Quebec Separation

[Pardalis]

You're proving my point for me. While he could easily present himself as a candidate, he could almost certainly not get elected unless he's culturally Quebecois.

While you're trying to paint Quebecers as intolerant, I should point out that the same thing can be said of any country, it would be odd for any candidate to think of themselves not part of the country and hope at the same time to be elected by that country's population, well except maybe Peru.

BTW, alot of anglos consider themselves Quebecers, and are accepted as such. I don't see what your point is, except a lame attempt at making us look intolerant.

 

[drkitten]

While you're trying to paint Quebecers as intolerant,

Am I? I thought I was pointing out that it wouldn't be a problem if an anglophone were elected president of an independent Quebec, because anyone whom the electorate would go for would be sufficiently Quebecois that he'd still value the Quebec culture and act to protect it, even if he himself spoke English as a first language.

I thought that was actually a MORE tolerant view than the one that says that Quebecois would never vote for an anglophone under any circumstances and that independence would be a disaster because carpetbaggers might end up electing an anglophone against the wishes of the electorate.

 

[Pardalis]

Then I misunderstood you. Of course someone who doesn't want to protect the fundamental values of the country for which they are running for public office would have very little chance to be looked at favorably by the electorate. If that's what you're trying to say, then it seems like an obvious point.

It doesn't matter what this person thinks of themselves as long as they agree to protect the country's laws and identity.

 

[stilicho]

Then I misunderstood you. Of course someone who doesn't want to protect the fundamental values of the country for which they are running for public office would have very little chance to be looked at favorably by the electorate. If that's what you're trying to say, then it seems like an obvious point.

It doesn't matter what this person thinks of themselves as long as they agree to protect the country's laws and identity.

I was briefly involved with some of the Confederation of Regions people in Alberta when that appeared to be a viable concept. The issue I had was that the people framing the idea spent a lot of time arguing about how they could conceal their intolerance. The same thing happened when I saw the Reform Party's blue book from its early years.

Since the early Eighties and probably a little before, it's been no surprise that the provincial administrations in Alberta have usually sided with Quebec on issues of regional rights.

There would be a good master's thesis in Political Science to be earned by explaining the PQ/BQ and the Alberta provincial Conservative party as political equivalents. There might have already been one written and if anyone knows of one on-line I'd be interested in reading it.

Politically, the likes of Preston Manning, Ralph Klein, and Peter Lougheed have more in common with Rene Levesque, Gilles Duceppe, and Jacques Parizeau than is ordinarily admitted. Typically, Conservative governments in Ottawa have been weaker federalists than the Liberals have been. I can't see that pattern changing.

 

[Pardalis]

There would be a good master's thesis in Political Science to be earned by explaining the PQ/BQ and the Alberta provincial Conservative party as political equivalents. There might have already been one written and if anyone knows of one on-line I'd be interested in reading it.

Politically, the likes of Preston Manning, Ralph Klein, and Peter Lougheed have more in common with Rene Levesque, Gilles Duceppe, and Jacques Parizeau than is ordinarily admitted. Typically, Conservative governments in Ottawa have been weaker federalists than the Liberals have been. I can't see that pattern changing.

The only thing that is similar between the two is that both want more autonomy, and less federalism.

But to compare the two (Conservatives and Social-Democrats) in any other way is absolutely grotesque.

 

[gtc]

To be fair to him, that was the way in which he was comparing them.

 

[D'rok]

I was briefly involved with some of the Confederation of Regions people in Alberta when that appeared to be a viable concept. The issue I had was that the people framing the idea spent a lot of time arguing about how they could conceal their intolerance. The same thing happened when I saw the Reform Party's blue book from its early years.

Since the early Eighties and probably a little before, it's been no surprise that the provincial administrations in Alberta have usually sided with Quebec on issues of regional rights.

There would be a good master's thesis in Political Science to be earned by explaining the PQ/BQ and the Alberta provincial Conservative party as political equivalents. There might have already been one written and if anyone knows of one on-line I'd be interested in reading it.

Politically, the likes of Preston Manning, Ralph Klein, and Peter Lougheed have more in common with Rene Levesque, Gilles Duceppe, and Jacques Parizeau than is ordinarily admitted. Typically, Conservative governments in Ottawa have been weaker federalists than the Liberals have been. I can't see that pattern changing.

Preston was never a part of the Provincial Progressive Conservatives - or the Federal Tories, for that matter. Neither King Ralph nor Lougheed (nor Preston) were ever interested in breaking up the country. (Although they were three breeds of political scum). There is no comparison between any of them, the parties they lead, and the BQ.

 

[D'rok]

The only thing that is similar between the two is that both want more autonomy, and less federalism.

Just to pick a nit. What the Alberta populists want is more federalism and less centralization of power. Federalism means division of power. The BQ wants independence, but they'll settle for more federalism in the mean time.

 

[drkitten]

Preston was never a part of the Provincial Progressive Conservatives - or the Federal Tories, for that matter. Neither King Ralph nor Lougheed (nor Preston) were ever interested in breaking up the country. (Although they were three breeds of political scum). There is no comparison between any of them, the parties they lead, and the BQ.

That sounds a lot to me like a politically-driven conclusion in advance of the evidence. I'm sure that a detailed study of ANY two political groups would come up with literally dozens of similarities and equally dozens of differences. To state that there is "no comparison" is silly.

 

[D'rok]

That sounds a lot to me like a politically-driven conclusion in advance of the evidence. I'm sure that a detailed study of ANY two political groups would come up with literally dozens of similarities and equally dozens of differences. To state that there is "no comparison" is silly.

Technically, you're correct. They're all members of the species homo sapiens.

Although I can't be too sure about Preston Manning. He did spawn the career of Harper, after all.