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SPR Study Day - The Psychology of the Sceptic

maatorc said:
If you are just imagining you are there and you are conscious you are just imagining it you will also be conscious that you are not mentally actually there because you are not mentally experiencing the place as you would if you actually were mentally there, even allowing for the fact you do not actually 'go' anywhere.
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So you can tell the difference because it feels different?
 
fls said:
How do you decide which particular mental states are called psychic experiences and which are not? For example, do you call hypnagogic hallucinations 'psychic'? If not, why not? If you do, what additional information does the use of the word 'psychic' impart to the description? Linda
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I gather there is a consensus of pathology as a function of narcolepsy regarding hypnagogic hallucination.
Clearly, people can take problems to and bring problems from sleep.
It also seems some can bring solutions from sleep.
'Psychic' is not a metaphor for 'good' or 'balance' or 'harmony' and the like.

Allow me here a final comment so as not to hijack the thread.
I hope you find it interesting.

A friend studied and pondered the true meaning of a word-concept of human nature and meaning for about twenty years.
He one night had a very clear dream. He does not describe it as 'lucid' although he is familiar with the literature.

(... The Dream :
I am at the edge of a forest.
A person of ambiguous sexuality is walking away into the darkness of the undergrowth.
A voice says: "That person was one of the resistance during the war."
I am next wearing a swimming costume and lying face down on a beach fronting an ocean. The Sun is warm and pleasant and everything is calm.
A woman wearing a swimming costume is kneeling in the sand about twenty feet to my left.
As I notice her she says: "I see you have come out of it at last.", as though I had been in a long sleep.
I ask: "Who are you?"
She replies: "My name is Martha."
I ask: "Where are you from?"
She replies: "I have been here all the time."
We are at ease together. ...)

My friend explained to me that the name of the woman is an anagram of the word-concept he had been concentrating on for so long a time, and now totally comprehends.
 
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maatorc said:
I gather there is a consensus of pathology as a function of narcolepsy regarding hypnagogic hallucination...
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That would be wrong. Narcolepsy is pathological and nothing like hypnogogic experiences, which are not.
In addition, there is no English word that is an anagram of "Martha" that I know of.
 
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Jeff Corey said:
That would be wrong. Narcolepsy is pathological and nothing like hypnogogic experiences, which are not.
In addition, there is no English word that is an anagram of "Martha" that I know of.
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If you're a polygamous Yorkshireman, you could be on your way to t' harem.
 
fls said:
I am disappointed that you were unable to answer any of my questions. Linda
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Sorry about that as I thought you would be the one person here who would understand what is really being said. No matter; we can move on.
 
maatorc said:
Sorry about that as I thought you would be the one person here who would understand what is really being said. No matter; we can move on.
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I knew you were going to say that. :)

Realistically, the OP is dead. I think we've all had our laugh at just how profoundly ironic this thread has been, and Limbo won't engage in discussion anyway, leaving us free to pursue our own interests.

I can understand what is being said. I still can't tell whether you can. I was hoping you'd break the symmetry for me.

Linda
 
fls said:
I knew you were going to say that. :)

Realistically, the OP is dead. I think we've all had our laugh at just how profoundly ironic this thread has been, and Limbo won't engage in discussion anyway, leaving us free to pursue our own interests.
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Discussion is useless. You see the faces, and I see the chalice. Or vice-versa. I'm pretty much just observing.

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Limbo said:
You see the faces, and I see the chalice. Or vice-versa.
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I can see both. But I still can't see how people who use the scientific method to check the accuracy of their perceptions and compensate for their acknowledged unconscious biases are just as likely to be fooled by them as those who don't. Sorry.
 
Limbo said:
Discussion is useless. You see the faces, and I see the chalice. Or vice-versa. I'm pretty much just observing.
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That's a useful analogy. It's fairly clear that your intention is to consider it as two equivalent (at the very least) perspectives and that the choice of one hides the other. Instead, I would point out that science not only recognizes the symmetry of both perspectives, it also recognizes that the symmetry is broken as one zooms out and discovers that, as the picture resolves, the faces are excluded while the chalice takes shape.

Linda
 
fls said:
I am disappointed that you were unable to answer any of my questions.

Linda
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Well he says he doesn't want to hijack the thread. Perhaps you could create a new topic thread and invite maatorc to answer your questions. I'm curious as to how he'll respond :)
 
I think it's back to the idea that people who belive in ESP are predisposed to find patterns in meaningless events. Did anyone else see that one of paranormalia's recent blog posts was about coincidence?

I think a better analogy would be that you see two triangles, while I say there are no triangles at all.
 

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blutoski said:
It's not just my opinion, though. My current employment involves internet based marketing, and it is simply a fact that online participation is not a good model for real-world activity. See Jacob Nielsen's work over the last 15 years for the hard data behind this.
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At the risk of flogging a dead horse or further derailing the thread... I was just reviewing the literature regarding the difference between online versus real-world behavior, and an online nonfiction title caught my attention: [CyberPsychology and Behavior]. In particular, the chapter on [The Online Disinhibition Effect]. Author even has a blog: [Psychology of Cyberspace].
 
Ersby said:
I think it's back to the idea that people who belive in ESP are predisposed to find patterns in meaningless events. Did anyone else see that one of paranormalia's recent blog posts was about coincidence?

I think a better analogy would be that you see two triangles, while I say there are no triangles at all.
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There would have been a triangle, if PacMan hadn't eaten part of it.
 
Limbo said:
Discussion is useless. You see the faces, and I see the chalice. Or vice-versa. I'm pretty much just observing.

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You may have better luck with these:
 
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