way in.
Regarding the second interview with Morin, let me try a simile. I claim that I was on Jeopardy. A skeptic says, "I want to see the tape." I say, "Well, I have a tape, but my ex-wife has it and I can't show it to you." In the absence of any other evidence, do you believe I was on Jeopardy?
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Originally Posted by TheLoneBedouin
Uh... do you realize the above image shows Morin's flightpath (in blue) impacting the wrong wedge?
Sweet Jesus, I shot milk through my nose while reading this.
jaydeehess
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UnLovedRebel,
A line directly parallel with the FOB impacts the corner of the Pentagon. "A minor right turn" would place the impact at the wrong wedge.
How is that "extremely close" to the official story?
Incredible!!
You agree with CiT/PfT completely discounting Morin's statement about his being ten steps beyond the south extreme of the Annex and his description of the plane being over the outer edge of the Annex and his statement that it was running parallel to the Annex but you absolutly accept his description of the direction the plane went during the portion of the flight in which he states that all he could see was the upper part of the vert. stabilizer and use that portion of his account to determine what part of the Pentagon it encountered.
Morin says the plane was it was 30-50 feet above the FOB. That does not neccessarily mean directly over the FOb but rather 30-50 higher than the FOB. He does say that it was "essentially" right over top of him AND the outer portion of the building AND that he was several steps out from the outer edge of the building heading for the security office, so "essentially right over top" would place the aircraft 30-50 feet higher than the building and over the edge of the building.
Furthermore CiT/PfT state that there need not be any 'pull up' because if it flew 30 feet above the Annex that would aloow it to be 100 over the Pentagon. Once again you now completely discount Morin but now it concerns the part during which he states that all he could see was the vert. stabilizer as it approached the Pentagon.
Finnaly if Morin was where CiT/PfT now place him then he would have been able to see the a/c only for a split second as it passed over him and he viewed it through the space between two wings of the Annex. morin however states he watched it clear the entire structure and did not lose it until it was below his line of sight.
Fact is then the only part of Morin's statement that CiT/PfT do not twist out of shape or completely ignore is that he saw a plane
It is similar to Craig's taking Turcois' saying that the plane went below his line of sight past the embankment and then, when he says that he did not see the actual impact, that the plane was "still obscured,,, all I saw was the fireball", Craig interprets this as Turcois saying that the fireball,obscured his view of impact. Except in this case CiT/PfT have completely re-written or ignored Morin's statement from beginning to end.
It is similar to CiT seeing Paik indicate where he saw the plane, hearing him describe that the plane was near the tower and then when presented with an aerial view showing the his loaction and Annex (a building not visible from where Paik was standing when he saw the plane) and Paik then drawing a path that does not agree with his description on the scene, they choose to use the drawing as gospel.
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Over at P4T, Balsamo and crew are completely flummoxed and are reduced to just hurling insults at us. They don't dissemble well.
And they still can't come up with any eyewitnesses to a flyover after seven whole years.
Amazing.
They talk about a path that does not exist. A non-path and no theory, but they do spew paranoid rhetoric about the government, the FAA, the NTSB, and the military. Poor ATP-less Balsamo is badmouthing the FAA who permits him to fly.
Do they have a fantasy path because Balsamo is frustrated Hani was flying left seat heavy jet, even I was flying left seat heavy jets in my twenties, and Balsamo is over the hill now never flew left seat heavy jets. The terrorist he apologizes for flew left seat and hit the Pentagon, something Balsamo has claimed he can’t accomplish in the safety of a simulator.
2nd Lt Beachnut, Flight-tested to 7.33 Gs, in 1975, and the kid Lt in this picture used Kodachrome, Balsamo believes color film was invented after 1975; like most of his ideas, bogus. Yes, Balsamo used a jump jet in his video of stupid non-path and math supporting his fantasy non-path, no theory video.
Paths, I choose a path and planned for it from 1969, and in 1973 my path was flying hundreds of sorties to gain knowledge in flying spanning the years to the present. The NoC is the wrong path supported by people who mock knowledge, science, and the truth. p4t mangling the truth for years using truth to hide their anti-intellectual tripe and implied lies. Some paths are hard to complete, but it was a great experience flying all over the world and being a pilot, it was an honor that p4t pilots fail to live up to.
Too lazy to redo their own web site, they have 11.2 G failed physics posted. After learning math for the first time, they apply the numbers to paths that never happened. Failure as usual at p4t after learning some math, they screw up and apply it to the wrong path.
Paik and Morin confirming the “official” flight path, p4t fail to understand. The p4t cult has had 7 years and failed to gain the knowledge to understand 9/11.
Open loop truth, posting 11.2 Gs, saying they corrected it, but leaving it posted since March. Now they use math with caution, but on the wrong path. They offer fantasy paths they conjured up misusing testimony 5 to 6 years after the event, and ignoring other testimony from 2001, and the thousands of pieces of physical evidence.
Did they publish their math non-path in document format anywhere?
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p4t terrorist apologists are stuck with fantasy flight path complete with 56 degree of fantasy bank. Not supported by facts or evidence; the fantasy flight path misses the lampposts seen knocked down by witnesses the truth movement ignores out of ignorance....
What are the odds that every single PfffT yahoo that's been here managed to get banned before they could post a single claim of the CIT flight path? Yeah, we're scared of ya Cap'n Bob... because of math you can't produce!
Terrorist apologist Balsamo, and drank the Kool-Aid p4t cult members have failed to slow down Flight 77. What speeds do they want as Flight 77 screams by at over 460 knots past Morin.
Does Balsamo says 460 knots is cherry picked? A speed supported by RADAR data, and the FDR is cherry picked? A dolt idea not to be outdone; Turbofan comes up with 200 to 250 knots as his fantasy speed for 77; why not pick a slow speed for a heavy Boeing jet which loves to fly at 300 knots normally. Turbofan speed is right for after takeoff to 10,000 feet. Balsamo is searching for speeds that did not exist. Stuck with 56 degree of bank, impossible because 77 never went over 10 degrees of bank in the last seconds. Did they include slower speeds due to ignorance?
If they would use the RADAR data, close to the final seconds, they would see Balsamo ideas fail, his implied lies of NoC, other no theories he can’t say (due to some thing about not being able to read and comprehend the evidence and make rational conclusions) are total junk.
At 9:37:16 Flight 77 is at 313 knots as the terrorist finish pushing up the throttles to FULL THROTTLE. Speed at impact may be as high as 485-knots/560 mph.
One not too smart p4t cult member is calculating speeds before the terrorist selected FULL THROTTLE.
Terrorist selected Full Throttle and accelerated to 313 knots, 21 seconds before the data stops in the FDR. The speed increases 150 knots in 21 seconds to 463 knots.
The terrorist apologist have to get the last radar points to figure out the speed; and that data was collected by 911files, and it confirms the speed in the FDR, and can be used to figure out the approximate number of seconds to impact when the FDR information stops.
How can the p4t cult ignore evidence and mindlessly support the failed investigators, CIT, and the ATP-less pilot, terrorist loyalist Balsamo, who sells implications of lies on DVD? Trying to use math, and apply it to idiotic flight paths and nut case ideas. That is stupid.
Not one pilot at p4t has a reason a 757 can’t fly 463 knots for a few seconds as it impacts the Pentagon. Where are all those no theory experts when you need them? Is that an oxymoron? No theory experts, or experts with no theories. Does that sell DVDs, no theories and non-paths, a big fraud from someone who can’t commit to any theory after tons of evidence is in and in the public domain?
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