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How 9/11 was done

This government employee is covering his behind. Is he saying that this Washington Post article was a lie? The article claimed that near real time voice morphing was possible resulting in very convincing Colin Powell impersonations. My conclusion was that in order to reach real time voice morphing one just has to add some additional processing power.

The article is a newspaper article on a scientific topic, and as such is characterised by vague generalisations like "near real-time", without any quantification of the meaning of the word "near". Your "conclusion" is not a conclusion but a speculation.

I would agree that this software would not do the trick, but I am sure that Papcun's stuff is way better. And that you need voice morphing to mimic the intonations and emotional qualities.

Let's add that to the long list of software you've identified that won't do the trick. As yet, you've merely hypothesised the existence of software that will. In this respect, therefore, you're falling short - yet again - of even proving that your hypothesis is feasible, let alone proving it true.

And before you say "I disagree" again, I suggest you supply some grounds for disagreement.

Has been discussed earlier in this thread. I suggested that the Mossad could have burgled the place and put the safe there themselves.

Again this is pure speculation. You haven't demonstrated how it could have been done, and in particular you haven't demonstrated that Mossad could have faked a sufficiently convincing will. So, in order to do that, you have to build your house of cards one storey higher, by postulating that Mossad could have obtained the will by burgling her lawyers and copying the will without being detected. And of course you won't supply any evidence that they actually did that, either.

Again, you're not supplying adequate proof that your scenario is even possible. We're all still waiting for you to make a credible attempt (apart from unsupported assertions about the Dancing Jews and long-exposed misconcentions about the collapse of the Twin Towers) that your hypothesis is true.

Dave
 
You're blaming Mossad without evidence, and despite other JREFers proved you that if Israel commited 9/11, it would be a geopolitical suicide.

(Sorry for randomly placed quotes)

Italian ex-president Cossiga says that every intelligence agency in the world knows that the Mossad (+CIA) has carried out 911.

Cossiga knows his way within intelligence services. Google Cossiga Gladio.

The fact that Cossiga has terminal cancer makes it easier for him to say so.

Cossiga: "all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."

Cossiga: "it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel."

For the name see my blog.

"Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals - he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist."

Who owns the media again in the US?
 
Italian ex-president Cossiga says that every intelligence agency in the world knows that the Mossad (+CIA) has carried out 911.

Cossiga knows his way within intelligence services. Google Cossiga Gladio.

The fact that Cossiga has terminal cancer makes it easier for him to say so.

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This is old stuff; digging up old fantasy ideas from 9/11 truth. Try digging up evidence, that would be something never done by 9/11 truth.

Cossiga does this proof with talk, hearsay and fantasy. Do you believe all you see on the Internet. Cossiga is a liar or just stupid. Which is it.

When you find out there is no evidence what do you do?
 
This government employee is covering his behind. Is he saying that this Washington Post article was a lie? The article claimed that near real time voice morphing was possible resulting in very convincing Colin Powell impersonations. My conclusion was that in order to reach real time voice morphing one just has to add some additional processing power.

Talking about voice morphing/synthesis: parallel to the work done at Los Alamos there was a Flemish firm Lernout & Hauspie that did serious R&D on voice technology. The firm went bust at the time that the twin towers fell (no connection). Interestingly Microsoft incorporated their voice synthesys software in Windows. Go to Start --> Control Panel ('Configuratiescherm' in Dutch) --> Speech Recognition Options. There is one standard voice 'Microsoft Anna' who can read a line of text, like 'These suckers have box cutters. I love you. I have got to go!'. I would agree that this software would not do the trick, but I am sure that Papcun's stuff is way better. And that you need voice morphing to mimic the intonations and emotional qualities.



Has been discussed earlier in this thread. I suggested that the Mossad could have burgled the place and put the safe there themselves. Before you ridicule that idea please read first this story (search for Ostrovsky) to learn how the Mossad set up a dummy furniture brokerage company just to install a bug in a Syrian ministers furniture. Buying a safe at Walmart, break in a home and hide the safe somewhere in a closet under blankets with a hand written piece of paper in it is a smaller effort. Other explanations (sister faking the will) are possible as well but result in predictable storms of moral outrage (conveniently ignoring that although only one in 20 world citizens is an American, every fourth global prisoner sits in an American jail. People do these kind of things).


That is all nonsense, What utter foolishness.


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http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/msnbc090302.html

At 9:36 a.m., air traffic controllers watching radar screens saw Flight 93 make a hard left turn, veering sharply off course. Passengers felt the plane banking steeply. It was now heading southeast.
Two minutes later, Cleveland control picked up another bizarre transmission from one of two hijackers now locked in the cockpit. It said:
Hijacker: "Hi, this is the captain. We'd like you all to remain seated. There is a bomb aboard, and we are going to turn back to the airport. And they have our demands so please remain quiet."
What else but sheer terror could the passengers have been feeling? Marion Britton, a 53-year-old manager for the Census Bureau, called an old friend, Fred Fiumano, in a panic.
"She said, 'We're going to - they're going to kill us, you know, we're going to die,'" says Fiumano. "And I told her, 'Don't worry, they hijacked the plane, they're going to take you for a ride, you go to their country, and you come back. You stay there for vacation.' You don't know what to say. What are you going to say? I kept on saying the same things, 'Be calm.' And she was crying and, you know, more or less crying and screaming and yelling."
A bit more processing speed will be able to morph emotion? really? in real time? How did they morph Marion Brittons crying and screaming? Did they have 10 minute samples of that on tape? get real :rolleyes:
But ominous news had been circulating among the passengers, when Tom Burnett made a second call to his wife.
"He asked me about the World Trade Center," says Deena Burnett. "He asked if it was a passenger airline, and I told him I didn't know. And he said, 'OK,' and he hung up again. Said that he had to go."
At 9:43 a.m., the Pentagon was hit. The FAA, which had already halted new takeoffs, now ordered all airborne planes to the ground. But Flight 93 maintained an erratic course - for Washington, D.C.
Two minutes later, Todd Beamer picked up an onboard airphone and dialed "0." He was connected with GTE supervisor Lisa Jefferson, who told Stone Phillips about the call.
"I asked his name," says Lisa Jefferson. "He told me Todd Beamer. He's from Cranbury, New Jersey. At that point his voice went up a little bit because he said, 'We're going down. We're going down. No wait, we're coming back up. We're turning around and going north. We're going north. At this point I don't know where we're going. I don't know. I really don't know. Oh, Jesus, please help us.'"
Those were all his words?
"Yes," says Jefferson. "And then he told me, he said. 'In case I don't make it through this, would you please do me a favor and call my wife and my family and let them know how much I love them.' So I told him I would."
More emotion morphing software? They cant even get text to speech to annunciate properly in 08 and your claiming the mossad is typing merrily along having a live two way conversation with family members? get real. or grow up out of fantasy land. your choice. :rolleyes:
Tom Burnett called Deena a third time.
"I said, 'Tom, they just hit the Pentagon,' recalls Deena. "He said, 'OK. OK.' I told him I had called the authorities. He said, 'We can't wait for the authorities. We have to do something.'"
more two way live morphing?
Think about that. In less than a half hour, more than three dozen individuals - complete strangers - were becoming "We."

At 9:45 AM, Flight 93 had been in the air for just over an hour, its destination no longer California. Radar was tracking a path straight to Washington D.C. The White House, Pentagon, and the U.S. Capitol were all being evacuated.
If the hijackers had encouraged more than three dozen calls by cell phone or onboard airphones in the seats, they didn't anticipate the consequences. Now, the passengers knew they had nothing to lose. Strangers just an hour before were now running through their options.
Americans to the end, Jeremy Glick said they were going to take a vote. He wanted his wife's advice.
"You know we're talking about attacking these men," says Lyz. "'What should I do?' And you know, I was scared about giving him the wrong information. I didn't want to do something wrong and have something terrible happen."
They didn't know that NORAD had scrambled fighter jets that, on order of the president, could shoot the plane down.
They did know they were running out of time. They were making a plan, and any number of people were willing and able to carry it out.
Lou Nacke, a guy with a Superman tattoo on his shoulder ,could probably back it up.
Mark Bingham once tackled a mugger on a San Francisco street. That summer, he had run with the bulls in Pamplona.
Japanese student Toshiya Kuge played American football; he was a linebacker.
Richard Guadagno, a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service manager, was trained in hand-to-hand combat.
And Jeremy Glick wasn't just another guy in a business suit.
"When he was in college, he was the National Collegiate Junior Judo Championship," says Joan Glick. "So he was really strong."
There were strong women, too. Flight attendant CeeCee Lyles was a former cop.
"CeeCee was a tough one," says Lorne Lyles. "CeeCee was a very tough cookie. Even when we play and wrestle around, I know she's pretty tough. So I would say that, you know, CeeCee probably had her hands in her own fate. Because she always wanted to determine her own fate anyway."
New York Times reporter Jere Longman spent months investigating the Flight 93 story. In his book, "Among the Heroes," Longman reports that Debby Welsh, the six-foot-tall senior flight attendant, had overpowered a drunken passenger once, and shoved him into his seat. Passenger Deora Bodley had been captain of her high-school basketball team. And both Lauren Grandcolas and Linda Gronlund were trained emergency medical technicians.
"Linda Gronlund had once dislocated her leg, and had set her own kneecap in the driveway while waiting for the ambulance to arrive," says Longman.
Aamong the women, who else would have been known as tough?
"Well, there was Hilda Marcin," says Longman. "Once a man tried to snatch her purse, and she beat him over the head with her umbrella. So she wasn't afraid to stand up for herself.
Neither was 4'6" Colleen Fraser.
"She had red spiked hair," says Longman. "She once commandeered a para-transit bus and drove it down to Washington to browbeat the senators into passing the Americans with disabilities act."
Tom Burnett's strength was problem solving: it was practically a job description for the COO of a medical technology firm. Working the problem is what he did best.
"He was very busy," says Deena Burnett. "He was taking down information. He was planning what they were going to do. And he was not interested in reviewing his life or whispering sweet nothings into the telephone, I assure you. He was problem solving, and he was going to take care of it and come on home."
Claudette Greene never heard from her husband Don at all. And she thinks she knows why.
"I've never actually missed the fact that he didn't call," says Claudette. "I think he was busy. I'm convinced he was very busy, he didn't have time to make the call."
Don Greene might have been the answer to the ultimate question. If the pilot and copilot had been killed, what would the passengers have done after they had overpowered the hijackers?
An executive in the aviation business, Greene had thousands of hours in a cockpit as private pilot. He could fly a plane before he could drive a car.
"He had the knowledge to fly and land that airplane," says Claudette. "If there was any way he could get into the cockpit and take over the airplane, I think he would have tried to do that."
Another passenger on the manifest, Andrew Garcia, had airplane experience - as an air traffic controller with the Air National Guard.
The atmosphere in the cabin was tense but quiet, as people readied themselves for whatever lay ahead. Flight attendant Sandy Bradshaw called her husband and said she was getting scalding water ready to throw at the hijackers. Joseph DeLuca called his Dad; his girlfriend, Linda Gronlund, called her sister, Elsa Strong.
Elsa Strong says, "She said, 'Hi, Else, this is Lin. I just wanted to tell you how much I love you.' And she said, 'Please tell Mom and Dad how much I love them.' And then she got real calm and said, 'Now my will is in my safe and my safe is in my closet. and this is the combination.' And she just told me the combination of her safe. and then she just said, 'I don't know if I'm ever going to get a chance to tell you again in person how much I love you, but I'm really going to miss you.' And she said goodbye."
Are you at all familiar with Wills? Gronlund would have to sign it in the presence of two witnesses. How did your 'mossad" get ahold of "that piece of paper" from her before the flight and plant it in the safe? how did they know it even existed?
Lauren Grandcolas left a second message for her husband, Jack, in a voice so composed, he says she might have been calling from a supermarket:
"I heard her say, 'There's a little problem on the plane, I'm totally fine, just a little problem, I want you to know how much I love you, know that," says Jack Grandcolas. "Stopping herself from saying I'll call you back, as if she didn't want to leave a haunting promise. And then mentioning that she was fine and comfortable for now, and that she loved me more than anything, just know that and that it was just a little problem as if it was something they were going to take care of and to tell my family how much I love them and goodbye."
How did the alleged "mossad" know who to call and even if they DID have other surviving family members?
Then Grandcolas handed her phone to Elizabeth Wainio, the younger woman sitting next to her, and said, call your family. She called her stepmother, Esther Heymann.
"Elizabeth seemed to be speaking calmly, but her breathing was very shallow, as if she were hyperventilating," says reporter Jere Longman. "And Esther said, 'Elizabeth, I've got my arms around you, and I'm holding you. And I love you.' trying to calm her. Elizabeth said, 'I can feel your arms around me. And I love you, too.' And they talked for, I think approximately ten minutes. There were long silences. Esther began to get the feeling that Elizabeth was resigned to what was going to happen to her. And that she actually seemed to be leaving her body, going to a better place. She had had two grandmothers who were deceased, and at one point she told her mother, 'They're waiting for me.'"
again, how did the alleged "mossad" know that Elizabeth had two predeceased grandmothers "waiting for her"? [/QUOTE]
At home in Florida, Lorne Lyles was still asleep. A police officer, he'd worked the night shift. Shortly before 10:00, the telephone woke him up.
"And she was like, 'Babe, you know, my plane has been hijacked,'" says Lorne. "She said they forced their way into the cockpit and then she went on to say that, 'Babe, I need for you to tell the kids that I love them and I love you all dearly.' Like that. And I went, I thought, me just waking up, I thought she was joking, you know? I said, 'Babe, stop joking.' She said, 'No, babe, I'm not jokin'. I wouldn't call you and play like that.'"
Aparently this alleged "mossad" agent likes to type the term of endearment "babe' alot into his text to speach software.
Tom Burnett called home a fourth and final time.
"He said, 'OK, there's a group of us and we're going to do something.'" says Deena Burnett. :I said, 'No.' I said, 'Please sit down and be still, be quiet, don't draw attention to yourself.' And he said, 'No.' He said, 'If they're going to drive this plane into the ground,' he said, 'We've got to do something.'"
you realse of course that there would be considerable lag between the time Deena statement trying to discourage Tom and the time an alleged "mossad" agent thought of a reply and finished typing the first sentence out. You need a complete sentence as input before a morphing technology can interpret how to annuciate sentence breaks and paragtaphs properly. Another little flaw in your fantasy there to go along with the thousands of others. :rolleyes:.
Lyz Glick had begun to see that, too.
"And then, you know, I finally just decided, gut instinct, that, 'Honey, you need to do it,' says Lyz. "And then, you know, he joked. He's like, 'OK, I have my butter knife from breakfast.' You know, this was totally like Jeremy."
As they both cried, Jeremy took the time to prepare his wife for a life without him.
"We said I love you a thousand times over and over again," says Lyz, "and it just brought so much peace to us, and it wasn't even the words, I felt the feeling from it. He told me, 'I love Emmy,' who is our daughter, and to take care of her. Then he said, 'Whatever decisions you make in your life, I need you to be happy, and I will respect any decisions that you make.' That's what he said, and that gives me the most comfort. He sounded strong. He didn't sound panicked. Very clear-headed. I told him to put a picture of me and Emmy in his head to be strong."
So Lyz was strong for him, as he was strong for her?
"Yes," she says. "I mean, neither of us panicked. He knew that he was not going to make it out of there."
thie emotional two way conversation bolded above puts to rest any fantasy of faked phone calls or voice morphing. You need to move on, Not that i think you will simply because you have too much ego involved in your "'work" already to turn back.
And so did Lyz?
"I had hope," she says.
Several passengers recited the Lord's Prayer together. Todd Beamer was one of them. GTE Operator Lisa Jefferson said it along with them.
"After that he had a sigh in his voice," says Lisa Jefferson. "He took a deep breath. He was still holding the phone. But he was not talking to me, he was talking to someone else. And he said, 'You ready? Ok. Let's roll.'"
Flight attendant Sandy Bradshaw told her husband they were all running to first class together. "I've got to go, bye," she said, and dropped the phone.
Elizabeth Wainio ended her call abruptly, too.
Jere Longman says, "Shortly after 10:00, Elizabeth said, 'Mom, they're rushing the cockpit. I've got to go. Bye.'"
The counterattack had begun.
Television worldwide was broadcasting the news of a terror attack on New York City. Now the Pentagon was burning, too. But terrorists had chosen another target. Those plans were about to be thwarted.
At 10:00, aboard Flight 93, a counterattack had begun.
Jeremy Glick interrupted his 26-minute call to his wife, Lyz. "Hold the line," he said, "I'll be back." But she couldn't bear to listen and handed the phone to her father, Richard Makely.
"There was no noise for several minutes," says Makely. "And then there were screams, screams in the background, and so I said, well, they're doing it."
Lorne Lyles was still holding the phone too.
"And then I hear commotion in the background," says he says. "I didn't know what to think. Honestly, I didn't know what to think had happened. All I know is I got disconnected. And I got disconnected with her screaming."
After Todd Beamer's signal, people in the back of the plane started running forward. The way a Boeing 757 is configured - with one narrow aisle running up the center - they would had to have charged single-file.
Based on interviews with investigators and family members who heard the cockpit voice recorder tapes last spring, New York Times reporter Jere Longman can reconstruct the scene.
"The government's theory is that the passengers did actually reach the cockpit using a food cart as a battering ram and a shield," says Longman.
Why do they think that?
"Well, from enhancement - digital enhancement of the voice recorder, there's the sound of plates and glassware crashing near the end of the flight," says Longman.
But one person would had to have to have been behind that cart.
"It took brave people to, I mean, can you imagine if you were that first person in line rushing forward, and the curtain was closed in first class, and you had no idea what you would be encountering when you pulled that curtain back?" says Longman. "It took a brave person to do that."
Witnesses in rural Pennsylvania saw the plane flying at very low altitude, but at very high speed, making erratic wing maneuvers, rocking back and forth.
"Some investigators believe that the hijackers were trying to, you know, waggle the wings to keep the passengers from getting forward, to kind of knock them around like bowling pins," says Longman.
Waggling the wings, then, wouldn't have been necessary unless there had been a threat to the cockpit.
"Oh, sure. at one point you can hear, you know, 'In the cockpit, in the cockpit,'" says Longman. "And then someone says something that's unintelligible and kind of garbled, but it's the sense that if we don't do that, then, quote, 'We'll die.'"
On the cockpit tape, the hijackers are reportedly heard telling each other to hold the door while someone on the outside shouts, "Let's get them."
"During this part the hijackers are also praying," says Longman.
What is the nature of their praying?
"Saying 'Allah akbar' - God is great," says Longman.
Is there a sense at this point that the hijackers know that the flight is going to end prematurely?
"They're obviously threatened, and feel threatened," says Longman. "And at one point, one of the hijackers suggests shutting off the oxygen supply to the cabin. As I understand it, it's a very difficult or impossible thing to do, and it wouldn't have any effect on the breathing of the passengers, because they were below 10,000 feet. And then the hijackers begin talking about, 'Should we finish?' And on the transcript it says, 'Finish it/her off.' "
It's unclear whether the hijackers are referring to the flight itself, or to an unidentified woman, heard pleading for her life earlier on the tape.
"In the final moments of this struggle, according to the families who heard the tape, voices that seemed muffled and distant all of a sudden became clearer," says Longman. "They took that as some corroboration that the passengers actually are in - perhaps crew - actually did reach the cockpit."
Does he mean, reach it, breach it?
"Get inside," says Longman.
They got in?
"Yes, that's the government theory, that they actually got inside," says Longman. "Near the end you hear in english words, 'Roll it up,' and 'lift it up,' or 'turn it up,' or 'pull it up.' The families have taken that as a sign that the passengers and perhaps crew were trying to regain control of the plane."
Yet the alleged "mossad' were able to coordinate the sounds of passengers rushing the cockpit? And the sounds of a tray cart smashing against the cockpit door to those on the ground who still held the phone on the line along with the cockpit voice recorder?
 
K.

So how did this voice-morphing technology know the names of victims' family members or, in one case, the combination of a safe?

Just returned from the gym... while stamping away the kilometers I came up with a refined story:

It's 18:25 as Joe Deluca picks up his cell phone to call his girlfriend Linda Gronlund.

Two seconds after he selects her number from his buddy list a red light starts to blink in a gray office building in Herzliya, Israel. A girl in that office quickly puts on her headset, grabs a pencil and a writing pad and starts to listen attentively. Joe Deluca was put on a watch list after it was known that he had had booked on flight93 to San Francisco.

triiinnng

Linda: hello?
Joe: hi sweetheart, it's me.
Linda: Oh hi, darling!
Joe: just calling to say that I will be a little late tonight. Did you have dinner?
Linda: no, not yet. I had a busy day. I can wait for you to come home so we can have dinner together.
Joe: fine. Did you go to the notary today?
Linda, yeah, I did. Went very smooth actually. I just had to sign and I could take a copy of my will with me. I have put the papers on the pile of mail on the drawer I have to work through but I am too tired now. I'll do that after we return from Frisco. I am really looking forward to that trip next week.
Joe: yeah, me too. OK, I have to hang up. I'll see you in an hour. I have forgotten to bring the keys though.
Linda: Oh, I'll take a bath first. Just in case I am not ready, you know where to find the key, do you?
Joe: sure, see you later.


Click.

In the office the girl puts off her headset and leans backward and muses for 10 minutes and then starts to smile...

On the morning of 9/11 a car is parked 50 meters from Linda Gronlund's house with a man sitting in it. Although it is still dark, the man is wearing sunglasses and is reading a newspaper with 2 holes in it, just not to draw attention. At 6:05 Linda Gronlund leaves her house. When her car is out of sight, the man leaves his car, walks towards the house with a metal box under his arm.Without hesitation he takes a key from under a flower pot, opens the door and goes in to return after 5 minutes without the metal box. He steps into the car and drives off.
 
Just returned from the gym... while stamping away the kilometers I came up with a refined story:

It's 18:25 as Joe Deluca picks up his cell phone to call his girlfriend Linda Gronlund.

Two seconds after he selects her number from his buddy list a red light starts to blink in a gray office building in Herzliya, Israel. A girl in that office quickly puts on her headset, grabs a pencil and a writing pad and starts to listen attentively. Joe Deluca was put on a watch list after it was known that he had had booked on flight93 to San Francisco.

triiinnng

Linda: hello?
Joe: hi sweetheart, it's me.
Linda: Oh hi, darling!
Joe: just calling to say that I will be a little late tonight. Did you have dinner?
Linda: no, not yet. I had a busy day. I can wait for you to come home so we can have dinner together.
Joe: fine. Did you go to the notary today?
Linda, yeah, I did. Went very smooth actually. I just had to sign and I could take a copy of my will with me. I have put the papers on the pile of mail on the drawer I have to work through but I am too tired now. I'll do that after we return from Frisco. I am really looking forward to that trip next week.
Joe: yeah, me too. OK, I have to hang up. I'll see you in an hour. I have forgotten to bring the keys though.
Linda: Oh, I'll take a bath first. Just in case I am not ready, you know where to find the key, do you?
Joe: sure, see you later.


Click.

In the office the girl puts off her headset and leans backward and muses for 10 minutes and then starts to smile...

On the morning of 9/11 a car is parked 50 meters from Linda Gronlund's house with a man sitting in it. Although it is still dark, the man is wearing sunglasses and is reading a newspaper with 2 holes in it, just not to draw attention. At 6:05 Linda Gronlund leaves her house. When her car is out of sight, the man leaves his car, walks towards the house with a metal box under his arm.Without hesitation he takes a key from under a flower pot, opens the door and goes in to return after 5 minutes without the metal box. He steps into the car and drives off.

Ok - how to put this ... anyone can make up a story line.

Fantasy does not equal reality. There is a point in rational thought at which your theory becomes unsustainable and is overwhelmed by the legitmate evidence. It appears now, that bar has been crossed by any reasonable standard.

When you actually get back to investigation, please let us know.
 
A bit more processing speed will be able to morph emotion? really? in real time? How did they morph Marion Brittons crying and screaming?

Why are you so sure you need samples of screams in order to morph a good scream.

Did they have 10 minute samples of that on tape? get real :rolleyes:More emotion morphing software? They cant even get text to speech to annunciate properly in 08 and your claiming the mossad is typing merrily along having a live two way conversation with family members? get real. or grow up out of fantasy land. your choice. :rolleyes: more two way live morphing?

I dropped the idea of typing, just a headset.

Are you at all familiar with Wills? Gronlund would have to sign it in the presence of two witnesses. How did your 'mossad" get ahold of "that piece of paper" from her before the flight and plant it in the safe? how did they know it even existed?

I just came up with a story in a previous post. The fact that the Mossad put the will in a Walmart safe does not mean that Gronlund kept it in a safe. How they knew? Eavesdropping.

How did the alleged "mossad" know who to call and even if they DID have other surviving family members?

Many people book flight weeks in advance, more than enough time to study the peculiarities of the victims by eavesdropping.

Then Grandcolas handed her phone to Elizabeth Wainio, the younger woman sitting next to her, and said, call your family. She called her stepmother, Esther Heymann. "Elizabeth seemed to be speaking calmly, but her breathing was very shallow, as if she were hyperventilating," says reporter Jere Longman. "And Esther said, 'Elizabeth, I've got my arms around you, and I'm holding you. And I love you.' trying to calm her. Elizabeth said, 'I can feel your arms around me. And I love you, too.' And they talked for, I think approximately ten minutes. There were long silences. Esther began to get the feeling that Elizabeth was resigned to what was going to happen to her. And that she actually seemed to be leaving her body, going to a better place. She had had two grandmothers who were deceased, and at one point she told her mother, 'They're waiting for me.'"

What's the problem here? I never said that Mossad is incapable of acting, but they should have put a bit more drama in it.

you realse of course that there would be considerable lag between the time Deena statement trying to discourage Tom and the time an alleged "mossad" agent thought of a reply and finished typing the first sentence out. You need a complete sentence as input before a morphing technology can interpret how to annuciate sentence breaks and paragtaphs properly. Another little flaw in your fantasy there to go along with the thousands of others. :rolleyes:.

Forget the typing, just speaking.

Yet the alleged "mossad' were able to coordinate the sounds of passengers rushing the cockpit? And the sounds of a tray cart smashing against the cockpit door to those on the ground who still held the phone on the line along with the cockpit voice recorder?

Background sounds can be prepared and mixed with the voice input. All these simple commercial packages have this options.
 
I understand your deep desire to short-cut our 9/11-discussion in an attempt to put a white hat on your head and a black one on mine in order to make it clear for the rest of the world who has a 'beautiful soul' (*) and who has not. In our part of the world we have a little contempt for people who believe in a non-existing moral world order. That's for Appalachian Hillbillies.
Thus spake a bigot. Nice.
P.S. are you really a friend of de Markies van Carabas? This Dutch guy can be very blunt about Jews. I am amazed!
I asked you directly whether or not you had read the original paper from SAMS, the one cited in the Washington Times regarding a 10 September article about the Mossad being not above setting up the US in a Pal/Isr peacekeeping mission.

You did not answer.

So, did you read that paper?

You may be able to find it by looking up the Combined Arms Command and the US Army Command and General Staff College, which is where SAMS is. School of Advanced Military Studies.

Investigator? Not so far. I am not sure you even read the little excerpt I provided from that derivative site.

As it stands, your "The Mossad did it" is left hanging with need of some support. What you cited didn't satisfy.

DR
 
Just returned from the gym... while stamping away the kilometers I came up with a refined story:

It's 18:25 as Joe Deluca picks up his cell phone to call his girlfriend Linda Gronlund.

Two seconds after he selects her number from his buddy list a red light starts to blink in a gray office building in Herzliya, Israel. A girl in that office quickly puts on her headset, grabs a pencil and a writing pad and starts to listen attentively. Joe Deluca was put on a watch list after it was known that he had had booked on flight93 to San Francisco.

triiinnng

Linda: hello?
Joe: hi sweetheart, it's me.
Linda: Oh hi, darling!
Joe: just calling to say that I will be a little late tonight. Did you have dinner?
Linda: no, not yet. I had a busy day. I can wait for you to come home so we can have dinner together.
Joe: fine. Did you go to the notary today?
Linda, yeah, I did. Went very smooth actually. I just had to sign and I could take a copy of my will with me. I have put the papers on the pile of mail on the drawer I have to work through but I am too tired now. I'll do that after we return from Frisco. I am really looking forward to that trip next week.
Joe: yeah, me too. OK, I have to hang up. I'll see you in an hour. I have forgotten to bring the keys though.
Linda: Oh, I'll take a bath first. Just in case I am not ready, you know where to find the key, do you?
Joe: sure, see you later.

Click.

In the office the girl puts off her headset and leans backward and muses for 10 minutes and then starts to smile...

On the morning of 9/11 a car is parked 50 meters from Linda Gronlund's house with a man sitting in it. Although it is still dark, the man is wearing sunglasses and is reading a newspaper with 2 holes in it, just not to draw attention. At 6:05 Linda Gronlund leaves her house. When her car is out of sight, the man leaves his car, walks towards the house with a metal box under his arm.Without hesitation he takes a key from under a flower pot, opens the door and goes in to return after 5 minutes without the metal box. He steps into the car and drives off.

I find you making fun of 9/11 victims and heroes pathetic. You have no evidence.

I think your ideas are pure fantasy and it is not nice to make up ideas and make fun of people who died on 9/11 due to the terrorist acts you ignore and apologize for by making up false ideas and silly stories.
 
Just returned from the gym... while stamping away the kilometers I came up with a refined story:

It's 18:25 as Joe Deluca picks up his cell phone to call his girlfriend Linda Gronlund.

Two seconds after he selects her number from his buddy list a red light starts to blink in a gray office building in Herzliya, Israel. A girl in that office quickly puts on her headset, grabs a pencil and a writing pad and starts to listen attentively. Joe Deluca was put on a watch list after it was known that he had had booked on flight93 to San Francisco.

triiinnng

Linda: hello?
Joe: hi sweetheart, it's me.
Linda: Oh hi, darling!
Joe: just calling to say that I will be a little late tonight. Did you have dinner?
Linda: no, not yet. I had a busy day. I can wait for you to come home so we can have dinner together.
Joe: fine. Did you go to the notary today?
Linda, yeah, I did. Went very smooth actually. I just had to sign and I could take a copy of my will with me. I have put the papers on the pile of mail on the drawer I have to work through but I am too tired now. I'll do that after we return from Frisco. I am really looking forward to that trip next week.
Joe: yeah, me too. OK, I have to hang up. I'll see you in an hour. I have forgotten to bring the keys though.
Linda: Oh, I'll take a bath first. Just in case I am not ready, you know where to find the key, do you?
Joe: sure, see you later.

Click.

In the office the girl puts off her headset and leans backward and muses for 10 minutes and then starts to smile...

On the morning of 9/11 a car is parked 50 meters from Linda Gronlund's house with a man sitting in it. Although it is still dark, the man is wearing sunglasses and is reading a newspaper with 2 holes in it, just not to draw attention. At 6:05 Linda Gronlund leaves her house. When her car is out of sight, the man leaves his car, walks towards the house with a metal box under his arm.Without hesitation he takes a key from under a flower pot, opens the door and goes in to return after 5 minutes without the metal box. He steps into the car and drives off.

And your agent gets busted by both the neighborhood watch and the Slomin Shield combined and you have the Watergate break in fiasco all over again. Which brings down not only the Israel and the JOOOS but the current administration as well. And all for what? To plant an obscure document in a safe to make a phone call more believable? Is that stupid or what? I can tell by your writing style that you read too many mystery novels. That **** don't sell anymore. It just is not credible.
 
Why bother with voice morphers when they can just use shape-shifters? If you're going to make stuff up to fit a conclusion, why not go all the way?
 
Just returned from the gym... while stamping away the kilometers I came up with a refined story:

It's 18:25 as Joe Deluca picks up his cell phone to call his girlfriend Linda Gronlund.

Two seconds after he selects her number from his buddy list a red light starts to blink in a gray office building in Herzliya, Israel. A girl in that office quickly puts on her headset, grabs a pencil and a writing pad and starts to listen attentively. Joe Deluca was put on a watch list after it was known that he had had booked on flight93 to San Francisco.

triiinnng

Linda: hello?
Joe: hi sweetheart, it's me.
Linda: Oh hi, darling!
Joe: just calling to say that I will be a little late tonight. Did you have dinner?
Linda: no, not yet. I had a busy day. I can wait for you to come home so we can have dinner together.
Joe: fine. Did you go to the notary today?
Linda, yeah, I did. Went very smooth actually. I just had to sign and I could take a copy of my will with me. I have put the papers on the pile of mail on the drawer I have to work through but I am too tired now. I'll do that after we return from Frisco. I am really looking forward to that trip next week.
Joe: yeah, me too. OK, I have to hang up. I'll see you in an hour. I have forgotten to bring the keys though.
Linda: Oh, I'll take a bath first. Just in case I am not ready, you know where to find the key, do you?
Joe: sure, see you later.


Click.

In the office the girl puts off her headset and leans backward and muses for 10 minutes and then starts to smile...

On the morning of 9/11 a car is parked 50 meters from Linda Gronlund's house with a man sitting in it. Although it is still dark, the man is wearing sunglasses and is reading a newspaper with 2 holes in it, just not to draw attention. At 6:05 Linda Gronlund leaves her house. When her car is out of sight, the man leaves his car, walks towards the house with a metal box under his arm.Without hesitation he takes a key from under a flower pot, opens the door and goes in to return after 5 minutes without the metal box. He steps into the car and drives off.

Oh. My. GOD.

PLEASE tell me you are not serious. Because if you are... you need some SERIOUS help.

This is what would happen in the plot of a C-grade spy movie, for Pete's sake! You've CLEARLY been watching a few too many James Bond films.

Challenge to anyone rational here; I would bet you anything there is a movie in the Hollywood archives that uses this EXACT same plot device. Dare you all to find it.
 
Who owns the media again in the US?

Given the way they gleefully and regularly tear our leader's actions and words apart as well as focus on the most trival things they possibly can just to drive ratings up, I'm going to go with the blatantly obvious answer here and say.... THE MEDIA.
 
I do have around 20 years of pro audio experience, and would be incredibly pleased to have a gizmo like what your fantasy requires.

Always bent on pleasing my opponents I am delighted to be able to 'incredibly please' Khaleb; here you have your gizmo:

First, the Voice Mimicker module, uses similarity analysis, celebrity voice samples, and the ability to import anyone’s recorded voice, allows the user to learn how to mimic the voice of virtually anyone. By loading in a voice sample, the user can train their voice to sound like the sample by making adjustments to the pitch, timbre and velocity and saving the results.

According to the FAQ: Instantly change your voice into sample voice.
 
Mr Investigator,

I am a lurker, and I wanted to pop out of my shell in order to give you a thought on my view of your theories after 34 pages, since I recall somewhere in the middle of this thread that you expressed an interest in what readers thought of your theories.

If I may briefly address your most recent suggestion, that the safe in Linda's house was planted there by Mossad agents. If I am honest I fail to see the actual purpose of this exercise by Mossad. The agents possess a recording of her saying where her will is, so why not simply make a phone call on September 11th pointing to this place?

There is no benefit whatsoever to the conspiracy that Linda's will happens to be in a safe in the closet as opposed to in a pile of papers that would presumably be found by her relatives when they went to the house to sort through her belongings.

In addition to providing no benefit, such a move by Mossad is also extremely risky. Should anyone see the agent entering or exiting the property then this could uncover the whole conspiracy, since such an act would be highly suspicious on the same day that Linda died in the terrorist attacks.

Your solution above is sadly rather indicative of your approach to September 11th investigation thus far. The solutions to the problems put to you require Mossad to be both incredibly brilliant and at the same time astoundingly stupid.

Your conspirators spend an awful amount of time complicating an already complicated operation for next to no actual benefit, with Mossad seemingly so caught up in technical minutiae that they forget that the world will happily believe the Islamic takeover story based on just two pieces of evidence:

1) Bin Laden claimed responsibility
2) The planes flew into buildings

Very little else is actually necessary to put together what happened, and virtually everything else that Mossad do in addition to this, from dancing in the street to faking phone calls to planting safe deposit boxes in houses simply risks the operation being exposed.

Overall I personally don't find at this point your ideas convincing as you have merely imagined a way around every problem set to you, and now have reached a point where your theories not only lack evidence, but also the protagonists of this conspiracy lack basic reasoning.

I will continue lurking in the hope that you refine your investigative skills, I remain skeptical of this, but ever hopeful.

Kind Regards
Tickers
 
9/11-investigator, since you failed to answer my following questions, even after asking it THREE times...

Have you located the explosions yet, in the soundclip I linked to?

Here it is again: http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/

Scroll down to "Exhibits: Audio"

... I think it is save to assume that your 'investigation' into this soundclip failed to identify the sounds of the explosives.

Not that I expected anything different.

Thanks for playing, anyway...

BTW, where is the sound of the explosives on those 911 calls from the towers?

Directly after he screams 'Oh God'. Eat your heart out with this excellent video with majestic shots of the exploding Twin Towers (had not seen some of them before).

(strike out mine)
 
Mr Investigator,

I am a lurker, and I wanted to pop out of my shell in order to give you a thought on my view of your theories after 34 pages, since I recall somewhere in the middle of this thread that you expressed an interest in what readers thought of your theories.

True.

If I may briefly address your most recent suggestion, that the safe in Linda's house was planted there by Mossad agents. If I am honest I fail to see the actual purpose of this exercise by Mossad. The agents possess a recording of her saying where her will is, so why not simply make a phone call on September 11th pointing to this place?

I agree that you just blew my story. But flexible as I am, I change the story in that the eavesdropper heard that Linda did put the will in her safe. So the guy with the glasses enters Linda's house not just with a new safe but also with a device to crack her old safe. After the cracking he puts the will in the new safe of which he knows the code, as well as the people in the war room in Urban Moving Systems. Story saved.

In addition to providing no benefit, such a move by Mossad is also extremely risky. Should anyone see the agent entering or exiting the property then this could uncover the whole conspiracy, since such an act would be highly suspicious on the same day that Linda died in the terrorist attacks.

He is just a burgler bringing Linda a new safe. :D

Your solution above is sadly rather indicative of your approach to September 11th investigation thus far. The solutions to the problems put to you require Mossad to be both incredibly brilliant and at the same time astoundingly stupid.

The motivation of all this is to convert some 50 Mossad man years into 1,000,000 million and counting free American military man year.

Do you really believe the official story?

Your conspirators spend an awful amount of time complicating an already complicated operation for next to no actual benefit, with Mossad seemingly so caught up in technical minutiae that they forget that the world will happily believe the Islamic takeover story based on just two pieces of evidence:

1) Bin Laden claimed responsibility
2) The planes flew into buildings

Little details:
- How do you manage to fly the plains into the buildings in the first place? --> remote control.
- How can you kill 3000 people to achieve the desired New Pearl Harbor mobilizing effect? --> explosives
- How can you put the blame on Arabs just in case this bin Laden chap denies his involvment (which he did) --> fake phone calls + surveillance camera pictures
- How can I make it plausible that the Arabs were able to fly --> flight schools

I think the scenario is rather efficient and not elaborate measured to the desired result: an attempt to a global coup d'état.

Very little else is actually necessary to put together what happened, and virtually everything else that Mossad do in addition to this, from dancing in the street to faking phone calls to planting safe deposit boxes in houses simply risks the operation being exposed.

No risk no gain. And after 7 years nothing is really exposed except for the ramblings of a would be Sherlock Holmes hidden in some remote part of the internet.

Overall I personally don't find at this point your ideas convincing as you have merely imagined a way around every problem set to you, and now have reached a point where your theories not only lack evidence, but also the protagonists of this conspiracy lack basic reasoning.

I am sorry to hear that.

I will continue lurking in the hope that you refine your investigative skills, I remain skeptical of this, but ever hopeful.

Kind Regards
Tickers

Well, die Hoffnung stirbt am letzten. The refinement process can be enhanced significantly if you actively participate.

I would really like to know what your take on 9/11 is in a broad outline. You believe in the OCT? If not, then what?

Thanks for your comments.
 
Oh. My. GOD.

PLEASE tell me you are not serious. Because if you are... you need some SERIOUS help.

Why, I feel fine. The only help I need is someone offering me a contract for a book or movie script. He can PM me.

This is what would happen in the plot of a C-grade spy movie, for Pete's sake! You've CLEARLY been watching a few too many James Bond films.

I like spy films indeed, with the (old style) James Bond movies on top. However, I was forced to react to someone who tried to torpedo my story with this safe code issue. I showed that there are ways around that.

Challenge to anyone rational here; I would bet you anything there is a movie in the Hollywood archives that uses this EXACT same plot device.

Not yet. :D
 

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