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Native American myths/traditions support Bigfoot? A critical look.

The U'mista Cultural Society has been kind enough to return my email to them regarding dsonoqua. Though the reply did not directly answer the question I asked, they were very helpful in sending along some detailed documents regarding dsonoqua. I have previously read both in my research and I'll post them here:

Dzunuk̕wa “Giant of the Woods” / Gi’kaml “Chief’s Mask”

The giantess Dzunuk̕wa is a member of the large family of giants who live in the far away mountains and woods. Black in color, with bushy, unkempt hair and a pursed mouth through which she utters the cry, Hu! Hu! She was a terrifying and threatening creature. She carries a huge basket on her back in which she put disobedient children she stole, taking them to her home to eat them. However, the children usually outwitted her, as she is vain, stupid and clumsy. In another aspect Dzunuk̕wa, is the possessor of the “Water of Life”, a gift she would bestow on people fortunate enough to encounter and overcome her. Her most important role is the bringer of wealth and good fortune.

In the Winter Ceremonies, Dzunuk̕wa appears in two forms. As a dancer in the T̕seka, she is a shaggy lumbering creature with half shut eyes. She is not awake enough to dance the normal four circuits around the fire, but staggers in the wrong direction and when escorted to her seat, she falls asleep. In her other role, she carries a basket of coppers that she gives to the Chief who is selling or giving them away.

The most important right of the Dzunuk̕wa is when Kwakwaka’wakw Chiefs wear a special form of this creature. At the end of required potlatch obligations to complete a hereditary Chief’s role, the Chief will put on the family’s crest representing a male Dzunuk̕wa mask called Gi’kamł. This mask characterized not by the foolish face with half closed eyes, but a strong and noble face with eyes partially opened. These masks usually include a mustache, eyebrows and locks of human hair, and are very carefully carved, representing family title and hereditary nobility. It is with this mask that hereditary Chiefs donned the Gi’kamł and carried out the intense ceremony of “Copper-Breaking”. As this highly respected and feared creature, Chiefs carried out the ceremony of cutting copper; they usually used a ceremonial knife that is carved also bearing the head of Dzunuk̕wa.

Adapted from: “Art of the Kwagu’ł Indians”, by Audrey Hawthorn.

The Dzunuk̕wa
(Dictated by Yaḵudłas, a ‘Na̱mgis, 1900).

A noble child was crying in the night. The child’s grandmother told her, “Go to sleep, or else the Dzunuk̕wa will pick you up in her arms”. The girl’s grandmother told this story to try and frighten her into behaving. That night, the child got up and left her house. Then the child screamed when she saw something that came near the house in the night. The child ran back into the house. The grandmother asked her, “Why are you afraid?” The girl replied, “What I saw, looks like a giant hairy person with a big hairy hand”. The grandmother said, “The people are just trying to frighten you. Go now!”

Then the child got ready and went out again. As soon as the child was outside, she screamed, and was now picked up by the Dzunuk̕wa in its arms. The Dzunuk̕wa took the girl down into the biba̱nagawe’ “underworld”. Then her grandparents and parents went out and tried to dig after their child. She cried loudly and could be heard from the underground. Sometimes her wailing would sound near, and then it would sound far away. Her family gave up digging. Then the Dzunuk̕wa brought the child back up, out of the underground. Then it took her inland towards the mountains. The child was taken to the Dzunuk̕wa’s house.

On their way, the child broke off hemlock branches and threw them down to make a trail. She did this in case she might escape, so she could find her way home. Then they arrived at the Dzunuk̕wa’s house. Immediately, the child was given tallow to eat. In the house there were many crab apples, dried berries, dried meat and numerous animal skins.

Then the Dzunuk̕wa looked at the child and said, “Oh, oh! How was your ear ornaments done? They are very nice. Please lend me your ear ornaments”. The child responded, “Do you have any holes in your ears? The Dzunuk̕wa said, “Not I, master, don’t ask me in vain. Go on, make holes in my ears”. The child replied, “But you are probably not able to bear the pain from the piercing, like it was when they put holes through my ears”. The Dzunuk̕wa asked, “What were they pierced with?” The child said, “They were done with branches from the spruce tree. My father was the one who did mine”. The Dzunuk̕wa begged the child to pierce her ears.

Finally, the child agreed and took a branch. Then she said, “Lie down on your back. Where is your hammer, so I can drive the holes in?” Then the child put a branch on top of the earlobe of the Dzunuk̕wa and drove it in. The Dzunuk̕wa screamed. The child said, “Don’t do this in vain; you don’t need to do this”. The Dzunuk̕wa begged her saying, “Go on, master”. So the child struck the branch with the hammer and it went right through the earlobe of the Dzunuk̕wa. Now she was nailed to the floor on one side. The floorboards of the house were very thick. Then the child also hammered a branch through the other earlobe. It also went through right into the floor. The child took four branches altogether and hammered all of them into her ears. Now the Dzunuk̕wa was dead. In the end, she just said “Oh!” And behold! She died. Then the child pushed her into the fire and burned her body.

The child ran out of the house and went straight to the trail. She saw the hemlock branches that she had broken and left on the ground. Then she came behind her family’s house. She heard her tribe singing their mourning songs. They were mourning for her because they thought she had died. Then the child waited, and when the whole tribe had gone into the house, she jumped in. Everyone stared at her. Her parents fainted. Then one man arose and took her into his arms and questioned her. He asked, “Tell us what has happened to you. What was it that took you?” She told him, “It really was a Dzunuk̕wa that carried me away”. He asked her, “How did you save yourself? How did you find your way home back?” The child replied, “The Dzunuk̕wa really wished to have earrings like mine. I told her that she probably couldn’t bear the pain of the piercing; like what was done to me. My ears were pierced by my father. That is what I told her and she still really wanted it done. So I punched the branches through the ears of the Dzunuk̕wa. Now she is dead”.

Then the child told the tribe about the many valuable things in the Dzunuk̕wa’s house. She asked them, “Let us go and gather the many kinds of valuable things that she had. There are cranberries, crabapples, dried berries, dried meats, mountain goat meat, and many animal skins”. In the morning when daylight came, the tribe started. When they arrived at the house, only the Dzunuk̕wa’s head was inside. The strong men carried everything home on their backs. They took everything, the cranberries, crabapples, dried berries, dried meats, mountain goat meat, and the animal skins. Then the people arrived at home, at the house of the child’s father. Her father hosted a feast to thank the tribe. Then he distributed the skins among the tribes and became a Chief. He was able to become a Chief because of the supernatural treasure that his child had obtained. What he gave away after his Potlatch were all the valuable things that she had found in the Dzunuk̕wa’s house. This is the end.
 
The U'mista Cultural Society has been kind enough to return my email to them regarding dsonoqua. Though the reply did not directly answer the question I asked, they were very helpful in sending along some detailed documents regarding dsonoqua. I have previously read both in my research and I'll post them here:

Can you post what they did say so we can see for ourselves if they did or didn't directly anser the question you asked? Thank you.
 
Welcome to the JREF, Just Reading. Normally, I will not post in a thread what has been sent to me by email or PM without prior consent, no matter how seemingly mundane or non-private, simply as a matter of netiquette. In this case, as you will see, so little was sent in text outside of the attachments to make that consideration a non-issue:

@U'mista Cultural Society said:
here are a couple of versions attached.

All that I have left out is the first name of the sender directly following that sentence.
 
That was noted about a year ago at the beginning of this thread.
That site is also by a JREF member. I don't want to risk my son's computer by doing any links provided here.
 

Thanks for posting that, Drew. It has been linked early in the thread and it's nice to have it up again for anyone who hasn't seen it. That is member Big Les' website and I really appreciate his interest and support. I've put a lot of research into this thread addressing what so may consider as a given with claims of Bigfoot. It's nice to have it recognized.
 
Not into security software MOS ?

Millions if not billions of people visit any site they choose these days, without fear of corrupting their PC ...

I should have separated that last sentence. My son has the new Vista and it goes into a two day virus sweep quite often when I link.
BFF has been posting porn, unintentionally hope, but the real bugs are there too, I presume.
 
I should have separated that last sentence. My son has the new Vista and it goes into a two day virus sweep quite often when I link.
BFF has been posting porn, unintentionally hope, but the real bugs are there too, I presume.


I chocolate Wednesday finger manager it kiwi.
 
It is theorized that native peoples have enjoyed a more harmonius rapport with Bigfoot. It has also been hypothesized that women attract the elusive sasquatch more easily than men. This is also the case with the use of rythmic noise.

If there was some way to unite these elements into an irresistible package for Bigfoot...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPKRnj038yE
 
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This is obviously a representaion of Bigfoot's response to rythmic stimulus such as I showed. They jack the house and stomp.
 
kitakaze - Thank you for the reply. Been gone because my grandkids killed my computer with on-line games.

So question, did they just not understand your question or they answered your question and we just don't understand?
 
So question, did they just not understand your question or they answered your question and we just don't understand?

Hard to say. I can't say for certain what they thought of the question. Everything from the correspondence is posted here. I think they took a quick look at the mail, considered it a request for information on dsonoqua, and simply attached the info their site has.

The person who answered may have never thought of Bigfoot and wouldn't really no how to answer such a question as I asked.

The important thing is that the U'mista Culural Society isn't the only org representing Kwakwaka'wakw peoples. There are other groups I can look into contacing with a similar mail. On top of that, IIRC, the dim-witted, sluggish Wild Woman of the Woods with her basket and appetite for children is part of the tales of peoples other than the Kwakwaka'wakw.

Essentially we can think of it in the sense that that was my first time corresponding with a native tribe to get answers from the source. There are lots of people to talk to about this.
 
If I were wanting to hide from the CIA.
I would like to be a Bigfoot.
 
I have been to many Sweat Lodges in the past
and I soon learned that these stories of mythological spirits
were Stories, not of sightings and blurry blobs.
But were Great Traditional Teachings.
It was interesting how these stories, or should call them Teachings
would relate to my life at the time.

Actually on the most part... especially the Elder.
Were some of the most well grounded people I have ever met.
The Elder was also a very humorous story teller.
I don't recall anyone ever mentioning Bigfoot
Maybe they never had the nerve.
The Great White Buffalo is a big part of their teachings.
But they are not out there hunting it down.
 

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