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My claim was and is medical information from people in person. Thank you for clearing that out for everyone, maybe you have more of an effect than I've had.


Good. In which case, I would strongly recommend removing references to other abilities from your website and stop bringing up unrelated abilities (such as diagnosing celebrities via photos and videos). This will only lead to more digressions, including the assumption by the NC skeptics group that you would be willing to do the chemical test.

This is not meant to be a personal attack, but rather I am trying to point out why the discussion does not always focus on the "medical information from people in person" claim. Unless you actively remove and repudiate these claims, people will continue to dredge them up because they are certainly much easier to design definitive tests for. If you choose to let those other claims stand (such as on your website), people will assume you are equally confident in those abilities and are equally willing to put them to the test.
 
Hokulele:
Hokulele said:
If that is the case, line up 10 professional male-to-female transvestites and 10 "real" women and see what how accurately she can identify which are which.
I would agree to take that test. However this test comes with a disclaimer that I have never had this specific experience. So if I get to have a preliminary trial where I find out if this is among what I can perceive, then I can accept to have a formal test of this sort whose outcome is evidence for or against.

UncaYimmy:
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Once again I will tell you that you have made virtually no effort to eliminate the ordinary and mundane. It took me five minutes to gather that information. Why didn't you do it?
:confused: Because I looked at a person and detected serious reproductive cysts, and later on it is confirmed. I have never perceived cysts to the extent as in her, and all the other women I've known have correspondingly not been diagnosed or scheduled for surgery for this. And because I detected a vasectomy and it was correct. What on earth is the problem? All I conclude from this is to proceed toward further and more proper tests? Why is that wrong.
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See what I mean? You are making far too many assumptions. First, you thought peanut oil was uncommon for frying when in reality it is very common. Then you counter by saying if he didn't use peanuts that would be highly unusual when in fact peanut allergies are the most common allergies.
Peanut oil is not used by anyone I know. And I've been to a few kitchens. So to me it was unusual. And again, none of this is evidence. It just shows what my experiences are. And proper tests will reveal if there is anything of interest here or not. Had I told him that he uses peanut oil and he'd said no, then that would have been interesting.
UncaYimmy said:
You were wise to come to a skeptics forum, but you are unwise in that you so readily dismiss what we have to offer. If you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.
All I've concluded is to proceed toward proper tests! Why is that wrong! Are you guys trying to convince me not to have a real test, is that it? Then all we have concluded on are assumptions! We don't even have evidence one way or the other! But I do have experiences that compel me to have real tests, and I will have real tests, and nothing you do can stop me!

Akhenaten:
Please focus on what my claim here actually is. Personal attacks against me as a person is not what this Forum should be intended for.

Jonquill:
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Anita, do your parents and siblings (if you have any) claim to have any extraordinary abilities?
And what do they think of your abilities?
Hi nice to meet you here. My mother and sisters are used to me describing their health and feelings as if I was in their body and head and it is normal to them. I have a brother who doesn't like any woo so I couldn't discuss this with him, however unlike my sisters who are tolerant we did not grow up together so maybe that's why. I tell all my real friends and they are ok with it. After all they are real friends and they'd accept me as I am. In case it is relevant I will mention that no one I know treats me as anything special because of this so there are no "rewards" that would give me incentive to assume a non-existing ability. I am the only one in my family with any experiences like this. After all, this ability comes from my Arcturian heritage. ;)

Hokulele:
I also agree that we need to establish non-vague ailments for the test.
 
July 3rd 2008 I sent a list of these ailments to the IIG. I realize now that several are vague or difficult for test arrangement purposes, but many of them appear to be good for test purposes. In essence if we had as much as one good ailment to test with it could be done. I am the one insisting on using a variety of ailments on a test.

1) Fractures: old ones, or recent that are still healing. When possible, try to find persons whose fractures did not heal back to normal, who are feeling lasting and at least somewhat constant discomfort due to the fracture, at or near the fracture site, such as pain, numbness, loss of sensation or inhibited blood flow. The sensations are not something we can test scientifically, however provided that their occurrence does not hint external cues, will help the applicant to detect the site and the nature of the ailment.

2) Cancer/tumors/cysts: these three are to be considered equivalent for the test since it can be tricky for both applicant and the IIG to tell them apart. These are significant enough to have been diagnosed by a doctor. Marking any undiagnosed cases will be considered an incorrect answer. Afflicted areas to be considered: lung, mouth and throat, leukemia (blood cancer), reproductive system cancer, breast cancer, colon cancer. Not skin cancer.

3) Missing body parts: such as entire, or almost entire, foot or hand. Any length of arm or leg (length does not need to be specified). Removed kidney. Removed lobe(s) of lung, or entire lung. Missing fingers or toes not included in test.

4) Heart disease: pains, blockage in heart or in its blood vessels, irregular heartbeat and other heart discomforts that are significant enough for person to seek doctor and have it diagnosed and verified. Heart disease will be specified as such, without emphasis on the specifics of the ailment.

5) Pain, must give the location of.

6) Breathing difficulties, allergy to furry animals.

7) Pain from swallowing or from speaking, any discomfort or difficulty with the throat.

8) Dental issues, significant and constant discomfort with teeth.

9) Urination problems: frequent urination, painful, difficult. Person does not have to urinate at test!! I can sense past and typical events from tissues.

10) Stomach ulcers (wounds in the inner lining of the stomach) or other significant stomach pains (stomach as the specific organ, not the tummy in general).

11) Cirrhosis of liver, if such can be diagnosed by doctor.

12) Kidney stones, severe enough for person to have sought help and been diagnosed.

13) Permanent "objects" in the field of vision, such as a dark area. Blindness.

14) Deafness in one or both ears. Tinnitus. We should not deal with partial hearing loss in order to avoid discussion about whether it is significant enough to be considered present.

15) Person who has taken a supplement of the "friendly" bacteria that are used for restoring function of the digestive system. The supplement has been taken at recommended doses for at least two days prior to test.

16) Person has none of the above ailments.​
 
Thank you everyone who has patiently and faithfully kept up with this exhaustingly lengthy thread. Most of the discussion here has not been productive or lead anywhere. I suggest that we all focus on the main part of my claim, medical information from people I look at in person, and save our skeptical analyses and efforts for test results and evidence which I hope to bring with the participation of my local skeptics group next Thursday and from then on.
 
You don't even need to start a claimant thread, my little buttercup!

[/Gilbert&Sullivan mode]I'm called Little Buttercup, dear little Buttercup,
Though I can never tell why... [/Gilbert&Sullivan mode]

;) I'll take it as a compliment anyway, UncaYimmy!
 
Hokulele:
:confused: Because I looked at a person and detected serious reproductive cysts, and later on it is confirmed. I have never perceived cysts to the extent as in her, and all the other women I've known have correspondingly not been diagnosed or scheduled for surgery for this. And because I detected a vasectomy and it was correct. What on earth is the problem? All I conclude from this is to proceed toward further and more proper tests? Why is that wrong.

I said before that it's premature to get others involved before you have done your due diligence to eliminate the ordinary and mundane. Look at the difficulty coming up with a protocol. Why do you think that is? It's because you don't have a specific, reliable claim.

Peanut oil is not used by anyone I know.
Wrong. I use it. How many people have you asked?

Wal Mart sells it in three gallon containers. C'mon, if Wal Mart moves enough peanut oil to sell containers that large, do you *really* think nobody you know uses it?

And I've been to a few kitchens. So to me it was unusual.

And that's the problem I'm driving at. You're jumping from your lack of experience and knowledge of the world to wanting to be tested for ESP. That's like me as a kid winning a foot race with my friends and then asking to go to the Olympic trials.

If you spent less time discussing your ability and more time testing it objectively, you'd catch a lot less grief.

And again, none of this is evidence. It just shows what my experiences are. And proper tests will reveal if there is anything of interest here or not. Had I told him that he uses peanut oil and he'd said no, then that would have been interesting.

Wrong. Peanut oil is not interesting at all unless he bathed in it. This is just another example of how your lack of experience in the world is hindering your growth.

All I've concluded is to proceed toward proper tests! Why is that wrong! Are you guys trying to convince me not to have a real test, is that it?

I guess we come from different backgrounds. I would never dream of asking people to spend their valuable time testing me when I haven't done the due diligence on my part to assure them that I'm not gonna waste their time.

If these people are willing to help you, that's great. But you don't deserve to be tested.

You have been given numerous suggestions on how to self-test, but we haven't seen you do them. However, you are jumping at the chance to be video taped in front of a captive audience. What do you think that says about you?

We discussed circumcision and breast implants yesterday. What did you do today about this? You said you can see private parts, so did you check for circumcision? You told me you know what a cut and uncut penises look like. So, is this a viable test or not? How about implants?

Less talk. More action.
 
Point of Clarification, please?

VfF -- In an earlier post, you stated about the case of the coworker with the ovarian cyst that you would have been uncomfortable mentioning it to her because she was a "senior nurse"; you observed that nurses form a hierarchy based upon experience level. (Which is somewhat true in my experience, limited though it may be.)

My question is this: In what capacity were you working, that you had nurses as coworkers? (For several months at least, per your anecdotes on this perception of cysts...)

You have repeatedly claimed ignorance of medical affairs, to the point of not knowing that tissue is removed during a vasectomy. Yet apparently you worked with nurses for several months??

There is a documented phenomenon called (if I recall correctly) "unconscious learning" where a person stores information without actually realizing that they are doing it. It has been discovered in people who, for example, show some fluency in a language they have not to their knowledge ever studied. And it's true that they didn't study it. But they did have access to enough information and/or exposure to the language to have acquired some understanding, even though they do not remember doing so.

I am not saying that this is necessarily what is going on; but it is quite relevant to the discussion of what you perceive that you have been working in a medical environment.

Thank you for addressing this issue, Miss Kitt

PS One other question: In your list of ailments, you specify that skin cancer is NOT readable, but list many others that are. Why would skin cancer not show? Have you experienced not seeing skin cancer in someone whom you knew had it??
 
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Pixel42:
Exactly. And that's why I depend on the participation of others in my investigation. I can't investigate myself by myself.
So you're OK with using the standard protocol for eliminating subjective validation in your test on Thursday, i.e. write down the health information you see for each person, get someone to check them and Tippex out any information you've included that is obvious to anyone (e.g. hair colour) and then give each subject copies of everyone's health information and ask them to pick out the one that fits them best?

It really is the only way to determine if you are getting a hit rate that is better than chance.
 
Dear Locknar:
Don't you insult one of the most respectable fields of physics. I'm interested since quantum physics translates the physical world into vibrational information.

Do not trash quantum physics. Study it, you might love it.

In what way does QM translate the physical world into vibrational information?
 
Akhenaten:

Please focus on what my claim here actually is. Personal attacks against me as a person is not what this Forum should be intended for.



Let's have another look at my most recent post, shall we?


This is your response to one part of my post:


The discomfort and hostility shouldn't be a complete surprise.

I expected a little more from you guys.



This is what I actually posted:


The discomfort and hostility shouldn't be a complete surprise. People from other stars who have x-ray vision tend to upset our sense of reality. Maybe we react out of fear.



Better people than you have attempted to erase the words of Pharaoh. I find your snippage here to be evasive to the point of dishonesty.



This is not a personal attack. You very selectively quoted something I said so as to competely change its intent.

I find this evasive to the point of dishonesty.


Please address this point specifically in your next response.
 
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How on earth can you conclude what I will or will not do after the results of a test are in? We just have to be patient and wait and see. A test can definitely show that I do not perceive accurate health information, if I claim to see information that is shown to be inaccurate. If I claim to detect something during a test, and I report a good confidence level in what I see, then that enables those perceptions to be checked for accuracy.

Ah, but even in the case where your "see" and are confident about medical information in the test which later proves to be false it would not show that you have no extrasensory ability, only that your extrasensory ability, if it exists, did not work during that test. The test can never exactly reproduce the conditions of your previous readings because the conditions of the test must be controlled while your prior readings were not.

My conclusion was based upon this statement;

If I fail tests and tests show that there is no extrasensory ability I will admit to the conclusion that the perceptions are not based on extrasensory perception.

The rest is simple logic. You did not simply say, "if I fail the IIG test then I will conclude that I do not have ESP." You added a qualifier which the IIG test cannot meet, hence you will not come to the aforementioned conclusion.

Well, I like to throw in information that I did not detect, just to see if the person is going to agree with everything I say. It is so much fun when I detect a shoulder problem and I say, "Do you have a shoulder problem?" and they say yes. I do not detect headaches, and I say "Do you have headaches?" and they say no. So that is one thing I like to do.

You should record yourself when you ask these questions. Psychics aren't the only people who pick up on subtle cues. You could give away the fact that a particular question is meant to be answered negatively quite unconsciously.

For example, perhaps when someone has a headache you say, "You have a headache don't you?" but when someone does not have a headache and you are simply testing their honesty you ask, "you don't have a headache do you?"

It could easily be more subtle such as a different expression worn or inflection used when asking your honesty-test question.

By recording yourself during a reading and reviewing the recording you might rule these out.

I also ask and plead that they answer honestly, and that when possible they prove that what I detect does in fact exist.

This could tell people that you feel strongly about your ability and reinforce their desire to give your the answer they think you want to hear.

I tell persons that I am more interested in finding out the truth than in being correct all the time, and I tell people that if they would give a false positive result then that could lead me to waste time and work in a more proper test and that we don't want that.

Have you ever noticed that people often fail to inform others when their shirts are untucked at the back or when they have been ◊◊◊◊ upon by a bird? People don't like to bear bad news even when that news would be helpful to know.

Thank you for posting the list of testable ailments you sent to IIG. I can see why several of them might have been deemed unsuitable. Two stand out as being very simple to test though and I am surprised that the IIG have not based the entire test around one of them.

14) Deafness in one or both ears. Tinnitus. We should not deal with partial hearing loss in order to avoid discussion about whether it is significant enough to be considered present.

15) Person who has taken a supplement of the "friendly" bacteria that are used for restoring function of the digestive system. The supplement has been taken at recommended doses for at least two days prior to test.

I would not have thought it too difficult to arrange for a test group made up half by deaf people half by people with no hearing problems for you to try to distinguish between.

Even easier would be to have a group of subjects take unmarked pills for two days before the test, half taking "friendly bacteria" and half taking sugar pills. You could then try to distinguish between them.

In fact, the second test is one that you could perform for yourself under double blind conditions if you could arrange for, say, 20 willing subjects and an assistant.

Did you ever discuss a single-ailment test with IIG before designing the multiple-ailment protocol?
 
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You'd think so, but I learned things about people that I wouldn't have otherwise if they didn't have to take off work for surgery or treatments. In my case I was 20 years old, so once I realized people wanted to know why I was taking off a couple of days, I started telling them I was having ball reduction surgery rather than a varicocelectomy. These days I might be more discreet.

Well, actually, I was speaking from experience - I'm rather reserved, so I don't share things like that. I've simply told coworkers I was having surgery and left it at that. But, I shouldn't have applied that attitude to everyone.


UncaYimmy said:
To me these things are much more useful in helping her figure out what she's experiencing than debating why she behaved the way she did.

Point taken. :)
 
Nope. Not on vasectomy, ingested bacteria, reproductive cysts, etc.
Vasectomy is pretty straight forward, either a man has had one or not. Ingested bacteria...seems awfully wiggly to me; reproductive cysts, women get them all the time - exactly how would a woman prove she does not have one (if say you diagnose her as having one)? Are you planing on having a Dr right there, ready to examin women on the spot?

No I say. Well I have to see the people I am reading, that's just the way it happens to be. Blindfolded would not work, but earplugs would be fine. In fact I can suggest that to the IIG because I worry that music would distract me. Maybe there is another way to block the sound. Why I have to see the persons? Because that is how I detect the microscopic vibrational information that builds pictures in my mind.
I see...assuming when you pick up "vibrational information" these people are not naked...why do you have to see them?

You've already claimed to be able to see through skin and various (though not all) fabrics...so a man with a vasectomy you can see through say denim jeans & cotton briefs but add the blind fold and BLAM suddenly your "power" is rendered ineffective?

So what about a blacked-out room, or say through a curtain?
 
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I'm not sure it's a 50% chance unless 50% of all men have had a vasectomy. :confused:

Oh, stop deliberately misinterpreting-your disingenuous act is getting tiresome. If you ask a selection of men, individually, if they've had a vasectomy, then, individually, there will be a 50% that he did, and a 50% that he didn't. You know that.

I would not favor having ESP over having something else like synesthesia...I think synesthesia is interesting in its own right too...

I smell a setup...
 
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Oh, stop deliberately misinterpreting-your disingenuous act is getting tiresome. If you ask a selection of men, individually, if they've had a vasectomy, then, individually, there will be a 50% that he did, and a 50% that he didn't. You know that.
I've got a degree in Mathematics and I don't know that, 'cos it's rubbish.

If, say, 20% of men have had a vasectomy, then there is a 20% chance that each individual man you ask will say he's had one. Assuming that, just because there are only two possibilities, there's a 50% chance of getting each every time is an elementary schoolboy error. It's only true if both possibilities are equally likely, e.g. when flipping a coin.
 
I've got a degree in Mathematics and I don't know that, 'cos it's rubbish.

If, say, 20% of men have had a vasectomy, then there is a 20% chance that each individual man you ask will say he's had one. Assuming that, just because there are only two possibilities, there's a 50% chance of getting each every time is an elementary schoolboy error. It's only true if both possibilities are equally likely, e.g. when flipping a coin.
While I agree 50:50 is overstated (the ratio is more like 1:6 of married men, in the US, 35 and older), DesertGal has a valid point in that age and marital status increase the chance he's had a vasectomy.

Oddly enough, age and marital status are things one can typically pick up on cold reading.
 
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