How 9/11 was done

[calebprime]

Let me know if you're still not satisfied.

Sparky beat me to it.

This is pitch-shifting with formant filtering for more realism.

It still doesn't do what you need.

Your Mossad agent will sound like a convincingly high-pitched Mossad agent, not Mark Bingham. (or whatever)

The formant filtering is what prevents the Donald Duck effect, but you still have to have a much, much, much, more sophisticated processing to be able to do what would be needed in your fictional scenario.

 

[lapman]

You have not proven anything.

I never said that I proved it

The 'best' answer regarding the dancing Israelis you guys could come up with was that maybe these Israelis were cheering for 'something else' (with the camera's pointing towards the smoking towers). I mocked that it must have been that the other night FC Jerusalem had beaten Tel Aviv United 2-1. Nobody protested.

However, you have yet to prove that they were dancing, happy, setup before the first crash, etc. Their camera was one of thousands of cameras pointed at the towers. You have proven nothing.

The CD of WTC is by no means proven to be incorrect.

The fact that there is not one single audio recording of the explosive sequence that accompanies 100% of all controlled demolition is conclusive prove that the WTC was not a CD. This is something that you and the rest of the terrorist apologist run away from 100% of the time. Since you have yet to provide such evidence, you lose. Period. End of story. There absolutely cannot be a CD by explosives without sound.

Dream on.

Follow you're own advice.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

I'm not sure that EMH is right; so far as I know Silverstein did lease the buildings.

Okay, now I'm starting to get confused. A news story about the court decision capping the insurance payout implies Silverstein is the owner:

Baer summarized — and dismissed — the insureds' argument:
"In short, they claim the appraising insurers should be required to pay not just for brand new buildings, but for far better properties than the insureds would have owned if the attacks of September 11 had never occurred.

(My bolding) http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2006/10/31/73805.htm

And this one in the Columbia Journalism Review states that he completed purchase in July of 2001:
http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/business_press_failure_at_grou.php

The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation specifically singles out Silverstein properties as the "Owner/Developer":
http://www.renewnyc.com/content/pdfs/freedom_tower_team.pdf

But, Dr. A got me searching, and I'm also finding articles identifying Silverstein as the "leaseholder" or "developer", but specifically not saying "owner" in contexts where you'd expect that word to be used. Here's one example:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_wsj-the_weekend_interview.htm

... where Silverstein is explicitly mentioned as one day wanting to "own" the towers. But also comes out and says he got "control".

Further muddying the waters, some of them don't make the distinction I thought was crystal clear when I was writing yesterday (the difference between owning the land and the buildings). So I'm starting to wonder if we all here haven't oversimplified the business relationship. I admit, I'm finding contradictory information here.

In all due respect to Dr. Adequate, I still believe I'm right. I still think Silverstein owns the structures. But I admit, information I'm finding now is making me wonder how well I understand Silverstein's ownership/control/relationship to the WTC site and buildings.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I'm still not convinced. I noticed that this software does not alter speech patterns and inflection.

For example, I have a very relaxed way of speaking. You might even call it a "drawl". Even if you could match the frequency and timbre of my voice exactly, you'll never be able to match my particular pattern and pronunciation in realtime.

Sorry. Nice try.

Read the link in post #1255; what you say matches with the observed 'calmness' (read: lack of emotion) that all recipients observed. 'Crank call', like 'ordering a pizza'. It was not just the inability of the Mossad agent to play a dramatic role, it was the voice morphing software that gave the voices a machine-like equalized quality.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I am one of the readers of this thread and I am just wondering if you are now in a position to answer this post after 31 pages as you haven’t the previous times it was asked of you?

Do you have the faintest idea of how much work that is? I am (almost) alone here, sacrificing most of my spare time, against 20 or more people who have each 1000 or more posts under their belt and simply can parrot what NIST and Popular Mechanics and 911myths have spelled out for them.

It is, of course, a little dated as it was so far back in the thread and you have added a lot of requirements for your STORY since then. May-be Dr Adequate will feel inclined to update it. This reader would be interested, as to your opinion. It doesn’t look good for you narrative when you ignore well posed questions.

I do not think I added many additional requirements. The one I can remember is the anesthetizing gas; forgot any?

 

[9/11-investigator]

And? What do you plan to do? Are you going to file a criminal complaint against the Israeli government? Did you know someone that died on 9/11? As far as I can tell, no citizens of the Netherlands died in the attack. What is your motivation?

Destroying the agenda of diabolical globalists and other NWO types. Bringing Ron Paul to power. Abandon NATO. Fulfill the Gaullist agenda of the Europe of the Fatherlands, save at least Quebec from the coming North American Union, bring about Samuel Huntington's multi-polar world.

No, I'm just kidding.

 

[Sabrina]

This is my personal favorite from the collection:

7) Todd Beamer talked for 13 minutes with GTE-Verizon supervisor Lisa Jefferson. According to Jefferson, Beamer "was amazingly calm and composed as he told her of the hijacking of Flight 93 and passengers' plans to rush their captors." [31] Jefferson said he "stayed calm through the entire conversation. He made me doubt the severity of the call." [32] She later told Beamer's wife, "If I hadn't known it was a real hijacking, I'd have thought it was a crank call, because Todd was so rational and methodical about what he was doing." [33]

Except for 1 or 2 cases this was the general pattern.

Once again, you fail to understand human nature. It is NATURAL for people to be calm and rational once the initial shock of a crisis situation is past! The passengers on Flight 93 were in a holding pattern once the plane was hijacked for quite some time; did you expect them to be hysterical, blabbering idiots for forty minutes? They would have had a chance to calm themselves and begin to think rationally, at which point they would have wanted more information to help them decide on a course of action, leading to the phone calls, WHICH THEY NATURALLY WOULD HAVE SOUNDED CALM IN BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO BECOME CALM IN THE MEANTIME!

I'm leaning more and more twoard you being deliberately obtuse in regards to your points simply to spark the desired response, 9/11 investigator. No real investigator worth his/her salt would blatantly disregard evidence that flies in the face of their theory without an ulterior motive, and I have to wonder exactly what yours is, because it's becoming more and more clear that you have one.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

The CD of WTC is by no means proven to be incorrect.

Excuse me whilst I slap my thigh in reaction to your jolly jest.

In case you've missed it, the "CD of WTC [sic]" on 9/11 was 100% impossible. That you seem to want to ignore that reality and then pretend it is the default position for which alternate proof must be presented to nullify it is, again, fuh-nee!

Dream on.

Still no evidence? Ah well.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

This is my personal favorite from the collection:

7) Todd Beamer talked for 13 minutes with GTE-Verizon supervisor Lisa Jefferson. According to Jefferson, Beamer "was amazingly calm and composed as he told her of the hijacking of Flight 93 and passengers' plans to rush their captors." [31] Jefferson said he "stayed calm through the entire conversation. He made me doubt the severity of the call." [32] She later told Beamer's wife, "If I hadn't known it was a real hijacking, I'd have thought it was a crank call, because Todd was so rational and methodical about what he was doing." [33]

Except for 1 or 2 cases this was the general pattern.

People in extreme situations and acting surprisingly calm is pretty common. Certainly no indication of fowl play at all. But if truthers aren't blaming the Jews, it's the firemen. If it's not the firemen, it's the victims. Have you contacted the woman?

 

[Trojan]

I have said that many times before. 'My' theory is based on 2 pillars: 1) CD WTC 2) dancing Israelis identified as Mossad agents who clearly had foreknowledge.

To focus on the dancers - why would an organization, so professional and so exact in its planning to pull off 911, set up a camera on a public street and have its agents dancing in delight for all to see?

Does something seem wrong with this?

 

[ktesibios]

I'm still not convinced. I noticed that this software does not alter speech patterns and inflection.

For example, I have a very relaxed way of speaking. You might even call it a "drawl". Even if you could match the frequency and timbre of my voice exactly, you'll never be able to match my particular pattern and pronunciation in realtime.

Sorry. Nice try.

I have an accent which is an amalgam of South Jersey, where I grew up, Chicago, southern Illinois (from my Mom, who grew up in Chicago and went to college in Carlinville IL and then taught school for several years in Farina IL), Philadelphia, where I lived for twenty years and Southern California, where I've lived the last nine years.

Moreover, my pronunciation of many words changes irregularly- "eggs" and "legs" might come out with short "e"s or as "aigs" and "laigs", like Li'l Abner. "Chocolate" might be "'tʃʰɑːk lɪt" or "'tʃʰɔːk lɪt". "Chicago" will almost always be pronounced correctly- "shi-caw'-go", but if there's a pattern to the variations it escapes me.

It would take some very extensive samples of my speech to copy my way of speaking- and even then I doubt whether even a computer could get it right.

 

[Senenmut]

You have not proven anything.

The 'best' answer regarding the dancing Israelis you guys could come up with was that maybe these Israelis were cheering for 'something else' (with the camera's pointing towards the smoking towers). I mocked that it must have been that the other night FC Jerusalem had beaten Tel Aviv United 2-1. Nobody protested.

The CD of WTC is by no means proven to be incorrect.

Dream on.

have you thought about maybe those video camera your talking about are not really video cameras but laser targeting systems. one plane hit north and the other from the south. the mossad weehawken warehouse was up north and where the israelis were seen was from a south viewpoint of the towers. from the pictures they develped, it sounds as though they were just from a camera, not a video camera (dude with a cigeratte lighter in his hand with the wtc burning in the background).

this line of thinking gets into the whole pod theory on flight 175. here is a video to show ya what im talking about. their theory goes into a uav doing the laser targeting but i wonder if the boots on the ground were really the ones!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr4BJ89Df5Q&annotation_id=annotation_487237&feature=iv

now if u really want an indepth tutorial, this guy goes into detail showing military pods.

http://letsrollforums.com/laser-light-painting-world-t16901.html

 

[LashL]

It's very simple. PANYNJ owns the site, Silverstein owned the buildings. Silverstein leases the land in return for putting his own buildings on it and generating business that way. The person with the proper standing to sue is the owner of the buildings, because those were what got destroyed by the jet impacts and fires on 9/11. With the buildings gone, he has no income from the tenants, but with the land still there and leased to him, he's still forced to pay his lease to PANYNJ

This is not accurate, actually. Silverstein's company leased buildings 1, 2, 4 and 5 from the PANYNJ, but the PANYNJ maintained ownership of both the land and the buildings. What Silverstein Properties purchased from the PANYNJ was a 99 year leasehold interest in those four buildings; it did not purchase the buildings or the land. Silverstein Properties became, in essence, a master lessor and the tenants became sub-lessees to that leasehold interest. The terms of the 99 year lease between Silverstein Properties and the PANYNJ are what require Silverstein Properties to continue to pay rent to the PANYNJ despite the destruction of the buildings, just as the terms of the 99 year lease required Silverstein Properties to insure the buildings, etc.

 

[Dave Rogers]

You err when you think that I want to attempt to change your mind or that I want to influence casual readers of this site. I could not care less. My time is too valuable for these kind of games. So forget this BS about 'tricks'. What I want is to discover the weak spots in my theory and to adapt the theory if necessary.

So you originally said. Yet when weak spots in your theory are pointed out, you contemptuously dismiss them and refuse to adapt the theory on the grounds that, since an unreliable and biased source gives information that can be misinterpreted to suggest that it supports your theory, your original claim is therefore supported. Clearly you're not interested in considering criticism, only in fending it off. Therefore, I simply don't believe that you're being honest about yout intentions here, because your behaviour contradicts your stated purpose.

Dave

 

[9/11-investigator]

Once again, you fail to understand human nature. It is NATURAL for people to be calm and rational once the initial shock of a crisis situation is past! The passengers on Flight 93 were in a holding pattern once the plane was hijacked for quite some time; did you expect them to be hysterical, blabbering idiots for forty minutes? They would have had a chance to calm themselves and begin to think rationally, at which point they would have wanted more information to help them decide on a course of action, leading to the phone calls, WHICH THEY NATURALLY WOULD HAVE SOUNDED CALM IN BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO BECOME CALM IN THE MEANTIME!

Here are recordings from real people in distress, the people trapped in the Twin Towers:
Kevin Cosgrove: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK8qJ1cJ9EA
Woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QsdUevUQgk

They are able to dial a number and have a rational conversation. But they are clearly in distress. There is emotion in their voices because they are in immanent danger.

The callers from flight93 supposedly knew that the other planes had flown into the Twin Towers and they could have figured out that a similar fate was waiting them and still they sounded like they were ordering a pizza or waging a 'crank call'.

I think that you are the one who needs some extra studying of human nature.

I'm leaning more and more twoard you being deliberately obtuse in regards to your points simply to spark the desired response, 9/11 investigator. No real investigator worth his/her salt would blatantly disregard evidence that flies in the face of their theory without an ulterior motive, and I have to wonder exactly what yours is, because it's becoming more and more clear that you have one.

Sure I have. I do not want to see the West turn into a new Sovjet-Union, just because a small group of globalist NWO-ers decided to hijack the place, reintroduce torture, create a police state, start wars everywhere, antagonize Russia with color coded revolutions, place missiles in Europe, etc.

 

[9/11-investigator]

This is not accurate, actually. Silverstein's company leased buildings 1, 2, 4 and 5 from the PANYNJ, but the PANYNJ maintained ownership of both the land and the buildings. What Silverstein Properties purchased from the PANYNJ was a 99 year leasehold interest in those four buildings; it did not purchase the buildings or the land. Silverstein Properties became, in essence, a master lessor and the tenants became sub-lessees to that leasehold interest. The terms of the 99 year lease between Silverstein Properties and the PANYNJ are what require Silverstein Properties to continue to pay rent to the PANYNJ despite the destruction of the buildings, just as the terms of the 99 year lease required Silverstein Properties to insure the buildings, etc.

When I read about Silverstein and WTC there are always 2 figures: a 3.2 billion figure and a monthly 10 million figure.

If this 10 million is the monthly rent then what is this 3.2 billion figure?

 

[Dr Adequate]

Read the link in post #1255; what you say matches with the observed 'calmness' (read: lack of emotion) that all recipients observed. 'Crank call', like 'ordering a pizza'. It was not just the inability of the Mossad agent to play a dramatic role, it was the voice morphing software that gave the voices a machine-like equalized quality.

So, since we have determined that Mossad can't fake emotion, are we to conclude that the calls that sounded panicky were perfectly genuine?

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[Dave Rogers]

When I read about Silverstein and WTC there are always 2 figures: a 3.2 billion figure and a monthly 10 million figure.

If this 10 million is the monthly rent then what is this 3.2 billion figure?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leasehold

As I already explained, the 3.2 billion is the proce of the leasehold. Leasehold tenancy is a very common form of ownership. There are two types of payment involved: the leasehold price, an initial payment for the right to rent a property for a fixed period; and the rent, a peroidic payment for occupation and use of the property under the terms of the lease. The leasehold can be bought and sold like any other form of property ownership, but at any time the leaseholder is obliged to pay rent to the landlord. This is very basic property law.

Dave

 

[Bell]

Here are recordings from real people in distress, the people trapped in the Twin Towers:
Kevin Cosgrove: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK8qJ1cJ9EA
Woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QsdUevUQgk

They are able to dial a number and have a rational conversation. But they are clearly in distress. There is emotion in their voices because they are in immanent danger.

Oh. My. God.

Have you even listened to those conversations? Have you not heard the description that Kevin Cosgrove and Melissa Doi (that's the woman FYI) gave of their situation?

Now, what immanent danger were Kevin Cosgrove and Melissa Doi facing? And how do YOU compare their situation to those of the passengers?

 

[Dr Adequate]

When I read about Silverstein and WTC there are always 2 figures: a 3.2 billion figure and a monthly 10 million figure.

If this 10 million is the monthly rent then what is this 3.2 billion figure?

$3.2 billion is the total to be paid for the 99-year lease. $616 million was paid as a downpayment, the rest is in installments.