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Hafrada is worse than Apartheid

WildCat said:
Which is why the comparison to apartheid makes no sense. Apartheid laws were made to marginalize actual citizens of S. Africa.
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WildCat said:
No, it's not even comparable.
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It's also futile, kind of like those threads about pirates and ninjas.

poster 1: Ninjas are much deadlier than pirates man!

poster 2: No way, pirates rule man, Arrrrrh!

poster 3 : Who gives a ****?
 
#1. The Israeli govt. basically rules the West Bank. They expand settlements, destroy Arab homes, and confiscate land at will. The Palestinians, though they live in the West Bank and are the one's who's homes are destroyed and land is confiscated, CANNOT vote in Israeli elections. That is Apartheid.

#2. Israel refuses to approve ANY building permits for Palestinians. Therefore, they legally cannot build a thing, and anything they do build, can be immediately destroyed by Israel. Not only does Israel approve any and all Israeli building permits, but they allow Israeli structures without a permit to exist for years on end. Again, even though they are directly affected by this policy, they have no ability to change it, since they cant vote in Israeli elections. This is Apartheid.

#3. Israel regularly builds and updates roads, sewers, water lines, power lines, cable lines, etc...for Israeli citizens in the West Bank. They do NONE of this..for Palestinians. Again, the Palestinians have no control over this, since they cant vote. This is Apartheid.

#4. Israel has built and is building huge walls and fences that completely separate Palestinians from their farms and lands. The route of these fences and walls ONLY inconvenience Palestinians...never Israelis. This is Apartheid.

These are facts that CANNOT be denied or refuted. Only can only make excuses or justify them.

Hafrada...... is Seperation...is Apartheid.


p.s...the next time someone is stupid enough to call me a right-wing Zionist..I'm gonna &%$# his #$%.
 
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parky76 said:
I think if an Imman tried to marry a Muslim and a Jew in Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, or Libya, he would be shot dead.
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Islamic law permits a Muslim man to marry a female Jew or Christian, but not vice-versa. The Jewish or Christian woman also has to be an actual adherent to her religion, in accordance with her status as a "Person of the Book", not just culturally affiliated, and she can't have previously converted from Islam (which in itself is haraam). The implications of this are pretty obvious.

I'm not sure to what extent Sharia is codified into the civil laws of each of those countries, however. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and the fully Muslim-controlled half of Sudan certainly enforce this restriction, but I'm not sure of the others. Syria and Lebanon in particular have quite secular governments, and there are liberal segments of those societies where intermarriages often occur, even in violation of Sharia. This might also be true of parts of Egypt and Jordan and even Iraq (such as Kurdistan).
 
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parky76 said:
#1. The Israeli govt. basically rules the West Bank. They expand settlements, destroy Arab homes, and confiscate land at will. The Palestinians, though they live in the West Bank and are the one's who's homes are destroyed and land is confiscated, CANNOT vote in Israeli elections. That is Apartheid.

#2. Israel refuses to approve ANY building permits for Palestinians. Therefore, they legally cannot build a thing, and anything they do build, can be immediately destroyed by Israel. Not only does Israel approve any and all Israeli building permits, but they allow Israeli structures without a permit to exist for years on end. Again, even though they are directly affected by this policy, they have no ability to change it, since they cant vote in Israeli elections. This is Apartheid.

#3. Israel regularly builds and updates roads, sewers, water lines, power lines, cable lines, etc...for Israeli citizens in the West Bank. They do NONE of this..for Palestinians. Again, the Palestinians have no control over this, since they cant vote. This is Apartheid.

#4. Israel has built and is building huge walls and fences that completely separate Palestinians from their farms and lands. The route of these fences and walls ONLY inconvenience Palestinians...never Israelis. This is Apartheid.

These are facts that CANNOT be denied or refuted. Only can only make excuses or justify them.

Hafrada...... is Seperation...is Apartheid.


p.s...the next time someone is stupid enough to call me a right-wing Zionist..I'm gonna &%$# his #$%.
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You miss one important point. Israel has never ever annexed the West Bank as a part of Israel. That fact alone makes your "lack of voting rights" a moot point. West Bank Palestinians have full suffrage within their OWN elected government. So the fences are there just for the hell of it and to "inconvenience the Palestinians? Is that what you really feel?
 
Skeptic said:
...and unless those who want to settle are Jews. Oh wait, if the Jews settle somewhere, it is automatically "illegal and immoral". Problem solved!
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when it is outside of theyr country, yes it is illegal and immoral.
i guess you would also dislike Iranian settlements inside Israel. or not?
 
Texas said:
You miss one important point. Israel has never ever annexed the West Bank as a part of Israel. That fact alone makes your "lack of voting rights" a moot point. West Bank Palestinians have full suffrage within their OWN elected government. So the fences are there just for the hell of it and to "inconvenience the Palestinians? Is that what you really feel?
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If the West Bank is not part of Israel, then what are all the settlements doing their, the checkpoints, and the why were the settlements subsidised by the Israeli Govt?
 
a_unique_person said:
If the West Bank is not part of Israel, then what are all the settlements doing their, the checkpoints, and the why were the settlements subsidised by the Israeli Govt?
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Spoils of war. Take it up with Jordan and the Arab League.
 
Oh, but spoils of war are not allowed to Jews. They're only allowed to Arabs when they ethnically cleanse Jews, as they did in the Old City of Jerusalem or in Hebron, to name a few places, in 1948. AUP & co. constantly point out that these are, ever since the ethnic cleansing of the Jews, "Arab Cities", and, therefore, Jews living there is "illegal occupation".

They talk a lot about the "right" of people to live where they want. But for them that "right" is completely one-directional: Arabs may live anywhere they wish, but Jews must only live where the Arabs (temporarily) allow them. That is why they support, not a Palestinian state per se, but a Judenrein one. No "illegal" Jewish presence would be tolerated.
 
Skeptic said:
Oh, but spoils of war are not allowed to Jews. They're only allowed to Arabs when they ethnically cleanse Jews, as they did in the Old City of Jerusalem or in Hebron, to name a few places, in 1948. AUP & co. constantly point out that these are, ever since the ethnic cleansing of the Jews, "Arab Cities", and, therefore, Jews living there is "illegal occupation".

They talk a lot about the "right" of people to live where they want. But for them that "right" is completely one-directional: Arabs may live anywhere they wish, but Jews must only live where the Arabs (temporarily) allow them. That is why they support, not a Palestinian state per se, but a Judenrein one. No "illegal" Jewish presence would be tolerated.
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Do Israeli settlers have voting rights in PA elections? If not that is a clear cut case of Apartheid.
 
Skeptic said:
Oh, but spoils of war are not allowed to Jews. They're only allowed to Arabs when they ethnically cleanse Jews, as they did in the Old City of Jerusalem or in Hebron, to name a few places, in 1948. AUP & co. constantly point out that these are, ever since the ethnic cleansing of the Jews, "Arab Cities", and, therefore, Jews living there is "illegal occupation".

They talk a lot about the "right" of people to live where they want. But for them that "right" is completely one-directional: Arabs may live anywhere they wish, but Jews must only live where the Arabs (temporarily) allow them. That is why they support, not a Palestinian state per se, but a Judenrein one. No "illegal" Jewish presence would be tolerated.
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ones the palestinian state is created, will the settlers outside Israel accpet their new Palestinian Passports?
 
Skeptic said:
Oh, but spoils of war are not allowed to Jews. They're only allowed to Arabs when they ethnically cleanse Jews, as they did in the Old City of Jerusalem or in Hebron, to name a few places, in 1948. AUP & co. constantly point out that these are, ever since the ethnic cleansing of the Jews, "Arab Cities", and, therefore, Jews living there is "illegal occupation".

They talk a lot about the "right" of people to live where they want. But for them that "right" is completely one-directional: Arabs may live anywhere they wish, but Jews must only live where the Arabs (temporarily) allow them. That is why they support, not a Palestinian state per se, but a Judenrein one. No "illegal" Jewish presence would be tolerated.
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to get it Judenrein also no legal jewish presence would be tolerated.
 
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