How 9/11 was done

[9/11-investigator]

So the U.S. government is only divided into two branches, Executive and Legislative? The Judicial branch is not part of the government?
I seem to recall learning it differently in my Civics class, and I don't recall it changing.

Yeah, yeah... with gov in this context I meant what we call in Europe the 'Cabinet'.

Still, you want to be careful here. If you allow the Judicial branch to not be a co-conspirator, then to be consistent, then you should accept that decisions made by most judges, absent actual evidence to the contrary, are honest decisions made on the weight of the evidence presented in court.

I do not think that any judge can derive from written law an 'honest decision' regarding the amount of money that Lucky Larry should receive. This case is unprecedented.

Also, I'm a little confused by your statement on cell phone usage from airplanes.
Do you now agree that cell phone calls can be made from airplanes?

Sure it's possible... if a plane is circling above a congested airport at low altitude and speed then I am sure it is possible. I accept the judgment of the Canadian professor that one can call from a large airliner up until 2000 feet. Above that it deteriorates rapidly. In a Cessna with no Faraday Cage effects AKD has shown that it can work until 8000 feet.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Just because he couldn't do it in 2008 (or whenever this was) in Canada doesn't mean that is was impossible to do in 2001 in the US. Also, I must wonder if cell phone calls from planes were impossible, why didn't they just use the airphones for all of the? Please answer this question. I bet you can't.

It was 2004, I believe, this Japanese financed little project. You simply have not understood my theory. They did not use cell phones nor air phones because they were unable to do so because they were all hanging in their chairs being dead (I had to change the theory because you guys convinced me that the autopilot can probably always be overridden manually by the pilots). And if the pilots are dead then the passengers have to go as well in order to prevent that they report about the new situation to the outside world via airphones (cell phones will not work as demonstrated).

Did the voice morphing convince people's loved ones they were talking to them when they weren't?

Yes.

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

Link.

Don't forget that the quality of the sound from an airplane cell phone call (at low altitudes) will be low anyway.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I think you should worry about the holes in your theory, 9/11 investigator. A good question was asked of you today: If using cell phones on planes is IMPOSSIBLE, why did the evil perpetrators even have cell phone calls in their plan? Don't you find that a stupid mistake for the planners of this incredibly complex mission?

They needed a way to fool the world into this Arabs-did-it story. The phone calls were the way to do it. It was not enough to post a few picture from Arabs captured by security camera's. The calls were essential to promote the story. And to a limited altitude phone calls are possible. But it had never been tested until what altitude it would work.

The beauty of this plot was that all kinds of emerging technologies were used: voice morphing, cell phones, thermite, aircraft remote control. That made it so difficult for the public to grasp what had happened.

 

[9/11-investigator]

It's easy to 'not have holes' in a theory you can just make up as you go.

Really? It is not easy at all to come up with a story that explains everything. It took me 7 years to do it.

 

[MikeW]

I accept the judgment of the Canadian professor that one can call from a large airliner up until 2000 feet. Above that it deteriorates rapidly. In a Cessna with no Faraday Cage effects AKD has shown that it can work until 8000 feet.

Do you think the range of the base stations on the ground might affect the altitude at which calls will work?

 

[dtugg]

It was 2004, I believe, this Japanese financed little project. You simply have not understood my theory. They did not use cell phones nor air phones because they were unable to do so because they were all hanging in their chairs being dead (I had to change the theory because you guys convinced me that the autopilot can probably always be overridden manually by the pilots). And if the pilots are dead then the passengers have to go as well in order to prevent that they report about the new situation to the outside world via airphones (cell phones will not work as demonstrated).

So you made up a theory with zero evidence that the passengers were dead so they couldn't have made the calls so they must have been faked, correct? Nice.

And you also didn't answer my question, if it is impossible for cellphones to work in the air, why didn't they just have them all come from airphones? That way it wouldn't be suspicious to people like you and that guy who did the experiment in the Cessna.

Yes.

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

Link.

No. They weren't having a conversation with his own mother totally fooling her.

 

[stateofgrace]

They needed a way to fool the world into this Arabs-did-it story. The phone calls were the way to do it. It was not enough to post a few picture from Arabs captured by security camera's. The calls were essential to promote the story. And to a limited altitude phone calls are possible. But it had never been tested until what altitude it would work.

The beauty of this plot was that all kinds of emerging technologies were used: voice morphing, cell phones, thermite, aircraft remote control. That made it so difficult for the public to grasp what had happened.

But not you,nobody fools a smart cookie like you,right?

Have you ever thought that just maybe, maybe rather than employing all this new untested technology to fool the entire planet a terrorist act took place it would have been simpler just to let a terrorist action take place?

Incidentally the phone calls that fooled the families, what guarantee was there that the families would actually step forward and volunteer their stories?

 

[twinstead]

They needed a way to fool the world into this Arabs-did-it story. The phone calls were the way to do it. It was not enough to post a few picture from Arabs captured by security camera's. The calls were essential to promote the story. And to a limited altitude phone calls are possible. But it had never been tested until what altitude it would work.

I'll ask again: Why did the plan include 2 little cell phone calls among all the calls from the airfones? Isn't that stupid? Why even risk it? Why not just make all the 'faked' phone calls from the airfones?

 

[twinstead]

Really? It is not easy at all to come up with a story that explains everything. It took me 7 years to do it.

I'm sure it wasn't easy. You've practically written a movie script. With all the exotic technology you've conjured up to accomplish seemingly impossible things it would probably be science fiction. Faked phone calls so even loved ones don't know they're being fooled? Brilliant.

Frankly, anybody with some time, google skills and a good imagination could do the same. It's a great intellectual exorcise, but that's about it. As a real investigation it's worthless.

 

[DavidJames]

Really? It is not easy at all to come up with a story that explains everything. It took me 7 years to do it.

You say that likes it's an accomplishment. Considering you weren't burdened by needing evidence to support any of your "story", I think a normal person wouldn't have taken more then 7 minutes.

 

[9/11-investigator]

dewdney published his paper first in a site dedicated to holocaust denial and historical revisionism. Thats all we need to know about his credibility and agenda. He doesn't even deserve to have the first letter of his name capitalized.
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/3/Dewdney248-271.html

I have noticed an extreme sensitivity on this forum for all things concerning the holocaust, which is quite remarkable considering the rather insensitive ways in dealing with Arabs, water boarding of prisoners, Abu Graib, etc. I have a feeling that this sensitivity has an odd one-sidedness about it. Let's not further speculate on what could be the origin of this sensitivity. I have my ideas about that.

Anyway, how do you know that AKD 'published' his story on VHO? You are deliberately making this up. AKD has said that he had not done that and I believe him. And why should he? He's a Canadian professor for chriss sake! Only Sweden is more political correct. Besides, one can dump a story anywhere on the web. The search engines will find you anyway. My blogspot is linked in many places without me having to 'publish' it; I only 'published' it here and a few similar forums.

 

[X]

Conspirator in my definition means somebody who really has to do something: come up with an integral plan in the first place (Zakheim), get a lease for WTC (Silverstein), instruct the Mossad to take action (Bibi, Olmert), persuade the US-gov to go to war and accept (prefabricated) Patriot Act (Cheney), play the local hero (Giulliani), let Menahem Atzmon organize that specific people have access to the planes in Boston to change the software and place canisters with gas and let the Israelis who checked in escape via a side exit and post the pictures of the 'hijackers' to the media. Let Jerome Hauer 'do the media' on 9/11. Let the Kroll brothers who became responsible for the WTC security make sure that specific vans get access to the parking garage in the basement and that specific elevators are put out of operation for 'maintenance purposes'. Let a team around demotion expert Peer Segalovitz mount the charges into the elevator shafts. Let Pete Zalewski "while trying to establish contact with the planes" send a new flight plan up via the ACARS system to the planes after he has ascertained that nobody in the cockpits respond to him anymore (and he can assume that the pilots are dead). Let Dominic Sutter handle the war room where the phone calls are being fabricated.

Where are the holes?

You have just accused a lot of people of some very heinous crimes.

You have just acquitted people understood to be guilty of said crimes based on evidence and confessions.


I trust you have the evidence to support your allegations.

You know, the incontrovertible evidence that supports your case.
Not nit-picking details that make no sense and have been refuted. I mean real evidence. The stuff we've been demanding since you started this thread.

 

[dtugg]

I have noticed an extreme sensitivity on this forum for all things concerning the holocaust, which is quite remarkable considering the rather insensitive ways in dealing with Arabs, water boarding of prisoners, Abu Graib, etc. I have a feeling that this sensitivity has an odd one-sidedness about it. Let's not further speculate on what could be the origin of this sensitivity. I have my ideas about that.

I just think it's very telling that your main source for the jooooo job fantasy is an infamous Holocaust denier. You shouldn't have even told people that you were using Bollyn. Your credibility started very low with that and has only got lower.

 

[9/11-investigator]

You have just accused a lot of people of some very heinous crimes.

You're doing exactly the same. At least I did not water board Zakheim.

You have just acquitted people understood to be guilty of said crimes based on evidence and confessions.

I'm sorry, but KSM withdrew his 'confession'. Probably not water boarded long enough. I advise kicking in the testicles; that worked rather well in 1945.

I trust you have the evidence to support your allegations.

Sure, I have it in a little box under my bed. Where do you store yours?

You know, the incontrovertible evidence that supports your case.
Not nit-picking details that make no sense and have been refuted. I mean real evidence. The stuff we've been demanding since you started this thread.

Please don't ask questions you can answer for yourself.

You hopefully do understand that there are a lot of people, including me, who deny that you debunkers have any 'evidence' whatsoever for your claims?

 

[Dr Adequate]

It was 2004, I believe, this Japanese financed little project. You simply have not understood my theory. They did not use cell phones nor air phones because they were unable to do so because they were all hanging in their chairs being dead (I had to change the theory because you guys convinced me that the autopilot can probably always be overridden manually by the pilots). And if the pilots are dead then the passengers have to go as well in order to prevent that they report about the new situation to the outside world via airphones (cell phones will not work as demonstrated).

Cell phones do work, as demonstrated.

Yes.

No.

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

Link.

That was the gizmo which doesn't work in real time, yes? The one which doesn't take a voice as input, yes? The one which on both those accounts can't be described as perfprming "voice morphing", yes? The one which requires voice samples which, as we've demonstrated, the conspirators couldn't have acquired, yes? The one which can't possibly prop up your claim that the calls were faked, yes?

We've been through this. It's another gizmo which can't fill the holes in your theory. Like the "thermite cord" and the karaoke machine.

 

[stateofgrace]

I'm sorry, but KSM withdrew his 'confession'. Probably not water boarded long enough. I advise kicking in the testicles; that worked rather well in 1945.
?

Could you offer a link to this please?

 

[Sabrina]

Excuse me?

Last I checked, KSM had as recently as a week ago said he would plead guilty to planning the 9/11 attacks during his trial. How is that retracting his confession, pray tell?

 

[TheWeirdSkeptic]

You hopefully do understand that there are a lot of people, including me, who deny that you debunkers have any 'evidence' whatsoever for your claims?

So since they deny it that means they are right?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Since I am the guy who is making up all the stories while you serious people have all the evidence (that's what you claim) please explain to me the case of Barbara Olson.

On September the 12th Ted Olson runs to the media to tell his story, that he received a call from Barbara about the the hijackers, the box cutters and so on.

The FBI has said that no such call has been taken place.

How do my opponents explain this?

Here is some supporting material just in case you have forgotten what again the evidence was.

http://911review.org/Wiki/CellPhoneCallsFlight77.shtml

Success.

 

[dtugg]

Since I am the guy who is making up all the stories while you serious people have all the evidence (that's what you claim) please explain to me the case of Barbara Olson.

On September the 12th Ted Olson runs to the media to tell his story, that he received a call from Barbara about the the hijackers, the box cutters and so on.

The FBI has said that no such call has been taken place.

How do my opponents explain this?

Here is some supporting material just in case you have forgotten what again the evidence was.

http://911review.org/Wiki/CellPhoneCallsFlight77.shtml

Success.

Actually the FBI doesn't state that. There were, I believe two phone calls from AA77 that couldn't be traced. Those were almost certainly Olson's. I think the belief is that she used an airphone to connect to an operator then the operator connected her to her husband.

Why the would Olson lie about talking to his wife in your opinion? Did the those evil, conniving joooooos pay him a bunch of money or something. What is wrong with you people?

You might want to stop getting your information from truther web sites. Every single one of them is full of lies and disinformation, no exception.

You keep on listing these claims like nobody here has heard of them. You are not original. Every single lie of the "Truth" Movement has been discussed and exposed here.