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NIST Releases FINAL WTC 7 Report - Nov. 20

dtugg said:
Nowhere in that link does it show a steel framed skyscraper that had multi story, totally unfought fires for seven hours and predicted to collapse by the FIRE DEPARTMENT.
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Erm...the Fire Department had already seen two buildings collapse that day, so it's no surprise that they might have predicted it happening a third time. But, would they have made the same prediction, had the events 7 hours earlier not transpired? And what would they have based their prediction on?
 
dtugg said:
So now the FDNY is lying about this? Cool. Thanks for clearing it up.

Silverstein wasn't even there. And his "pull it" quote was taken from an interview a year (I think) later. And he could have just been talking about pulling firefighters from near the area since it was evident it was going to collapse.
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Who said the firefighters are lying?

It's more like you claiming that firefighters don't fight fire. Because if firefighters were "pulled" from WTC-7 then why was the fire totally UNFOUGHT?

What were they doing in there if not fighting the fire?
 
Ragnarok said:
Erm...the Fire Department had already seen two buildings collapse that day, so it's no surprise that they might have predicted it happening a third time. But, would they have made the same prediction, had the events 7 hours earlier not transpired? And what would they have based their prediction on?
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Partly correct but having the other towers collapse was not the only indicator that they were going by. There were numerous reports of creaking, and visual structural instability prior to the collapse.
 
Ragnarok said:
Erm...the Fire Department had already seen two buildings collapse that day, so it's no surprise that they might have predicted it happening a third time. But, would they have made the same prediction, had the events 7 hours earlier not transpired? And what would they have based their prediction on?
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Here is the word from the man that was in charge that day. Somehow, twoofers think they know more than him. Or he is in on it.


Retired Chief of FDNY said:
Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).

The reasons are as follows:

1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.

For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else - as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.

Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.

Regards, Dan Nigro
Chief of Department FDNY (retired)
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Ragnarok said:
Erm...the Fire Department had already seen two buildings collapse that day, so it's no surprise that they might have predicted it happening a third time. But, would they have made the same prediction, had the events 7 hours earlier not transpired? And what would they have based their prediction on?
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Talk to firefighters about "truss framed" buildings and you'll know why they say "never trust a truss".
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Who said the firefighters are lying?

It's more like you claiming that firefighters don't fight fire. Because if firefighters were "pulled" from WTC-7 then why was the fire totally UNFOUGHT?

What were they doing in there if not fighting the fire?
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So how did they fight the fire when there was no water to do so? Or is somebody lying about that?
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
It's more like you claiming that firefighters don't fight fire. Because if firefighters were "pulled" from WTC-7 then why was the fire totally UNFOUGHT?
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Apparently by your book the only thing firefighters do is fight fires... eh?


Homeland Insurgency said:
What were they doing in there if not fighting the fire?
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I'm sure you could realize what other things they were doing... two buildings collapsed before WTC 7. I could think of a few things they might have had their minds on... other than a lack of resources to fight a fire. Just think about it! I'm sure you'll think of it! ... der hopefully....
 
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Tbone said:
Well, that's because they were caused by two different reasons. Are you saying that this would be less suspicious (in your mind) if it was 3 collapses for the same reason (despite two different buildings) or 3 reasons for 3 buildings (despite that two buildings has the same thing done to them)?
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Any steel structure skyscraper collapsing because of fire is suspicious. Three in one day is a miracle. If you believe in miracles.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Apparently by your book the only thing firefighters do is fight fires... eh?
I'm sure you could realize what other things they were doing... two buildings collapsed before WTC 7. I could think of a few things they might be doing if they don't have resources to fight a fire. Just think about it! I'm sure you'll think of it! ... der hopefully....
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Ok I'm game. What were the firefighters "pulled" from doing? eh? der duhhhhhh buuuuuunka?????
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Any steel structure skyscraper collapsing because of fire is suspicious. Three in one day is a miracle. If you believe in miracles.
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I wouldn't call anything that happed on 9/11 a miracle. A rather odd word choice.

Also, answer the question please.
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Any steel structure skyscraper collapsing because of fire is suspicious. Three in one day is a miracle. If you believe in miracles.
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Please explain why the FDNY predicted it would collapse. Are you smarter than firefighters that were there? Were they in on it?
 
homeland insurgency said:
ok i'm game. What were the firefighters "pulled" from doing? Eh? Der duhhhhhh buuuuuunka?????
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Oh!!! They were "pulled" from rescuing people?

LOL!!!

Who wasn't rescued from WTC-7 because the firefighters had to be pulled?

I can't wait for this. Are you guys the third-string debunkers? I'm feeling kinda cheated here.

BAHAHAHAHAH!!!
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Oh!!! They were "pulled" from rescuing people?

LOL!!!

Who wasn't rescued from WTC-7 because the firefighters had to be pulled?

I can't wait for this. Are you guys the third-string debunkers? I'm feeling kinda cheated here.

BAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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Are you really this stupid or are you just trolling?

Do you really think that it is unthinkable that there were rescue operations going on in an area where two skyscrapers just collapsed? FYI, rescue operations went on for a long time. Firefighters even got in fights with cops when it was decided that they would stop.
 
Homeland Insurgency said:
Oh!!! They were "pulled" from rescuing people?

LOL!!!

Who wasn't rescued from WTC-7 because the firefighters had to be pulled?

I can't wait for this. Are you guys the third-string debunkers? I'm feeling kinda cheated here.

BAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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Yes I'm sure I'd also want to be standing near a building that's in danger of collapse while searching for survivors in the rubble pile of another nearby collapsed building.

Yes I'm sure I want people walking right next to a compromised building with no concern for public or rescuer safety.
 
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