Merged What knocked over the lightpoles, if not AA77?

[TheLoneBedouin]

Plus real nice how on your image you edit out the part where he qualifies his statement (assuming the quote really came from Lagasse):

"granted at the speed it was traveling I cant be 100% sure of exactly where on the poles."

That means that he was merely deducing that it hit the poles. This qualifier added with his ADMISSION on camera that he did not and could not see the plane hit the poles proves it.

Of course we all know that it would be impossible for the plane that he and everyone else saw to hit the poles because it was on the north side of the station.

 

[dtugg]

Hey Craig, how many people do you think saw this go down and how many people are included in your "evidence"? And which do you think is more accurate, eyewitness testimony two years after the fact or five years after the fact? Also, do any of your witnesses agree with your fantasy? After all it is impossible for the plane to knock down the lightpoles and hit the Pentagon while flying the NoC path.

 

[Baylor]

Same tired old nonsense.

Everytime TLB says "corroborated", Sir Karl Popper rolls over in his grave.

 

[twinstead]

We might as well be debating one of those wild-eyed, bearded old men on any street corner of any major city staring off into space and yelling at the top of his lungs that we're all going to hell and the world is ending soon.

 

[JimBenArm]

We might as well be debating one of those wild-eyed, bearded old men on any street corner of any major city staring off into space and yelling at the top of his lungs that we're all going to hell and the world is ending soon.

I thought that's what we were doing...

 

[bje]

Furthermore we know that their placement of the plane on the north side is corroborated by......

Robert Turcios
Sean Boger
Darrell Stafford
Donald Carter
Darius Prather
William Middleton
George Aman
Maria De La Cerda
Terry Morin
Ed Paik
& Levi Stephens

What we know is that none of them ever saw any jet fly over the Pentagon and all believed or stated that a jet hit the Pentagon.

In addition, we know that there are no eyewitnesses who ever stated they saw any aircraft fly over the Pentagon low and fast as you all claim.

So, as always, you have absolutely no point.

 

[BCR]

Furthermore we know that their placement of the plane on the north side is corroborated by......

Robert Turcios
Sean Boger
Darrell Stafford
Donald Carter
Darius Prather
William Middleton
George Aman
Maria De La Cerda
Terry Morin
Ed Paik
& Levi Stephens

Robert Turcios - Was not where he said he was
Sean Boger - looking down on plane as it crossed road, watched it hit the Pentagon
Darrell Stafford - saw plane south of ANC
Donald Carter - saw plane south of ANC
Darius Prather - saw plane south of ANC
William Middleton - saw plane south of ANC
George Aman - saw plane south of ANC
Maria De La Cerda - saw plane south of ANC
Terry Morin - saw plane over Columbia Pike
Ed Paik - saw plane over Columbia Pike
& Levi Stephens - saw plane south of ANC

Yep, no debate here.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Why are people still debating CITPFT-supporters?

Probably for the same reason people here still respond to Heiwa's painfully obvious insanity. I have no idea what that reason could possibly be, but I'm sure it's the same...

 

[JimBenArm]

Why are people still debating CITPFT-supporters?

Well, have you ever had your CITPFT sag? Have you ever seen someone with theirs sagging, dragging on the ground in back of them like a pathetic sack of rutabegas?

That's why I myself am in favor of them.

 

[Alt+F4]

Why are people still debating CITPFT-supporters? .

This is why...


Paul Wesley Ambrose, AA Flight 77
Craig S. Amundson, Pentagon
Melissa Rose Barnes, Pentagon
Max Beilke, Pentagon
Yemen Betru, AA Flight 77
Kris Romeo Bishundat, Pentagon
Carrie Blagburn, Pentagon
Canfield D. Boone, Pentagon
Mary Jane Booth, AA Flight 77
Donna Bowen, Pentagon
Allen Boyle, Pentagon
Bernard Brown, AA Flight 77
Christopher Lee Burford, Pentagon
Charles Burlingame, AA Flight 77
Daniel Martin Caballero, Pentagon
Jose Orlando Calderon, Pentagon
Suzanne Calley, AA Flight 77
Angelene C. Carter, Pentagon
Sharon S. Carver, Pentagon
William Caswell, AA Flight 77
John Chada, Pentagon
Rosemary Chapa, Pentagon
David Charlebois, AA Flight 77
Sarah M. Clark, AA Flight 77
Julian Cooper, Pentagon
Asia Cottom, AA Flight 77
Eric Allen Cranford, Pentagon
Ada Davis, Pentagon
James Debeuneure, AA Flight 77
Gerald F. DeConto, Pentagon
Rodney Dickens, AA Flight 77
Jerry D. Dickerson, Pentagon
Eddie Dillard, AA Flight 77
Johnnie Doctor Jr., Pentagon
Cmdr. Robert Edward Dolan, Pentagon
William Howard Donovan Jr., Pentagon
Charles Droz, AA Flight 77
Patrick Dunn, Pentagon
Edward Thomas Earhart, Pentagon
Barbara G. Edwards, AA Flight 77
Robert Randolph Elseth, Pentagon
Charles S. Falkenberg, AA Flight 77
Dana Falkenberg, AA Flight 77
Zoe Falkenberg, AA Flight 77
Jamie Lynn Fallon, Pentagon
James Joe Ferguson, AA Flight 77
Amelia Fields, Pentagon
Gerald P. Fisher, Pentagon
Darlene 'Dee' Flagg, AA Flight 77
Wilson 'Bud' Flagg, AA Flight 77
Matthew Flocco, Pentagon
Sandra Foster, Pentagon
Richard Gabriel, AA Flight 77
Capt. Lawrence D. Getzfred, Pentagon
Cortz Ghee, Pentagon
Brenda C. Gibson, Pentagon
Ron Golinski, Pentagon
Ian J. Gray, AA Flight 77
Diane Hale-McKinzy, Pentagon
Stanley Hall, AA Flight 77
Carolyn Halmon, Pentagon
Michelle Heidenberger, AA Flight 77
Sheila Hein, Pentagon
Ronald John Hemenway, Pentagon
Maj. Wallace C. Hogan Jr., Pentagon
Jimmie Ira Holley, Pentagon
Angela Houtz, Pentagon
Brady Kay Howell, Pentagon
Peggie Hurt, Pentagon
Lt. Col. Stephen Neil Hyland Jr., Pentagon
Robert Hymel, Pentagon
Sgt. Maj. Lacey Ivory, Pentagon
Bryan C. Jack, AA Flight 77
Steven D. 'Jake' Jacoby, AA Flight 77
Lt. Col. Dennis Johnson, Pentagon
Judith Jones, Pentagon
Ann Judge, AA Flight 77
Brenda Kegler, Pentagon
Chandler Keller, AA Flight 77
Yvonne Kennedy, AA Flight 77
Norma Khan, AA Flight 77
Karen A. Kincaid, AA Flight 77
Michael 'Scott' Lamana, Pentagon
David Laychak, Pentagon
Dong C. Lee, AA Flight 77
Jennifer Lewis, AA Flight 77
Kenneth Lewis, AA Flight 77
Samantha Lightbourn-Allen, Pentagon
Stephen Vernon Long, Pentagon
James T. Lynch, Pentagon
Terence Michael Lynch, Pentagon
Nehamon Lyons IV, Pentagon
Shelley Marshall, Pentagon
Teresa Martin, Pentagon
Ada Mason, Pentagon
Dean Mattson, Pentagon
Lt. Gen. Timothy Maude, Pentagon
Robert Maxwell, Pentagon
Renee A. May, AA Flight 77
Molly McKenzie, Pentagon
Dora Menchaca, AA Flight 77
Patricia E. (Patti) Mickley, Pentagon
Maj. Ronald D. Milam, Pentagon
Gerard P. 'Jerry' Moran, Pentagon
Odessa V. Morris, Pentagon
Brian Anthony Moss, Pentagon
Teddington Hamm Moy, Pentagon
Patrick Jude Murphy, Pentagon
Christopher C. Newton, AA Flight 77
Khang Nguyen, Pentagon
Michael Allen Noeth, Pentagon
Barbara K. Olson, AA Flight 77
Ruben Ornedo, AA Flight 77
Diana Padro, Pentagon
Chin Sun Pak, Pentagon
Jonas Martin Panik, Pentagon
Clifford Patterson, Pentagon
Robert Penniger, AA Flight 77
Robert R. Ploger III, AA Flight 77
Zandra Cooper Ploger, AA Flight 77
Lt. J.G. Darin H. Pontell, Pentagon
Scott Powell, Pentagon
Jack Punches, Pentagon
Joseph John Pycior Jr., Pentagon
Lisa Raines, AA Flight 77
Deborah A. Ramsaur, Pentagon
Rhonda Sue Ridge Rasmussen, Pentagon
Marsha D. Ratchford, Pentagon
Martha Reszke, Pentagon
Todd Reuben, AA Flight 77
Cecelia E. Richard, Pentagon
Edward Veld Rowenhorst, Pentagon
Judy Rowlett, Pentagon
Robert E. Russell, Pentagon
William Ruth, Pentagon
Charles E. Sabin, Pentagon
Marjorie C. Salamone, Pentagon
John Sammartino, AA Flight 77
Lt. Col. Dave Scales, Pentagon
Cmdr. Robert A. Schlegel, Pentagon
Janice M. Scott, Pentagon
Michael L. Selves, Pentagon
Marian H. Serva, Pentagon
Cmdr. Daniel F. Shanower, Pentagon
Antionette Sherman, Pentagon
Diane Simmons, AA Flight 77
Don Simmons, Pentagon
George Simmons, AA Flight 77
Cheryle Sincock, Pentagon
Gregg Harold Smallwood, Pentagon
Lt. Col. Gary Smith, Pentagon
Mari-Rae Sopper, AA Flight 77
Robert Speisman, AA Flight 77
Pat Statz, Pentagon
Edna L. Stephens, Pentagon
Norma Lang Steuerle, AA Flight 77
Sgt. Maj. Larry Strickland, Pentagon
Hilda E. Taylor, AA Flight 77
Kip Paul Taylor, Pentagon
Leonard Taylor, AA Flight 77
Sandra Taylor, Pentagon
Sandra D. Teague, AA Flight 77
Karl W. Teepe, Pentagon
Sgt. Tamara Thurman, Pentagon
Otis Vincent Tolbert, Pentagon
Willie Q. Troy, Pentagon
Lt. Cmdr. Ronald J. Vauk, Pentagon
Karen J. Wagner, Pentagon
Meta Waller, Pentagon
Sandra White, Pentagon
Staff Sgt. Maudlyn White, Pentagon
Leslie A. Whittington, AA Flight 77
Ernest M. Willcher, Pentagon
David L. Williams, Pentagon
Maj. Dwayne Williams, Pentagon
Marvin Roger Woods, Pentagon
John D. Yamnicky Sr., AA Flight 77
Vicki Yancey, AA Flight 77
Shuyin Yang, AA Flight 77
Kevin Wayne Yokum, Pentagon
Donald McArthur Young, Pentagon
Edmond Young, Pentagon
Lisa Young, Pentagon
Yuguang Zheng, AA Flight 77

 

[Bobert]

Why, oh why, are there 3 different CIT/PFT related threads in the top 3 of this board, with each of them having multiple pages?

Why are people still debating CITPFT-supporters? Does someone seriously think them or us would ever change our positions about these subjects?

This is like a perpetual-motion machine.

They are desperate.
Craig barely gets ANY ATTENTION over at the LCF or even at his own pet forum.
He is constantly laughed at by the real world.
He no longer even seems interested in bringing his evidence of mass murder to the authorities and/or media

The fact that the media and authorities are reluctant to even entertain evidence of a world wide psychological war crime that has permanently altered global politics and world [COLOR=#D0D060 ! important][COLOR=#D0D060 ! important]history[/COLOR][/COLOR]
implicating the very people that employ them shouldn't be surprising.

We aren't fooling ourselves here and we don't think a crime of this nature can easily be exposed by a [COLOR=#D0D060 ! important][COLOR=#D0D060 ! important]couple[/COLOR][/COLOR]
of citizen investigators with no money.

 

[chillzero]

Guys, the topic is the lightpoles... not CIT. Please... gimme a break for just one day.

 

[Bell]

Guys, the topic is the lightpoles... not CIT. Please... gimme a break for just one day.

Didn't you have a day off at christmas just last week?

 

[chillzero]

ah yes - of course, silly me.

Still... please stay on topic.... pretty please?

 

[Crazytimes]

Plus real nice how on your image you edit out the part where he qualifies his statement (assuming the quote really came from Lagasse):

"granted at the speed it was traveling I cant be 100% sure of exactly where on the poles."

That means that he was merely deducing that it hit the poles. This qualifier added with his ADMISSION on camera that he did not and could not see the plane hit the poles proves it.

Of course we all know that it would be impossible for the plane that he and everyone else saw to hit the poles because it was on the north side of the station.

It is amazing to me that someone who can read, looks at this quote

"granted at the speed it was traveling I cant be 100% sure of exactly where on the poles."

and can say with a straight face "could not see the plane hit the poles"

 

[twinstead]

Yes. Even to me, a barely-literate semi beer drinker, that quote obviously suggests that he can't deduce where on the poles it hit, not IF it hit.

 

[beachnut]

...
Furthermore we know that their placement of the plane on the north side is corroborated by......

Sean Boger
...
Terry Morin
Ed Paik
...
There is no debate here. You are clutching at straws and you know it.

You don't even have a valid source for your claims.

Sean Boger saw 77 hit the Pentagon with his eyes! Funny, you posted people who prove you to be spreading lies. Why do you repeat lies for Balsamo who can't even create a single theory on 9/11 due to his complete incompetence in flying procedures and techniques? (proof 11.2 G is still posted, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. “’280% x 4.0 G's = 11.2 G's needed to arrest descent”” special dolt math from Balsamo)

Sean Boger 11/16/01 - ATC and Pentagon tower chief in the Pentagon control tower "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building. It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building."

You are busted! Why do you post lies?
Terry Morin, oops, this is the problem with Balsamo and CI²T, they have no clue when it comes to math, physics, or geometry terms like parallel.

Terry Morin 9/01 - Former USMC aviator outside the Navy Annex “(flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB).”

Darn, p4t have no clue when you say parallel to the other edge. But even kinds in 3rd grade know what parallel means and they thus make you a liar by proving 77 was south of the gas station. Busted again with your own self-debunking post. Irony …

Ed Paik shows the flight path along the Pike to the exact point where 77 hit the lamppost; watch this clip of Paik making your lies evaporate with his pointing while looking. BTW, Paik says 77 almost hit that tower behind him, thus proving the SOUTH flight path by word and by action. BTW, the FDR confirms Paik, Morin, and Boger! You don't use witnesses to confirm physical evidence; you use physical evidence to confirm witnesses. There is no doubt the FDR is correct except to the morons CIT and p4t and their cult members and duped members over 80 years old, it has all the 25 hours of flying by Flight 77 and thus confirms the FDR was working, and you can see all the data from the prior flights on the FDR information. The p4t liars have the data, they are cherry picking items and hope there are fools who can't figure it out and those fools will fall for Balsamo's implications of lies and dirt dumb stupid ideas as Balsamo apologizes for terrorist as if he was one himself. But he is only dumb on flying topics and has no clue what happen on 9/11 due to complete ignorance on a broad range of topics; the only thing Balsamo terrorizes is physics.

I will give you a big clue, or tip, stop using the witnesses that prove the south flight path and Pentagon impact by Flight 77, and I would check with a real FDR expert so he can explain Balsamo is making lies about the FDR. Please drop Paik, Boger and Morin, they prove 77 impacted the Pentagon on the south flight path confirmed by the FDR. If you had evidence you would have a Pulitzer Prize; but you only have junk.

7 years, and the best debunkers are 9/11 truth; self-debunking since 11 September 2001. Keep up the great work terrorist apologists!

These witnesses you presented make it hard to blame the lamppost on the CIA/FBI/USAF/DoD/et al, because you have proven the south flight path of Flight 77 which did the lamppost in.

But what did these witnesses say did the lampposts? Oops, they all say Flight 77. Darn, self-debunking cult p4t and CIT.

 

[Shalamar]

*sigh*

HOW many times do I have to say this?

The lightpoles were brought down by rogue Canadian Lumberjacks. No-one saw them, because there are no lumberjacks in DC, therefor epople would have ignored them ssince they didn't belong.

This also proves that the Canadian Government was involved in 9/11!

It has to ibe true because I believe it!

How could you all be so BLIND?



[sings]
I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok...
[/sings]

 

[bje]

*sigh*

HOW many times do I have to say this?

The lightpoles were brought down by rogue Canadian Lumberjacks. No-one saw them, because there are no lumberjacks in DC, therefor epople would have ignored them ssince they didn't belong.

This also proves that the Canadian Government was involved in 9/11!

Aha! More evidence of Canadian Government involvement. That just confirms previous investigations:

"However, unable to attribute any specific motive to Sweden, our attention was directed against the only country that did have a clear and obvious reason to stage an attack on the United States in precisely this manner: Canada.

"Means, motive, and opportunity. Canada was very nearby, and could easily infiltrate operatives across the border. Their efficient state apparatus was much better equipped to pull off an operation of this magnitude than a group of terrorists half a world away. But what's more, it has long been known that Canada suffers under a debilitating inferiority complex, one that could easily have led to a virulent hostility against the very targets that were attacked on September 11."

http://www.revisionism.nl/Sept11/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

Darn Canucks! Even their beer is wimpy.

 

[Shalamar]

Hah! That proves it!

Its the evil Canadians, eh!

Lumberjacks in DC, and they must have brought down the WTC with that corrosive substance.. poutine! (mmmm... Poutine...)

See? See? That Proves it!!!!!!!!!!!!One!!!!!!