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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

TjW said:
I guess I don't understand. You seemed perfectly happy with MacGyver's qualifications, and even his responses, when you found him on the EE forum.

Why would you need to find someone to debate the expert that you found?.
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Apparently, I have found an engineer in MacGyver, but not an FDR expert that has
knowledge of protection circuits, firmware, data encoding for such
technology.

Like I said, I don't sit back and swallow all that I read without research.
It just so happens that my further investigation and talking with other
engineers reveals some weak arguments and scenario's on Mac's part.

End of story. Let's wait an see if Macgyver accepts the debate.
 
Turbofan said:
Poor Wildcat.

Someone's scared I see.

Unfortunately for you, I don't sit back and accept status quo. I reserach,
I get in your face and I talk to real people with names and professions
(unlike the faceless socks here).

You see, we're not sure that MacGyver has played with circuitry that is
certified to several thousand g's. An MP3 Flash is not the same as a
secure chip in a flight data system (not saying that is all MacGyver has
worked with...just making a point).

By the way, get on the phone with L3, or the NTSB like we did. Start doing
some research.

P.S. I've already addressed your question pages ago. Stop with the circular
arguments please.
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You don't get it. The time for internet debate is over. Take it to the next level or admit you have nothing.

Turbofan said:
Apparently, I have found an engineer in MacGyver, but not an FDR expert that has
knowledge of protection circuits, firmware, data encoding for such
technology.

Like I said, I don't sit back and swallow all that I read without research.
It just so happens that my further investigation and talking with other
engineers reveals some weak arguments and scenario's on Mac's part.

End of story. Let's wait an see if Macgyver accepts the debate.
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I doubt MacGuyver even comes here any more. Hasn't logged in since Nov. 8.

Why don't you go find some other forum to spam with your nonsense? You tried here, and failed. You have no FDR expert who agrees with you, I doubt you'll ever find one.

Of course, that's why you're looking for internet debates - you certainly won't get anywhere trying to get real experts to agree with your laughable conclusions.

Once again, you FAIL.
 
Yes he sure has failed well!
He is even bringing up MacGyver after MacGyver basically told him to stop bringing up his name.
What a complete loser.
 
WildCat said:
You have no FDR expert who agrees with you, I doubt you'll ever find one.
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sigh.... Wildcat, we went over this pages ago. Why dont you remember? Here, let me refresh your memory. I'll bold the important parts.

Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways


George Nelson
Colonel USAF (Ret.)
30 year career managing aircraft maintenance activities
Licensed commercial pilot
Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic
Aircraft accident investigator

Art Carran
Commercial Certificate
Instrument Rating
350 Hours TT
Piper, Beech, and Cessna single-engine aircraft
Professional Engineer, State of Ohio
Aerospace Engineer

J. Randall Reinhardt
Commercial, Multi, Instrument, CFI, ATP,
Commercial Glider, Advanced/ Instrument Ground Instructor,
Turbojet Type Rating - Learjet
Flying since 1961,
8,000+ hours in civil, military and Part 25 Transport category aircraft
J.D. degree in 1972 ,
30 years practicing trial law, with a concentration in aviation related litigation,
including FAA Part 91, 135, 121 and 141 accidents and FAA/NTSB matters
Forensic Director for U.S. Aviation Forensics with 30 years experience in aircraft accident investigation.
Former FAA Accident Prevention Specialist
Former member U.S. Unlimited Aerobatic Team with unrestricted aerobatic waiver.

Full membership list here http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core

I just put the above together quickly. Let me know if you need more. Dont forget, we do have FDR Experts working behind the scenes since many of you like to assassinate character from behind your screens. After all, we decoded the FDR raw file. Your experts could not.

Wildcat, do you think Aircraft Accident Investigators work with FDR's? If not, what do you think they use?

If so, who do you have on your side that can be confirmed?

Even your own Anti-Sophist who started this thread disagrees with your other "anonymous experts".

Mac, Jay, Beachnut, all offer speculation.

The NTSB calculated an impact time, plotted the altitude and path. They do not claim any errors that your anonymous experts claim. We have called them as well as the FBI.

Are the NTSB "experts" enough for you? Or are they in 'error' as your anonymous experts claim.

Wildcat, you can make excuses, we'll use our real names. It is clear why all of you refuse to debate the experts listed above from P4T.
 
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Turbofan said:
Yeah, many of you denied the fact Rob Balsamo was a pilot as well. Some of you still do and think he's an imposter.. Denial can be ruthless.. ask Parky76. ;)
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None of those guys on your list even claim to be FDR experts.

FAIL
 
WildCat said:
None of those guys on your list even claim to be FDR experts.

FAIL
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Wildcat,

Who in this thread can come even close to being an "FDR Expert" on your side and be confirmed?

Hint: Aircraft Accident Investigators work with FDR's. Ask Beachnut. Although, ours can be confirmed. Beachnut cannot.

So Wildcat, have you called L3 like we did? If not, when will you?

Wildcat, you fail.
 
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Turbofan said:
Wildcat,

Who in this thread can come even close to being an "FDR Expert" on your side and be confirmed?
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No one in this thread has claimed to be an FDR expert. They just happen to know more about FDRs than any of the wannabe FDR experts at PffffT.

Hint: Aircraft Accident Investigators work with FDR's. Ask Beachnut. Although, ours can be confrimed. Beachnut cannot.
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They don't design them. They don't maintain them. They don't write the software for them.

None of the guys on your list are qualified to make the claims that they make. Not a single one.

So Wildcat, have you called L3 like we did? If not, when will you?
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L3 does not support the findings of your little internet group, so I have no idea what the relevance is of you talking to a salesman.

FAIL
 
TjW said:
Unless, of course, it agrees with what you've already decided is "Truth".
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Truth? Facts?


This is fact...

The National Transporation Safety Board is distributing information the NTSB claims is from AA77, through the FOIA to the global public, which does not support an impact with the pentagon.

Your "experts" here make excuses and offer speculation for such unprecedented actions as read ad nauseum throughout this thread..

These experts here at http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core (who can be verified through faa.gov) are concerned. The list grows.

And that is the truth...

Your mileage (denial) may vary...
 
WildCat said:
They just happen to know more about FDRs than any of the wannabe FDR experts at PffffT.
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Really...?

So.. they know more about FDR's than 'Pffft, but they were unable to decode the FDR raw file.. .as did 'Pffft'.


Uh huh Wildcat... keep selling that to yourself...
 
Turbofan said:
yeah, I'm having fun. So far, I have more than 4 of you replying in less than an hour. This place is always great for the bored as those like you will always show up for some fun... almost like you're waiting for it... :D

Of course, its even more fun that you expose yourselves... How's Parky76 doing anyway?
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I do not have idea what you are babbling on about, nor do I care. I have given you the grace of addressing one of your posts. You have failed to return the same manners. Equally so I have no idea how Parky 76 is doing or what on earth it has to do with you failing to address legitimate questions.

Please try harder, when trying to convince Joe Public (me) you deserve to be heard, let alone replied to. Here are the questions you have failed (miserably to answer). Please try to do so, champ.

rather than refute specific points of what MacGyver got wrong. You want to address his qualifications? what specific equipment he has worked with? Verify his real name? You want his SS number and address too?

now you have a new expert to refute the one that showed you to be the fool that you are? if thats not an argument from false authority than i don't know what is. He was YOUR expert. You sought him out in an attempt to show us how right you were. Instead he handed you your ass. You attempt to limit the participants like its some freakish radio show.

have your new PFT jackass log in here, lets see if he lasts two weeks.
his argument should stand on its own regardless of qualifications. put up or shut up
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So PffffT has some mew asshat who claims to have proof that everything we think about AA77 is wrong.

But he won't reveal his proof unless a guy who hasn't posted here since Nov. 8 reveals his real name. So now he's not going to reveal his earth-shattering evidence of the crime of the century.

God damn the truth movement is a joke.
 
Turbofan said:
and yet you are here....

and yet the feeling is mutual.. .this is why i didnt read the rest of your post. :D
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Yes that is why I am here, reading your posts and the counter posts. All I see is you being obnoxious, dismissive and extremely anti towards anybody who dares to question you. Maybe you can prove me wrong and answer, without the attitude,the questions you were asked.

Here they are again.


rather than refute specific points of what MacGyver got wrong. You want to address his qualifications? what specific equipment he has worked with? Verify his real name? You want his SS number and address too?

now you have a new expert to refute the one that showed you to be the fool that you are? if thats not an argument from false authority than i don't know what is. He was YOUR expert. You sought him out in an attempt to show us how right you were. Instead he handed you your ass. You attempt to limit the participants like its some freakish radio show.

have your new PFT jackass log in here, lets see if he lasts two weeks.
his argument should stand on its own regardless of qualifications. put up or shut up
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When you are ready.
 
WildCat said:
So PffffT has some mew asshat who claims to have proof that everything we think about AA77 is wrong.
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its "New"... not "mew".

But i guess a "Wildcat" wouldnt understand since the "Wildcat" still doesnt grasp the duties of an Aircraft Accident Investigator, and keeps asking for an "FDR Expert" when the 'Wildcat's own "experts" couldnt decode an FDR file.

Wildcat.. you fail and so do your anonymous 'experts'
 
You sure are replying to a lot of people you promised you wouldn't reply to. But so far your replies are meaningless to the questions we asked you.
 
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