Jon Gold Addresses Pat Curley and the jref

[RedIbis]

AS Michael Shermer put so well:



Ya got that Jon?

What well established theories? Pancakes? Diesel fuel fed fires? Mystery fighter planes over the Atlantic?

 

[1337m4n]

What well established theories? Pancakes? Diesel fuel fed fires? Mystery fighter planes over the Atlantic?

Why are you trying to derail your own thread.

 

[Thunder]

people who refuse to accept they are wrong...even in the face of overwhelming evidence and investigation upon investigation...are called one thing:

losers.

 

[The Big Dog]

Why are you trying to derail your own thread.

Because it is Red Ibis.

Seven years and counting, he is still just JAQ'ing off, just like Gold.

I notice old Jon the JAQ Off has ignored my request for evidence. But good old Tanabear repeats his request for the Government to crash a plane into a skyscraper to falsify his beliefs. And a bunch of people think that is a good idea.

Hey Red, your Truther buddies are absolute morons.

 

[Pardalis]

What well established theories? Pancakes? Diesel fuel fed fires? Mystery fighter planes over the Atlantic?

By saying that you show your complete lack of understanding of the scientific process, and are validating James B and Michael Shermer's point.

 

[T.A.M.]

What well established theories? Pancakes? Diesel fuel fed fires? Mystery fighter planes over the Atlantic?

No, more like:

1. Pods
2. Space Beams
3. mini Nukes
4. Israelis with Parachutes
5. CGI
6. Real Time Voice morphing.

You know, "theories".

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

No, more like:

1. Pods
2. Space Beams
3. mini Nukes
4. Israelis with Parachutes
5. CGI
6. Real Time Voice morphing.

You know, "theories".

TAM

And Gold's essay mentions none of those.

 

[T.A.M.]

And Gold's essay mentions none of those.

No, I was simply pointing out that the Truth Movement is full of absolutely insane (let alone "Mysterious") theories.

Thats all.

TAM

 

[RedIbis]

No, I was simply pointing out that the Truth Movement is full of absolutely insane (let alone "Mysterious") theories.

Thats all.

TAM

I hear that more from you guys than any "twoofers". They're nothing but silly strawmen that you guys hold onto because they're easy to knock down even though hardly anyone argues for them.

 

[Foolmewunz]

I hear that more from you guys than any "twoofers". They're nothing but silly strawmen that you guys hold onto because they're easy to knock down even though hardly anyone argues for them.

Yeah, Red, that's it. We of the Official NWO Debunking Society made up all the batguano crazy stuff. None of those things come from Fetzer or Judy in the Skies, or Jones or Ace Baker or Craig and Aldo or Killtown. The debunkers made them up. Or, are you playing the disinfo card?

Does it occur to you that you're hearing about the Looney Toons ideas more from debunkers because the TM, those few who are trying to sound serious, are just plain embarassed by Keebler Elves, Klunkity Klunk, voice morphing dreams, video fakery that was impossible, thermite used in demolition work, etc....

 

[The Big Dog]

I hear that more from you guys than any "twoofers". They're nothing but silly strawmen that you guys hold onto because they're easy to knock down even though hardly anyone argues for them.

Aha, your completely hidden theory is world's better than your pal's theories.

I guess all that JAQ'ing off has given you an insight better than those of your pals.

By the way Red, 'hardly anyone argues for them." Uh, hardly anyone argues for ANY truthy truth theories.

By the way, is the king of the JAQ offs, Gold, ever going to supply any evidence to support his silly post on the blogger board?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

[ETA: Bah. I stopped reading 16.5's post just before he made the exact same point I make here.]

I hear that more from you guys than any "twoofers". They're nothing but silly strawmen that you guys hold onto because they're easy to knock down even though hardly anyone argues for them.

Given the "truthers"-to-world-population ratio, one could also say that "hardly anyone" argues for controlled demolition, too.

So, apparently, by confronting those less-crazy-than-a-Pentagon-flyover-but-still-certifiably-crazy claims, debunkers are still just arguing strawmen.

I guess that means we should just leave you folks alone, then, huh?

 

[T.A.M.]

I hear that more from you guys than any "twoofers". They're nothing but silly strawmen that you guys hold onto because they're easy to knock down even though hardly anyone argues for them.

ok, so if they are strawmen, then where is the reality of those "theories" i produced? Is there not a segment of the truth movement, such as Judy Wood, Ace Baker, and many others that believe that space beam weapons brought down the WTCs, and that the plane images we see were merely "realtime CGI"?

Loose Change, the "Biggest Truther Film" had the "pods" theory within it, in its original version, did it not?

A-Train, who I believe is now banned, use to come here and promote his "Israeli Commandos took over the planes, set them to autopilot, then parachuted out" claim.

Real Time Voice Morphing was heavily promoted by the truth movement, including "Loose Change" and others, despite the author of the article which they base their "theory" on publicly stating that the technology that would be required for "real time" morphing is not even presently available.

I mean come on, I agree these are outlandish theories, but they are far from "Strawmen" arguments.

TAM

 

[Drudgewire]

I hear that more from you guys than any "twoofers". They're nothing but silly strawmen that you guys hold onto because they're easy to knock down even though hardly anyone argues for them.

You posted a letter full of nothing but strawmen. "I'm wrong about everything and can offer no proof to the contrary, but if I'm right I bet you guys don't apologize because you're jerks" doesn't really deserve anything more substantive in response.

 

[dtugg]

Even "mainstreem" twoofers like the High Priest of Da Twoof himself believe in ridiculous nonsense such as faked phone calls and remote controlled planes. I guess they kind of have to otherwise they would be forced to admit that suicidal terrorists did indeed hijack and crash planes. Do you believe in faked phone calls and remote controlled planes, Red?

Strawmen? Please. RedIbis is about as ingenuous with his use of the word as Alex Jones.

 

[DGM]

I hear that more from you guys than any "twoofers". They're nothing but silly strawmen that you guys hold onto because they're easy to knock down even though hardly anyone argues for them.

OK;
Give it to us straight. What the hell is the "truth movement" on about? You keep telling us that we use "strawmen" against their argument. Now we need YOU to tell us what the argument is.

Red, step up to the plate and define what this "movement" you so adamantly defend (and support) actually stands for (and rejects).

Thanks

 

[Alt+F4]

Do you believe in faked phone calls and remote controlled planes, Red?

As far as I can tell, Red has only been clear on one point, that he/she believes: the FDNY members there on 9/11 didn't know what they were hearing or seeing (I guess they took the little school bus to work) until the higher ups (those that control their pay and pensions) told them what they saw and heard. Like the good, greedy robots they were/are, no members of the FDNY ever questioned what they were told by their evil, municipal overseeers.

Other than that, Red has no idea what happened on 9/11.

 

[doobiedoright]

I hear that more from you guys than any "twoofers". They're nothing but silly strawmen that you guys hold onto because they're easy to knock down even though hardly anyone argues for them.

Would you admit you were wrong? Would you apologize to all of the families you have disrespected? Would you apologize to all of the first responders you have disrespected? Would you apologize to all of the sincere members of JREF you have either slandered, harassed, and/or threatened? Either by directly taking part in these acts, or by promoting them? Would you apologize to the JREF for trying to push all the crazy theroies on all of us and by focusing on the fringiest of the fringe?

Would you stop pretending like you know anything about 9/11 because you certainly do not?

 

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

Why are you guys even bothering with this idiot?

 

[RedIbis]

Why are you guys even bothering with this idiot?

Namecalling, now that's impressive.