Israeli blockade 'forces Palestinians to search rubbish dumps for food'

[DC]

according to WildCats "thinking" it is ok to hold Civilians responsible for the deeds of their government.

Just hope you dont come across an Iraqi that lost his family do to freedombombs.

we should send all US citizens to den Haag and jail them for Torture and other violations of Human Rights.
they voted twice for Republicans and the Warpresident.

 

[WildCat]

oh dear you should inform yourself a little bit.............. really.

Educate myself? I'm more aware of what is going on than you appear to be. Can you tell me what Article 13 of the Hamas Charter says? How about Article 28?

And also pay close attention to Article 29, which states quite clearly how they will use the useful idiots of the world to help them achieve their goal of Israel's destruction.

 

[WildCat]

according to WildCats "thinking" it is ok to hold Civilians responsible for the deeds of their government.

Just hope you dont come across an Iraqi that lost his family do to freedombombs.

we should send all US citizens to den Haag and jail them for Torture and other violations of Human Rights.
they voted twice for Republicans and the Warpresident.

I see that you have no honest way to make your argument, so you have resorted to misrepresenting me. Cute!

 

[DC]

Educate myself? I'm more aware of what is going on than you appear to be. Can you tell me what Article 13 of the Hamas Charter says? How about Article 28?

And also pay close attention to Article 29, which states quite clearly how they will use the useful idiots of the world to help them achieve their goal of Israel's destruction.

your prolly so right.
i was so misstaken

all those checkpoints in Gaza, i thought those are IDF people , but in this forum i learned those are Hamas people. isnt it?

 

[DC]

I see that you have no honest way to make your argument, so you have resorted to misrepresenting me. Cute!

So you agree that a Blockade that also affect food supply is wrong and a collective punishment?

 

[WildCat]

your prolly so right.
i was so misstaken

all those jeckpoints in Gaza, i thought those are IDF people , but in this forum i learned those are Hamas people. isnt it?

Any checkpoints in Gaza are certainly run by Hamas, not Israel, as Israel has no troops in Gaza.

Once again you expose your ignorance, good job proving my point!

 

[WildCat]

So you agree that a Blockade that also affect food supply is wrong and a collective punishment?

So you agree that the sanctions against S. Africa during apartheid were unjust?

And why should Israel allow supplies into a country that is at war with it?

 

[DC]

So you agree that the sanctions against S. Africa during apartheid were unjust?

And why should Israel allow supplies into a country that is at war with it?

why? somehting you dont care, called Geneva Convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention

 

[WildCat]

Educate myself? I'm more aware of what is going on than you appear to be. Can you tell me what Article 13 of the Hamas Charter says? How about Article 28?

And also pay close attention to Article 29, which states quite clearly how they will use the useful idiots of the world to help them achieve their goal of Israel's destruction.

DC?

 

[DC]

DC?

i dont defend Hamas.

what other partys had the Palestinians to vote for?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Er. Looking at the convention?

"But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention and the citizens of a neutral state or an allied state if that state has normal diplomatic relations with in the State in whose hands they are."

Palestine is not a signatory.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Also WC: No, I'm not, the point is more that .. look

They elected Hamas. Until they try to kick Hamas out they can't expect a lot of sympathy. While I wish there was some pragmatic way of allowing noncombantants to leave or get help, there is no pragmatic way to make sure no terrorist group can take advantage of that.

 

[DC]

Er. Looking at the convention?

"But it explicitly excludes Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention and the citizens of a neutral state or an allied state if that state has normal diplomatic relations with in the State in whose hands they are."

Palestine is not a signatory.

they wanted to sign :

Palestine : On 21 June 1989, the Swiss Federal Department of Foreign Affairs received a letter from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations Office at Geneva informing the Swiss Federal Council "that the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization, entrusted with the functions of the Government of the State of Palestine by decision of the Palestine National Council, decided, on 4 May 1989, to adhere to the Four Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and the two Protocols additional thereto".
On 13 September 1989, the Swiss Federal Council informed the States that it was not in a position to decide whether the letter constituted an instrument of accession, "due to the uncertainty within the international community as to the existence or non-existence of a State of Palestine".

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?ReadForm&id=375&ps=P

 

[BirdStrike]

Who controls the borders?

I just love that one. It's such a cop out.

Not just the border with Israel, but the sea coast? Who controls the airspace? Why doesn't Hamas just ship in supplies from outside?

Gosh gdnp, why don't we just walk away from Al Qaeda in Afghanistan too, and just let them ship materials when and where they want to? Sound like a good idea?

Oh, I guess that would be because the Israelis run the place like a prison camp, wouldn't it?

Israel DOESN'T RUN THE PLACE! They left in 2005. Hamas runs Gaza for the 10,000,000,000 time.

Hamas may be acting as the guards, but if they try to leave, they'll be shot.

So Hamas are really "Israeli guards." Got ya.

Hamas control is the equivalent of the prisoners running the prison.

WHAT?!?!? Hamas are now simply prisoners of their own coup?

The Israelis let them run the internal affairs because it is easier than getting their own people shot.

Ok. If you claim so.

The Gaza strip cannot feed itself. Unemployment is more than 50%. They have no fuel except what is shipped in.

Boo Hoo Hoo. I guess the bloody Hamas coup was a bad idea after all.

Who was the occupying power in the Warsaw ghetto?

Now you are Godwinning the thread, bringing up the Warsaw ghetto, because you are now grasping at straws to excuse Hamas's responsibilities.

Who controls everything brought legally in or out of Gaza?

HAMAS does! Unfortunately for Hamas they share a common border with the country it is sworn to destroy!

I am an occupant of my house. That does not make me the occupying power.

Ok..Whatever.

The US demanded that the Palestinians hold free and fair elections, and the Israelis hamstrung the Palestinian authority which, combined with their own incompetence and corruption, caused their popularity to plummet. Hamas' election was the direct result.

So Israel is ultimately responsible for who Palestinians voted for now. God does this endless transference ever stop?

So here's a question for you: why do you think a large majority of the Palestinian population voted a terrorist organization in to power in Gaza?

Easy. Because Fatah was unbelievably corrupt. And all other moderate political parties were run out of town by Arafat.

Do you think that current Israeli policies are likely to lead to a more or less radical population?

Back to Israel...yet again. At what point does this transference of responsibility for everything end. Really.

we need to invade palestine and provide them with a couple of alternate governments all of which we approve of....agreed?

No...we need to only give them a choice we appprove of. We didn't let the Bathist parties stand in Iraqi elections. We need to do the same thing in Palestine. Invade invite alternate acceptable governments to stand. proclaim free palestine whats wrong with that scenario?

Sorry, I didn't notice you had been distracted by the word "election". You choose to hold Palistinians responsible for the terrorists...but not Iraqis. I was just wondering why as the answer "because they elected them" is so shallow I assumed you would be too clever to swallow it....my bad.

The subject in denial may shift culpability for the reality, and attempt transference to another party.

So the only reason for terrorism is actually that the Palestinians hate jews and want to kill all of them?

Ever read the Hamas covenant? Even once? Ever?

Hamas Covenant 1988

- Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts.

- The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.

- There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.

- In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.

- In their Nazi treatment, the Jews made no exception for women or children. Their policy of striking fear in the heart is meant for all.

- Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."

- etc...etc...etc...

But Hamas is a party advocating peace with Israel. We've had this converstation before.

WHAT?!?! Ever read the Hamas Covenant? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

all those checkpoints in Gaza, i thought those are IDF people , but in this forum i learned those are Hamas people. isnt it?

Israel left Gaza in 2005 for christ sakes, for the ten trillionth time.

i dont defend Hamas.

what other partys had the Palestinians to vote for?

Lemme sum up the last 3 pages for everyone:

It's obvious that several posters here are adamant that the Palestinian people are not responsible for their votes, they are not responsible for their government, they are not responsible for their actions, and they are not responsible or electing Hamas by a large majority, and Hamas isn't responsible for Gaza, or what happens to the people living their.

I think that sums up gdnp's, Dictator Cheney's, The Fool's, Tin Foil Timothy's and moon1969's posts perfectly.

Have a nice day!

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

That does not mean anything. They are not a signatory. While I can wish they are, and it'd be nice, the world doesn't really care what I or anyone wishes.

 

[DC]

I just love that one. It's such a cop out.



Gosh gdnp, why don't we just walk away from Al Qaeda in Afghanistan too, and just let them ship materials when and where they want to? Sound like a good idea?



Israel DOESN'T RUN THE PLACE! They left in 2005. Hamas runs Gaza for the 10,000,000,000 time.



So Hamas are really "Israeli guards." Got ya.



WHAT?!?!? Hamas are now simply prisoners of their own coup?





Ok. If you claim so.



Boo Hoo Hoo. I guess the bloody Hamas coup was a bad idea after all.



Now you are Godwinning the thread, bringing up the Warsaw ghetto, because you are now grasping at straws to excuse Hamas's responsibilities.





HAMAS does! Unfortunately for Hamas they share a common border with the country it is sworn to destroy!



Ok..Whatever.



So Israel is ultimately responsible for who Palestinians voted for now. God does this endless transference ever stop?



Easy. Because Fatah was unbelievably corrupt. And all other moderate political parties were run out of town by Arafat.



Back to Israel...yet again. At what point does this transference of responsibility for everything end. Really.



The subject in denial may shift culpability for the reality, and attempt transference to another party.



Ever read the Hamas covenant? Even once? Ever?





WHAT?!?! Ever read the Hamas Covenant? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!



Israel left Gaza in 2005 for christ sakes, for the ten trillionth time.



Lemme sum up the last 3 pages for everyone:

It's obvious that several posters here are adamant that the Palestinian people are not responsible for their votes, they are not responsible for their government, they are not responsible for their actions, and they are not responsible or electing Hamas by a large majority, and Hamas isn't responsible for Gaza, or what happens to the people living their.

I think that sums up gdnp's, Dictator Cheney's, The Fool's, Tin Foil Timothy's and moon1969's posts perfectly.

Have a nice day!

Ok. If you claim so.

 

[DC]

That does not mean anything. They are not a signatory. While I can wish they are, and it'd be nice, the world doesn't really care what I or anyone wishes.

They wanted to sign.

But maybe someday the UN will find a nice place for the Palestinians and creat a nation there, then they can sign it. when they have a state.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

ARRG.

Let me put this simply.

Being a signatory to the Geneva Convnetions is a binary state. They are not. That. Simple.

 

[DC]

ARRG.

Let me put this simply.

Being a signatory to the Geneva Convnetions is a binary state. They are not. That. Simple.

ah ok, theyn its OK to let them starve.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Oh, the strawman. No. It means the Geneva Conventions don't apply. The morality of Israel's actions is something I'm not discussing.