Israeli blockade 'forces Palestinians to search rubbish dumps for food'

WildCat said:
Yes, a humanitarian disaster is what generally happens when a weak country declares war on a strong one.

Guess the Gazan's didn't think too far ahead when they overwhelmingly elected a genocidal internationally recognized terrorist group to be their government, huh?
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And round and round we go ...

Dr Adequate said:
I note that in the last elections Hamas got 44% of the vote (3% more than Fatah) with 74% of the population voting. Oh, wait, I mean 74% of the adult population voting.
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WildCat said:
Hamas will control the flow of goods with or without a "blockade". Lifting the blockade merely gives them more goods to control.
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More goods, but less control. When the food has to be smuggled in by the same routes by which Hamas smuggles weapons, then of course they have control. If there was free trade between every Israeli and Palestinian who wanted to participate in such trade, then Hamas would have to commit overt terrorist actions in order to disrupt it. The present situation gives them control over Gaza on a silver platter. The fact that the platter is engraved with the words "we really don't like you" doesn't seem to make much difference to them.
 
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Dr Adequate said:
More goods, but less control. When the food has to be smuggled in by the same routes by which Hamas smuggles weapons, then of course they have control. If there was free trade between every Israeli and Palestinian who wanted to participate in such trade, then Hamas would have to commit overt terrorist actions in order to disrupt it. The present situation gives them control over Gaza on a silver platter. The fact that the platter is engraved with the words "we really don't like you" doesn't seem to make much difference to them.
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Hamas had no problem seizing, taxing, etc aid and other goods prior to the blockade. It's not like the UN will stop them.

And since when did Hamas shy away from committing overt terrorist acts? It's what they do.
 
WildCat said:
Hamas had no problem seizing, taxing, etc aid and other goods prior to the blockade. It's not like the UN will stop them.

And since when did Hamas shy away from committing overt terrorist acts? It's what they do.
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Yeah, we are in agreement that Hamas are lumps of crap.

And what then?

You seem to be committing what is known as the "Politicians' Syllogism":

* We must do something.
* This is something.
* Therefore, we must do this.

The result is that ordinary Palestinians have to pick through garbage dumps for food, and, as you have admitted, Palestinians who feel like you do are particularly likely to be in that situation; whereas Hamas activists can only benefit from the fact that their party is in control of the food supply. If that is not absolute control over a population, I don't know what is.
 
FireGarden said:
So you agree with Rika's claim regarding Israel's reasoning about settlements?

If the claim is accurate, I would like to see it backed up.



Your racism is noted.
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Palestinian is not a race. Unless someone changed the definition of race and neglected to e-mail me about it.
 
You seem to suffer from an inability to read and interpret. As you should have noticed on certain previous occasions, I have an extremely strong tendency to say exactly what I mean. I do not refer in my statement to Skeptic so I assume I was not referring to anyone but the person I quoted and only to the misstatement made by that person.

Ordinarily I would add an insincere apology in which I would apologise for your inabilities in comprehension, but you are not worth the effort.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
You go on about Anti-semites Parky. You're beginning to show distinct signs of being the polar opposite.
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An Anti-Semite is someone who thinks that Jews are worse than others. The polar opposite of that would be someone who doesn't think that Jews are worse than others.
 
Tin Foil Timothy said:
Then you are on my side!
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Parky is on his own side.
Parky has a very objective point of view and is capable not only to admit crimes of Israel, but keeps pointing them out. But also keeps pointing at crimes of Hamas or Palestinians.

you do him no favor by claiming he is on your side.

Most other posters are leaning strongly to one side. i didnt get that impression from Parky.
 
fuelair said:
Palestinian is not a race. Unless someone changed the definition of race and neglected to e-mail me about it.
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Neither is "black" did you get that e-mail?...."hispanic" isn't either. Racism just vaporises in the face of your logic.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Yeah, we are in agreement that Hamas are lumps of crap.

And what then?
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Let them continue firing at Israel until one of the rockets has a nuclear warhead?

Frankly I don't see what good will come out of your "let them be" policy.
 
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fuelair said:
Palestinian is not a race. Unless someone changed the definition of race and neglected to e-mail me about it.
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And you're more offended by my choice of words than Skeptic's attitude? To make you happy, I will call it "bigotry" instead of "racism".
 
Rika said:
GDNP: You know, I could agree with that. I just hope I'm never placed in a position where I have to decide things like that.
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I appreciate the response. It is an interesting phenomenon of internet forums that a short controversial statement will often begin a non-contributory flame war, whereas a more reasoned response often seems to float through without any notice.
 
FireGarden said:
And you're more offended by my choice of words than Skeptic's attitude? To make you happy, I will call it "bigotry" instead of "racism".
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As I pointed out to tinny tim, I say what I mean. If I was offended, I would have said so. I was noting factual information, no more, no less - and if I was offeneded by technical errors like that, I would have no time to make fun of people with errant views. I'll buy bigotry as that is much more what you appeared to mean. I shall be forced though to disagree that bigotry is involved in the situation you mentioned - IIRC what it was. I, personally am an enemy of all groups who operate as does Hamas. Specifically all groups who act as Hamas. Not of all groups who retaliate for wrongs done them and whose retaliation is as limited as possible to the specific wrongdoers/group containing the wrongdoers.
 
fuelair said:
You seem to suffer from an inability to read and interpret. As you should have noticed on certain previous occasions, I have an extremely strong tendency to say exactly what I mean. I do not refer in my statement to Skeptic so I assume I was not referring to anyone but the person I quoted and only to the misstatement made by that person.

Ordinarily I would add an insincere apology in which I would apologise for your inabilities in comprehension, but you are not worth the effort.
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I bet you are fun at parties.
 
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