How 9/11 was done

[ElMondoHummus]

Because the man whom you occasionally refer to as "Lucky" Larry took out a 99-year lease on the site six weeks before it was attacked.

Yes, it does seem a little unfair on the poor guy, doesn't it?

Not to forget something mentioned earlier in this thread (he seems to ignore a lot of what gets pointed out in this thread, doesn't he?), which is that Silverstein's insurance award doesn't come close to matching what he's paying out to rebuild the site. So I'm at a loss as to how Larry is so "lucky" when he supposedly participated in a plot costing him billions (not just millions) of dollars.

But hey, he's Jewish... he's got to be guilty somehow because of that, right?

 

[dtugg]

Not to forget something mentioned earlier in this thread (he seems to ignore a lot of what gets pointed out in this thread, doesn't he?), which is that Silverstein's insurance award doesn't come close to matching what he's paying out to rebuild the site. So I'm at a loss as to how Larry is so "lucky" when he supposedly participated in a plot costing him billions (not just millions) of dollars.

But hey, he's Jewish... he's got to be guilty somehow because of that, right?

Yep, it makes no sense whatsoever. If he was an actual conspirator, he would have insured the site for much more than he did. This, maybe, would have been slightly more suspicious but it still would not have come close to proving anything. If memory serves me correctly, he had to give the rights of the Freedom Tower (and maybe other buildings), the central building in the new complex, back to the Port Authority because he doesn't have enough money. But, hey let's not let that get in the way of a Lucky Larry joooo job.

Damn joooooz! How come they are not smart enough to at least make money off of their evil schemes (or make sure they don't lose any)? Jooos care nothing other than their jooooo gold, correct?

 

[stilicho]

But hey, he's Jewish... he's got to be guilty somehow because of that, right?

This is the first time that I've seen the "insurance scheme" combined with allegations of a plot to steal money from Germans. Not to mention that Jacques Dubois of Swiss Re (who was adamantly critical of the 'two event' claim) sounds suspiciously Gallic.

 

[Sabrina]

Oh sorry, slipped through.

Overview of all the phone calls.

Sure, if you can prove that these 3 guys did not make a phone call (that could be sampled) between their late booking and their actual boarding, then I am in deep trouble. Success with your efforts!

Now that you mention these people:

Passenger Jeremy Glick calls his wife, Lyz, at 9:37. She later recalls, “He was so calm, the plane sounded so calm, that if I hadn’t seen what was going on on the TV, I wouldn’t have believed it.” She says, “I was surprised by how calm it seemed in the background. I didn’t hear any screaming. I didn’t hear any noises. I didn’t hear any commotion.”

(A sad confirmation of the observed fact that if people see something on TV they then think it is necessarily true, while it would be far wiser if she had trusted her instinct and thus had seen through the scam she was subjected to; for the rest my tip to the Mossad would be, if they read along, next time throw in some screams from Arabs; sound samples are easily obtained from the Gaza strip).

Passenger Lauren Grandcolas calls her husband, Jack, at 9:39, and leaves a message on the answering machine. According to journalist and author Jere Longman, “It sounded to Jack as if she were driving home from the grocery store or ordering a pizza.” Jack Grandcolas later says, “She sounded calm.” He describes, “There is absolutely no background noise on her message. You can’t hear people screaming or yelling or crying. It’s very calm, the whole cabin, the background, there’s really very little sound.”

It is indeed not easy to fake emotion and angst if you have trouble suppressing the urge to laugh your *ss off while fooling these people.

Oooorrrr.... we could go with the passengers were trying like heck not to alert the hijackers to the fact that they were making phone calls and were being quiet for that reason, because A) They weren't sure what sort of armament the hijackers had on them, and B) They were attemping to stay low while coming up with a plan to foil the plot.

You know, the sane, logical, time and battle-tested reason.

 

[stateofgrace]

Ah yes, this barbaric, medieval idea of plea-bargaining. Together with torture methods like water boarding, advocated by people like Dershovitz, another prominent member of the ruling class in the US.

Judge to KSM, who still has a wet face from semi-drowning: "Listen KSM, we're nice people and we want to make a deal. We are going to kill you. However, if you confess we can offer you life imprisonment. Please sign here".

Speculation.

So when you said...............

I'm sorry, but KSM withdrew his 'confession'. Probably not water boarded long enough. I advise kicking in the testicles; that worked rather well in 1945.

You were just lying, right? He as not withdrawn his confession and it totally dishonest of you to say he had, right?

Basically you lied and refuse to acknowledge your lie, correct?

(Please allow this mods, it is not a personnel attack, I wish this member to accept he lied, acknowledge his lies and give him the opportunity to retract his lies.)

 

[twinstead]

You know, the sane, logical, time and battle-tested reason.

It doesn't appear that 9/11-investigator even considers that reason. To me, a quiet, subdued and serious conversation is exactly what one would expect in that situation. I'm very sure all the screaming was already over by the time the phone calls started.

 

[Senenmut]

911 investigator-
have u read this article from the bbc. this ties into your theory. the president of yemen has come out and said the israeli intel was behind the bombing of the american embassy in yemen!! there are a few articles on this and one states that the presidnt of yemen said the cell had links to olmerts office!! didnt the office of special plans have a direct link to that same office!! haha. i remember reading an article from reuters i believe that stated the terrorists were tied to al qaeda in iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7656807.stm
from link-

Yemen seizes 'Israel-linked' cell

Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh has said the security forces have arrested a group of alleged Islamist militants linked to Israeli intelligence.

"A terrorist cell was arrested and will be referred to the judicial authorities for its links with the Israeli intelligence services," Mr Saleh told a gathering at al-Mukalla University in Hadramawt province.
"Details of the trial will be announced later. You will hear about what goes on in the proceedings," he added.
The 17 September attack was the second to target the US embassy since April. Militants detonated car bombs before firing rockets at the heavily fortified building.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Conspirator in my definition means somebody who really has to do something: come up with an integral plan in the first place (Zakheim), get a lease for WTC (Silverstein), instruct the Mossad to take action (Bibi, Olmert), persuade the US-gov to go to war and accept (prefabricated) Patriot Act (Cheney), play the local hero (Giulliani), let Menahem Atzmon organize that specific people have access to the planes in Boston to change the software and place canisters with gas and let the Israelis who checked in escape via a side exit and post the pictures of the 'hijackers' to the media. Let Jerome Hauer 'do the media' on 9/11. Let the Kroll brothers who became responsible for the WTC security make sure that specific vans get access to the parking garage in the basement and that specific elevators are put out of operation for 'maintenance purposes'. Let a team around demotion expert Peer Segalovitz mount the charges into the elevator shafts. Let Pete Zalewski "while trying to establish contact with the planes" send a new flight plan up via the ACARS system to the planes after he has ascertained that nobody in the cockpits respond to him anymore (and he can assume that the pilots are dead). Let Dominic Sutter handle the war room where the phone calls are being fabricated.

Fiction, fable, and fantasy.

Unless you have evidence. Which, considering none of what you suggest actually happened, you will never provide.

Where are the holes?

Must. Resist. Temptation.

 

[stateofgrace]

I am curious. How does this................

Ah yes, this barbaric, medieval idea of plea-bargaining. Together with torture methods like water boarding, advocated by people like Dershovitz, another prominent member of the ruling class in the US.

Judge to KSM, who still has a wet face from semi-drowning: "Listen KSM, we're nice people and we want to make a deal. We are going to kill you. However, if you confess we can offer you life imprisonment. Please sign here".



Speculation.

Mean this...............

I'm sorry, but KSM withdrew his 'confession'. Probably not water boarded long enough. I advise kicking in the testicles; that worked rather well in 1945.

?

When you are ready.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Oooorrrr.... we could go with the passengers were trying like heck not to alert the hijackers to the fact that they were making phone calls and were being quiet for that reason, because A) They weren't sure what sort of armament the hijackers had on them, and B) They were attemping to stay low while coming up with a plan to foil the plot.

You know, the sane, logical, time and battle-tested reason.

You're missing the point... nobody expects the passengers to converse with their relatives with an exalted voice; of course they would whisper. But what struck the relatives was the incredible calmness of the passenger on the phone, who were confronted with their own immanent death.

The real reason why the callers were calm was that they were having a good time somewhere on the ground leaning backwards with their feet on the table.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Not to forget something mentioned earlier in this thread (he seems to ignore a lot of what gets pointed out in this thread, doesn't he?), which is that Silverstein's insurance award doesn't come close to matching what he's paying out to rebuild the site. So I'm at a loss as to how Larry is so "lucky" when he supposedly participated in a plot costing him billions (not just millions) of dollars.

Could you inform what according to you the financial consequences were for Silverstein. With links please.

But hey, he's Jewish... he's got to be guilty somehow because of that, right?

Oops, personally offended? You're probably not of Arabic descent either. I wonder if I'm the only (Dutch) Saxon here.

 

[chillzero]

You're missing the point... nobody expects the passengers to converse with their relatives with an exalted voice; of course they would whisper. But what struck the relatives was the incredible calmness of the passenger on the phone, who were confronted with their own immanent death.

The real reason why the callers were calm was that they were having a good time somewhere on the ground leaning backwards with their feet on the table.

Incredibly disrespectful.

I can see, and I am glad for you, that you have never had to place a call under such difficult circumstances. I haven't had to keep my voice down for fear hijackers would realise I was on a phone and kill me for it, but I have had to call family to relate news of major problems. Calm is the best way to firstly make sure they understand, and secondly to get information across without stressing them more than the news itself will.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Could you inform what according to you the financial consequences were for Silverstein. With links please.

As I pointed out earlier, you're the one who claims to be an investigator. Is it so hard for you to investigate this stuff yourself? If you were genuinely interested in finding out what really happened on 9/11, and you became aware of the existence of information you hadn't seen, your response would be to look for the information yourself, rather than to sit on an Internet forum demanding proof.

As with just about any 9/11 topic, 9/11 Myths gives a wealth of links to sources on the financial impact of 9/11 on Silverstein. Start with http://www.911myths.com/html/windfall.html and follow the links given in the article (I wouldn't normally say that, but in the circumstances I think I should point out that I'm not suggesting you just read the 9/11 Myths page then come up with a rationalisation for ignoring it).

When you've done that, it really might be a good idea to read everything else on the 9/11 Myths site and follow all the other links before you come back here.

Dave

 

[9/11-investigator]

Incredibly disrespectful.

I can see, and I am glad for you, that you have never had to place a call under such difficult circumstances. I haven't had to keep my voice down for fear hijackers would realise I was on a phone and kill me for it, but I have had to call family to relate news of major problems. Calm is the best way to firstly make sure they understand, and secondly to get information across without stressing them more than the news itself will.

You cannot accuse me of being disrespectful because I deny that the passengers were on the phone in the first place. I agree that one should try to keep one's dignity and avoid utterances of panic and fear in order not to upset your love-one, but that does not imply that the conversation should resemble the 'ordering of a pizza', as Jack Grandcolas would later describe it. Note, he was talking about his wife.

It is this utter lack of drama that makes the story so implausible.

 

[chillzero]

You cannot accuse me of being disrespectful because I deny that the passengers were on the phone in the first place.

Then where are they now?

 

[9/11-investigator]

I earlier referred to Larry Silverstein's absence from the WTC during that fateful morning, because he had an appointment with a doctor. Normally he was always having breakfast at the 107th floor.

Now it turns out that both his daughter and son were also absent according to the Observer:

After a last-minute breakdown in the front-running bid, Mr. Silverstein's team won by a hair. His son, Roger, and his daughter, Lisa, were working for him in temporary offices on the 88th floor of the W.T.C. north tower. Regular meetings with tenants in the weeks immediately following their July 26, 2001, takeover of the building were held each morning at Windows on the World. But on Sept. 11, Roger and Lisa Silverstein were running late. Meanwhile, Mr. Silverstein's wife of 46 years had laid down the law: The developer could not cancel an appointment with his dermatologist, even to meet with tenants at his most important property. If the attack had happened just a little later, Mr. Silverstein's children would likely have been trapped at Windows. As it was, Silverstein Properties lost four employees in the attack, two of whom had just recently been hired.

Larry to the doctor and his son and daughter 'running late'. Quite a coincidence. Anybody who believes that?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Then where are they now?

They are dead of course. Crashed into the twin towers and near Shanksville.

I am saying that they were never on the phone. It were Israeli agents who faked that said passengers were on the phone.

 

[chillzero]

They are dead of course. Crashed into the twin towers and near Shanksville.

Which is why you are being disrespectful.
In any case, you are completely wrong, as others have provided tons of information for, and you have ignored. Which makes it even more disrespectful.

 

[240-185]

You cannot accuse me of being disrespectful because I deny that the passengers were on the phone in the first place. I agree that one should try to keep one's dignity and avoid utterances of panic and fear in order not to upset your love-one, but that does not imply that the conversation should resemble the 'ordering of a pizza', as Jack Grandcolas would later describe it. Note, he was talking about his wife.

It is this utter lack of drama that maks the story so implausible.

In other words, "the victims were in on it". How DARE you claim that? You show you don't have a single respect for these victims, who were beloved by their families. You are NOT interested by the truth (The REAL truth). You think that the truth can be easily discovered simply by surfing over the Internet, while you're comfortably sit in front of your monitor? No. That's not investigating. You're googling some topics in order to comfort in your denialism.

During 30 pages, you didn't show any evidence. All you did that you had your own version of 9/11, and you wanted to distort the facts to your conclusions. The worst of all, when other JREFers present to you other evidences, you try to match these with your twisted conclusions (Like Seth McFarlane).

Your work on 9/11 is anti-intellectual.

 

[9/11-investigator]

911 investigator-
have u read this article from the bbc. this ties into your theory. the president of yemen has come out and said the israeli intel was behind the bombing of the american embassy in yemen!! there are a few articles on this and one states that the presidnt of yemen said the cell had links to olmerts office!! didnt the office of special plans have a direct link to that same office!! haha. i remember reading an article from reuters i believe that stated the terrorists were tied to al qaeda in iraq.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7656807.stm
from link-

Yemen seizes 'Israel-linked' cell

Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh has said the security forces have arrested a group of alleged Islamist militants linked to Israeli intelligence.

"A terrorist cell was arrested and will be referred to the judicial authorities for its links with the Israeli intelligence services," Mr Saleh told a gathering at al-Mukalla University in Hadramawt province.
"Details of the trial will be announced later. You will hear about what goes on in the proceedings," he added.
The 17 September attack was the second to target the US embassy since April. Militants detonated car bombs before firing rockets at the heavily fortified building.

As usual you provide a good find.

Google on 'Mumbai Mossad' to find interesting links.

WTC/1993 bombings, same pattern. Look at this story from the Canadian professor Dewdney, search for 1993 and read on.

this ties into your theory.

It is not just my story, look again at my signature.