Down wind faster than the wind

[spork]

WOW that spewage was even worse than usual. But again, lots more words (stuck together in a mostly random fashion) - and not yet a single prediction or test to prove or disprove his "theory".

So humber, I'm dying to know what you do for a living - specifically. Don't tell me you "consult" or "work for the government". What do you actually do?

 

[humber]

WOW that spewage seems even worse than usual. But again, lots more words (stuck together in a mostly random fashion) - and not yet a single prediction or test to prove or disprove his "theory".

Do the test.

 

[fredriks]

It is not possible to clearly see the drive wheel, that is the important wheel. but the claim is that it is that of the belt. The prop rpm is related to that. It can therefore be calculated to see if that is so.
All the time. The cart goes no faster than it appears to.

I was interested in what you mean with floating and what speed you think the wheels has.

I understand the explanation based on Newtonian mechanics but I don't understand the explanation based on humbarian mechanics.

So what is the wheel speed if we analys the cart with humbarian mechanics.

 

[spork]

I can predict how your little toy works just by looking at it.

And yet you refuse to offer a single prediction after 63 pages of spewage on your part.

Do the test as described.

You've been asked to describe a test hundreds of times - and you simply refuse to describe one.

So you agree...

Of course I don't agree. I rarely even understand your random sentence fragment gibberish.

 

[humber]

I was interested in what you mean with floating and what speed you think the wheels has.

I understand the explanation based on Newtonian mechanics but I don't understand the explanation based on humbarian mechanics.

So what is the wheel speed if we analys the cart with humbarian mechanics.

It is as you would expect. That of the belt. If slipping is of concern to you, then propellor can be monitored with a stroboscopic light. This will reveal slipping, and allow the rpm to be calculated.

 

[spork]

Do the test.

O.K. Fair enough. You got me. So I finally did the test. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pSYALWQ-nI

We followed your test protocol exactly. Unfortunately, the very clear predictions you made were conclusively proven wrong.

 

[humber]

And yet you refuse to offer a single prediction after 63 pages of spewage on your part.

The test is quite clear. As is the reason for your refusal.

You've been asked to describe a test hundreds of times - and you simply refuse to describe one.

Inclined belt tests, power tests, guided wire tests, weights, two carts pulling each other, measuring the drag to the belt with a spring balance...
Quite a few; all refused by you, and none performed.

Of course I don't agree. I rarely even understand your random sentence fragment gibberish.

I agree with you that your understanding is limited.

 

[humber]

O.K. Fair enough. You got me. So I finally did the test. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pSYALWQ-nI

We followed your test protocol exactly. Unfortunately, the very clear predictions you made were conclusively proven wrong.

That is so lame, not only because it is the original tape, but demonstrates that it does just slide around.

ETA:
It looks just like a car spinning it's wheels on ice, but vaugely going in one direction.
How much force do you need to move a car on smooth ice? And an ice puck?

 

[spork]

We did them all. They're all in that video - exactly to your very detailed protocol. And all your very specific predictions were proved wrong.

 

[spork]

That is so lame, not only because it is the original tape, but demonstrates that it does just slide around.

Nope - I made that video just now, carefully following your exact test protocol. As you can see your predictions proved to be completely incorrect.

 

[fredriks]

I finally understand humberian mechanics

Put the cart on a treadmill and it obviously levitates above the treadmill due to quarks and other QM particles jumping from the belt to the treadmill. It not only levitates but the jumping particles also make the wheels rotated in a non slip fashion. The levitation cart clearly has no friction so it stays in the same place. It might also advance on the treadmill when the quarks are really happy.

This is of course only happen on a treadmill. The quarks don't like real wind over a road and don't make the cart levitate over a road. Only a fool believe a cart over a road can levitate.

The cart is obviously not good because the mass is less than the quark repellent force.

This can of course be proved by putting a 1 ton stone on the cart. I bet that it don't are going to advance any more after that.

Humberian physics is clearly an universal theory that show the connection with QM, newtonian physics and treadmills. Physicist before humber had a real problem understanding the strange things that happens around treadmill. The levitation cart was one of there main problems to understand.

 

[humber]

Nope - I made that video just now, carefully following your exact test protocol. As you can see your predictions proved to be completely incorrect.

Can't be. That's the same video. It still slips, like it's on ice.
It is easy to move, like a puck on ice. I wonder whay you could do to a puck, to make it less easy to slide?

 

[humber]

I finally understand humberian mechanics

Put the cart on a treadmill and it obviously levitates above the treadmill due to quarks and other QM particles jumping from the belt to the treadmill. It not only levitates but the jumping particles also make the wheels rotated in a non slip fashion. The levitation cart clearly has no friction so it stays in the same place. It might also advance on the treadmill when the .....

You are right, a hovercraft can't work.

 

[fredriks]

ETA:
It looks just like a car spinning it's wheels on ice, but vaugely going in one direction.

Do you even try to be consistent? Do you have any clue what you have written in the past?

Now are the wheels spinning but your last posts seems to suggest that the wheels turn at the same speed as the treadmill.

 

[fredriks]

You are right, a hovercraft can't work.

The cart is now a hovercraft. Nice, I thought an hovercraft looked different, a fan pointing downward and some kind of skirt but I now see my mistake. A hovercraft is anything that levitates. The cart levitates clearly due to humberian physics and it is thus an hovercraft. Note, that it is only a hovercraft on a treadmill and not an a road.

 

[humber]

Do you even try to be consistent? Do you have any clue what you have written in the past?

Now are the wheels spinning but your last posts seems to suggest that the wheels turn at the same speed as the treadmill.

Do you think if the ice were moving rather than the wheel, that an unloaded wheel might spin at the speed dictated by the ice? Do think that if you put your hand on that wheel, it might slow it?

Did I say the cart was a hovercraft, or did you do that for me?
The friction is low, the load is low with a cart on a belt. A car on ice, spinning its wheels, has similar properties.

 

[fredriks]

Hard to say because I don't know if the levitation making quarks like moving ice or not.

About the treadmill. Once again. How fast to you believe the wheels on the unloaded cart spin when it is on a treadmill?

Faster or slower than (belt speed)/wheel radii?

edit: I believe an unloaded wheel wouldn't spin over ice but that a highly loaded wheel would spin over ice. This probably goes against humber second law though.

 

[humber]

Hard to say because I don't know if the levitation making quarks like moving ice or not.

About the treadmill. Once again. How fast to you believe the wheels on the unloaded cart spin when it is on a treadmill?

Faster or slower than (belt speed)/wheel radii?

I have given you that answer, twice.

 

[fredriks]

I have given you that answer, twice.

Twice is not the same as two completely different answers.

 

[sol invictus]

So your argument now is that the cart is hovering above the belt, but the wheels are not slipping? If so, how can you tell when it is not hovering?

Always has been. I have said that it is floating above the belt, scarcely in contact withe the belt...
When it does not slip and slide as indicated in the video. When the friction is comparable to that of the road it is said to emulate.

Hey humber - do Spork and JB have to say "woo woo woo" to get it to levitate like that?