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Hillary as Secretary Of State? Change?

Unfortunately, I have to go now and probably won't be visiting the forum for a few days.

I hope this thread is still here when I return ... probably on Sunday.

If it is, I'll take up where I left off in dealing with the posts on it.

Don't worry ANTpogo, you'll be next.

Have a nice Thanksgiving everyone. I know I will. :D
 
The only one person I can think of that actually challenged a specific fact is you. And I shot you down right away.
You "shot me down"? Heh heh. You think? Would you be willing to put that to a vote? Yes, I know truth isn't determined by a vote, but believability is. Do you think your scenario is believable to a board of skeptics? I'm ready and willing to test that. I'll even work with you to agree on the wording of the poll. Are you ready to defend your marksmanship?
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Just read your last post. Okay, we can put this off. Have a great Thanksgiving!
 
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Or if one wanted to conjecture differently, write something like "fighting addiction to prescription." That would be consistent with the known fact that Foster had been experiencing insomnia for some time and the fact that Lisa Foster told the FBI that Vince didn't want to take sleeping pills because "he was afraid that he would become addicted to them."
Well, I can't speak for the detective who wrote the note (who has already spoken, but according to your interpretation seems to have joined the conspiracy between the time he wrote it and when he was questioned) but when I am taking notes and use an ---> in the text it is shorthand for "which led to." For example, if I wrote "antibiotics ---> rash" I would be implying that the antibiotics led to the rash. Thus if I had written "fighting ---> prescription" it would mean "fighting led to prescription". Which as Tricky has pointed out makes no sense. Leading to the conjecture that Foster was fighting something that the detective left out...like depression.
But you go ahead and keep spinning, gdnp.
Spinning? I'm perfectly willing to accept the interpretation of the detective who took the note, he being the only one who knows, he having no reason to lie, and there being no other evidence that contradicts it. Unfortunately for you, it does not fit with your grand conspiracy, and thus you need to fabricate your own interpretation. I will leave it to others to decide who is trying to twist evidence.

:D
 
Of all the legitimate reasons one might choose to dislike Hillary Clinton, why someone has to go around making silly stuff up is beyond me.

And I speak as someone who admires her and thinks we would have been lucky to have her as our President. There is always something to dislike about a person, and if you disagree with her political positions, you have all the more reason to resist her charms.

But, come on!
 
Of all the legitimate reasons one might choose to dislike Hillary Clinton, why someone has to go around making silly stuff up is beyond me.

And I speak as someone who admires her and thinks we would have been lucky to have her as our President. There is always something to dislike about a person, and if you disagree with her political positions, you have all the more reason to resist her charms.

But, come on!

Ah but Bolo, you are admittedly "in the tank" for the Clintons.

It takes far far less than saying you admire her for this to occur. I was originally accused of being in the tank for the Clintons when I suggested that the mojority of American do not think Bill is a rapist and they are both murderers. That was all I suggested and that made me an ardent supporter or some such thing so with your admitted admiration you are probably a sock puppet whose real name is Chelsea!!! :D
 
Unfortunately, I have to go now and probably won't be visiting the forum for a few days.

I hope this thread is still here when I return ... probably on Sunday.

If it is, I'll take up where I left off in dealing with the posts on it.

Don't worry ANTpogo, you'll be next.

Have a nice Thanksgiving everyone. I know I will. :D
Thanks,

Could I ask you a favor? Would you please bullet your best arguments? You have posted so much that it's too much to wade through. If you don't want to bullet them then could you make a pithy statement why you think Clinton is guilty and I promise to respond in kind and carefully consider your points. BAC, I'm far from a liberal I can assure you. I've never liked Hillary and I was sweating bullets that she would win the primary. If you can convince anyone to change their mind it's me. I've looked at the evidence before and I've looked at a number of your posts and I've always been underwhelmed but I will objectively consider your argument. Fair enough?
 
Ah but Bolo, you are admittedly "in the tank" for the Clintons.

It takes far far less than saying you admire her for this to occur. I was originally accused of being in the tank for the Clintons when I suggested that the mojority of American do not think Bill is a rapist and they are both murderers. That was all I suggested and that made me an ardent supporter or some such thing so with your admitted admiration you are probably a sock puppet whose real name is Chelsea!!! :D
I was against the investigation and thought there was nothing to it. That said. I find Broderick's testimony very disturbing. She never tried to profit from her claim and she was fiercely private and did not run arround trying to gain noterioty. I also found Hitchen's No One Left To Lie To very compelling.

I'm willing to admit that my life was very good during the Clinton years and I'm quite willing to give him credit for his accomplishments (I'm skeptical as to how much the economy was due to him but that's fine he didn't $#%& it up like Bush has). That said, I don't think he is a very moral person. I would gladly decline to be in the same room with either Bill or Hillary.

If anyone is willing to accept BAC's accusations it is me. I only ask that the accusations be backed by reason and evidence.
 
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You know, I just realized that BAC is right. Hillary Clinton is evil.

In the same light of several arguments made by BAC, here is my proof.

QED.
 
That's not a conspiracy website?

Well if the definition is a site that seems to prove, using federal investigative records, a conspiracy to cover up a murder, then I suppose it is. But calling it that doesn't in and of itself make anything on the site untrue. So my challenge to you remains the same. Prove something is false.

In other words, the "barely any blood, and what was there was old and dried" evidence Knowlton relies on to support his claim that Vince Foster was murdered long before he was supposed to have committed suicide was shot down by his own star witness!

You completely mischaracterize what Knowlton and Assistant US Attorney Michael Rodriguez actually said and claimed on the matter of blood. They are not in disagreement.

Rodriguez confirms that the first rescue workers to arrive at the body saw very little blood. I quoted some of those EMTs previously in this thread saying exactly that. Why do you ignore their eyewitnesses accounts and the timeframe when they said they saw little blood, ANTPogo? Why do you ignore the fact that Rodriquez said Fiske and Starr lied when they claimed "that a quantity of blood was observed where the body was first discovered"?

Rodriguez says that only when the body was MOVED up the hill, head down, did blood begin to flow out the wound. That's not inconsistent with Knowlton's claim there was little blood AT THE CRIME SCENE. And after the body was moved, Rodriguez also says new photographs were taken as if it were the original crime scene. Why do you ignore that, too? Why do you ignore the fact that the crime scene photos of the body as it had originally been observed have vanished?

In fact, on almost every detail, not just the blood, Rodriguez actually confirms the deceptions and coverup that Knowlton's website claims occurred. Why do you ignore those many other instances? You seem to be ignoring a lot, ANTPogo.

Here's what Rodriquez concluded: "This whole notion of [Fiske and Starr] doing an honest investigation is laughable. … The FBI conducted the first investigation along with the Park Police. The FBI reinvestigated Foster's death under Independent Counsel Fiske, then, Kenneth Starr used the very same FBI agents in his investigation. … The American press misled the American public by reporting that there have been several independent investigations, when, in fact, all of the investigations were done by the FBI."

Why are you so quick to ignore that? Afterall, he was the man hired by Starr to lead his grand jury investigation. Shouldn't you be a little skeptical about the investigation when he says it was phony? Shouldn't you be a little skeptical when there are literally hundreds of facts pointing to a murder and coverup? Maybe you should reread Rodriquez testimony. Here:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0307/S00277.htm

And by the way, Rodriguez addresses another complaint voiced by naysayers on this thread. Rodriguez says "Everyone makes a very big mistake when they believe a lot of people are necessary to orchestrate some results ... snip ... All you need to do is just have a couple of people involved.…you control the central figures in the investigation. We don't need all these Park Police and all these FBI agents to know the overall crime.”

Your ridiculous insinuations that Starr faked a typewritten note from Foster's doctor

I insinuated no such thing. I said "Maybe he did type that note but it only confirms the above facts." I agreed with the possibllity that the doctor typed the note, not claimed he didn't. I do find it a little odd that the note only surfaces months after Fiske's investigation. Was the doctor hiding it the whole time? Unlikely. Was Fiske? Now I can understand why Fiske might hide it. Because observe ... the note corroborates the contents of the earlier FBI interview quotes that YOU insinuated were fake. Both the note and FBI interview statement show Fiske (and Starr) lied about the doctor saying Foster was clinically depressed. And I can't help but notice that you simply ignored that part. :D

Vince Foster contacted his doctor, and did talk about his depression then. Just as, remarkably, Snopes said.

FALSE. Snopes (and Starr and Fiske) all claimed that Foster "contacted his doctor about his depression" ... meaning that Foster called the doctor because he identified himself as being depressed. That's simply not true. The portion of the note that you didn't highlight said Foster "complained of anorexia and insomnia." Not depression. During the course of the doctor's interview with Foster apparently the doctor asked Foster if he was depressed but that was not the reason Foster contacted his doctor ... not because he identified himself as being depressed. Snopes is misleading to suggest he did. You are playing misleading word games.

And according to the FBI interview quotes that you insinuated are fake, Dr Watkins also indicated that Foster contacted him to complain about not being able to sleep. Not to complain of depression. And in both note and interview, the doctor indicated whatever depression Foster was experiencing was "mild" and that he was not "in crisis". He was NOT "clinically" depressed as Starr and Fiske both claimed. Starr and Fiske clearly lied about that in their reports. You can't deny that. So you ignore it.

And note that the FBI agent who took Lisa Foster's statement the night of Vince's death wrote in his notes that "FOSTER complained to LISA FOSTER that he was suffering from insomnia." She never even mentioned the word depression nor did she (on any other family and friends interviewed that night) see any behavior indicating depression. Fiske and Starr lied about that too. And you can't deny that. So you ignore it.

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I invite you to tell us specifically which evidence I've twisted. Bet you run instead.

I told you what evidence you twisted in the very post you quoted. Very convenient of you to delete that part, then mockingly "bet run instead."


I didn't twist anything.

I was totally accurate in stating that 911 truthers ignore any fact that proves them wrong and that your side has done the same in the Foster case. In fact, you proved me right in your post.

I was totally accurate in stating that 911 truthers ignore or dismiss what real experts on the subject say. I'm the one quoting the experts as far as hand writing analysis is concerned. I'm the one quoting the witness statements gathered by Park Police and the FBI in this matter. And as we've seen in this case, I'm the one accurately quoting what Knowlton and Rodriguez said. And as I said, it is YOUR side that is been ignoring or dismissing out of hand what they say. And you proved me right in your post.

And finally, I was totally accurate in stating that 911 truthers throw out red herrings and employ countless strawmen. And you've done that in your post ... tossing out a red herring about the blood. Sorry, I did not twist anything in the very post I quoted. But you just did. :D

But if you're feeling particularly masochistic, I'd be happy to contribute.

By all means. Let's see what you can bring to the table in the Ron Brown debate. But please post on one of those Ron Brown threads you claimed you read. Not here. :D
 
I think the thing is that Obama doesn't want surprises. With Clinton, there aren't very many surprises.

So you are saying that Obama must know the details I've mentioned here about Chinagate, Filegate and Fostergate?
 
I think we can safely say that somebody here has a dislike of Bill and Hilary that borderlines on obsessive.
 
my explanation makes a lot more sense than the claim that he was "fighting prescription" ... snip ... You claim that this meant he was fighting addiction, but of course, there was no addiction.

It is your explanation that makes no sense. Everyone involved ... Foster's wife, Foster's family, Foster's friends, Foster's workmates ... all said at the time of his death when questioned by Park Police and the FBI that Foster was NOT depressed or showing any indication of being depressed. His death came as a complete surprise. Even his doctor only indicated "mild" depression after the doctor said Foster came to him with complaints of insomnia. Furthermore, the doctor clearly treated insomnia rather than depression given that the dosage of drug that was prescribed was for insomnia, not depression. This I proved. Foster's wife told the FBI that he was afraid of a sleeping pill addiction. So it is not at all inconceivable that the FBI agent could have written "fighting prescription" to indicate that fact.

You can spin for all you are worth, Tricky, but the fact remains that Fiske and Starr LIED about Foster being clinically depressed. He was NOT. They lied that the anti-depressant given Foster by the doctor was for depression. It was not. Fiske and Starr could easily have determined this. So they deliberately LIED. And if your foolish enough to believe such lies I can understand why you'd be so supportive of the Clintons. They made lying an art.

You have no proof of anything at all either.

False. I provided statements by the doctor that Foster was given a prescription TO HELP HIM SLEEP BETTER. I have provided links that prove the dosage of that prescription was that recommended for insomnia ... not depression. I have provided statements from Foster's wife, family, friends and work associates indicating that Foster was not depressed. It is you who has not proven anything. All you have is speculation by Fiske and Starr ... proven liars.

If he had any addictions to prescriptions, that might make sense. But he didn't.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,984262-1,00.html "IN MID-1993, ... snip ... He got a prescription for sleeping pills, but then refused to take them, saying he was afraid he'd become addicted."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940701.htm "He would not take sleeping pills because he feared becoming addicted."

Nevertheless, it is an antidepressant.

It was not prescribed for depression. It was prescribed for it's OTHER listed use. For insomnia. Spin all you want, Tricky ... you will not change the fact that Fiske and Starr LIED when they claimed the doctor prescribed medicine to treat clinical depression.

In retrospect, it is easier to diagnose clinical depression after the patient has committed suicide.

Listen to yourself. You are committing a basic error in logic ... assuming that which you wish to prove true. The actual facts seem to fit the possibility that Foster was murdered just as well or even better than a suicide. In which case, the diagnosis of clinical depression after the fact could just be part of the coverup of that murder. NO ONE amongst all his friends and associates at the time of the death indicated he showed any signs of depression. Fiske and Starr lied when they later claimed they did.
 
Thus if I had written "fighting ---> prescription" it would mean "fighting led to prescription". Which as Tricky has pointed out makes no sense. Leading to the conjecture that Foster was fighting something that the detective left out...like depression.

Or insomnia? That conjecture works even better since the prescription that was issued was clearly for insomnia, not depression. Especially since Foster had indeed been "fighting" insomnia for some time. :D

By the way, did you ever come up with a website supporting your *expert* claim that the prescription Foster was given was for anything other than insomnia? Would you like me to post a few more supporting what I said keeping in mind that Foster was prescribed an initial dose of 50 mg increasing to 150 mg, that was to be given at bedtime?

http://www.rxlist.com/desyrel-drug.htm

DESYREL is indicated for the treatment of depression. ... snip ... An initial dose of 150 mg/day in divided doses is suggested.The dose may be increased by 50 mg/day every three to four days. The maximum dose for outpatients usually should not exceed 400 mg/day in divided doses.

http://www.psychatlanta.com/documents/trazadone.pdf

When prescribed for insomnia and sleep disturbance, the usual dose for trazodone is 50–100 mg at bedtime, but some patients may need doses as high as 150–200 mg. ... snip ... For treatment of depression, trazodone is gradually increased to the effective therapeutic dosage of 300–400 mg, although some individuals may require dosages up to 600 mg."

http://books.google.com/books?id=4g...&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result

Symptom-Focused Psychiatric Drug Therapy for Managed Care, By Sonny Joseph ... snip ... For treatment of insomnia and as an adjunctive medication, the dosage range is 50 to 150 mg, given at bedtime for insomnia, and in divided doses for other purposes.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cach...+dosage+AD+Schmetzer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

Two of the most commonly used medications for insomnia in the United States are ... snip ... and the antidepressant trazodone (Desyrel) used in the range of 25 to 150 mg, which is lower than its effective antidepressant dose.
 
Could I ask you a favor? Would you please bullet your best arguments? You have posted so much that it's too much to wade through.

Before I go to that trouble, let's establish whether you are open to a few possibilities.

Are you open to the possibility that Vince Foster was murdered? And if he was murdered, would you agree there might be reason to question making Hillary Secretary of State given her actions following his death?

Will you agree that even if Foster wasn't murdered, efforts by her to obstruct justice in the Whitewater case, if evident, would be reason to question making Hillary Secretary of State?

Are you open to the possibility that Hillary was involved in Filegate? And if she was, would you agree there is then good reason to question making her Secretary of State?

Are you open to the possibility that Hillary was involved in ChinaGate and CampaignFinanceGate? And if she was, would you agree that would be a good reason not to make her Secretary of State?

And finally, are you open to the possibility that Kenneth Starr was controlled by the Clintons? And if he was, can you trust any outcome of any investigation he was involved in related to them?
 
I think we can safely say that somebody here has a dislike of Bill and Hilary that borderlines on obsessive.

Why is it obsessive to be concerned that the person Obama picked for Secretary of State is a criminal who showed little regard for laws prohibiting foreigners from influencing our elections, for laws protecting the privacy of individuals, for laws prohibiting obstruction of justice and possible for laws prohibiting murder? You clearly don't want to argue the facts so you try this red herring instead. If there is any obsessiveness being displayed here, it's by the folks defending the Clintons via red herrings. Perhaps we should call it the Cult of Clinton. :D
 
It is your explanation that makes no sense. Everyone involved ... Foster's wife, Foster's family, Foster's friends, Foster's workmates ... all said at the time of his death when questioned by Park Police and the FBI that Foster was NOT depressed or showing any indication of being depressed. His death came as a complete surprise. Even his doctor only indicated "mild" depression after the doctor said Foster came to him with complaints of insomnia. Furthermore, the doctor clearly treated insomnia rather than depression given that the dosage of drug that was prescribed was for insomnia, not depression. This I proved. Foster's wife told the FBI that he was afraid of a sleeping pill addiction. So it is not at all inconceivable that the FBI agent could have written "fighting prescription" to indicate that fact.

Are you suggesting that no doctor has ever failed to diagnose clinical depression? As was mentioned before, doctors tend to start treatment at low levels and move up if needed.

You can spin for all you are worth, Tricky, but the fact remains that Fiske and Starr LIED about Foster being clinically depressed. He was NOT.
No, it sounds like Starr interpreted clinical depression from one of the most diagnostic characteristics, namely suicide. That's not a lie.

They lied that the anti-depressant given Foster by the doctor was for depression. It was not. Fiske and Starr could easily have determined this. So they deliberately LIED. And if your foolish enough to believe such lies I can understand why you'd be so supportive of the Clintons. They made lying an art.
Yeah. I'm foolish. As are all all the members of all three investigations and every judge that ruled on them.

As for the Clintons, yes, they did lie about some things, yet apparently not enough so to ever be convicted of a crime. More judges in on the conspiracy?

This I proved. Foster's wife told the FBI that he was afraid of a sleeping pill addiction. So it is not at all inconceivable that the FBI agent could have written "fighting prescription" to indicate that fact.

You haven't proved anything. You have asserted. You still give absolutely no plausible reason for why a person would "fight a prescription", while ignoring quite plausible reasons why someone might scribble "fighting (depression). (Given) prescription." You would rather invent a hitherto unheard of idiom.

I have provided statements from Foster's wife, family, friends and work associates indicating that Foster was not depressed. It is you who has not proven anything. All you have is speculation by Fiske and Starr ... proven liars.
Yet the doctor, a professional, asserts he was mildly depressed. Do you have any reason to assume that all of these non-professionals should be trusted with a diagnosis? Depression isn't always evident. It fools doctors too. It is an extremely unpredictable illness. How many times have you heard somebody say of a suicide victim, "I never would have expected this of him"?

It was not prescribed for depression. It was prescribed for it's OTHER listed use. For insomnia. Spin all you want, Tricky ... you will not change the fact that Fiske and Starr LIED when they claimed the doctor prescribed medicine to treat clinical depression.

Yes, it was for insomnia, though it is still an anti-depressant. But he never took a single one. I don't know that he ever even filled the prescription. And even if he was worried that he might become addicted, that leads even more to the liklihood that he was very worried. Tell me, BAC. What might lead one to commit suicide? Could it possibly be that he was very worried? Oh, I know you won't call it "clinical depression" but let's face it, not all suicides have been diagnosed as clinically depressed.

Listen to yourself. You are committing a basic error in logic ... assuming that which you wish to prove true.
I have no wishes in this, other than to evaluate the evidence. You, on the other hand, have often demonstrated a hatred for anything that relates to the Clintons. Which of us is the more biased?

Three investigations, including at least one hostile one have said it was a suicide. The amount of cover-up that would be necessary to hide a murder would be incredible. It would require hundreds of people, from Ken Starr to the cops that investigated to the CIA... Really BAC. Look at yourself. You sound desperate.

NO ONE amongst all his friends and associates at the time of the death indicated he showed any signs of depression. Fiske and Starr lied when they later claimed they did.
And which of those have come out and said it wasn't a suicide? How many? All of them? Does his family want more investigation? No they don't. They filed suit to prevent it.
Also, lawyers for the family said Favish "has produced no evidence of government wrongdoing, or shown that access to the photos is necessary to confirm or refute that evidence, as various courts have required.

If they can let go, why can't you? Let me guess. His family is in on the conspiracy too.
 
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Are you suggesting that no doctor has ever failed to diagnose clinical depression?

I'm saying the facts at hand ... the statements made by Foster's wife, family, friends and coworkers at the time of his death ... do not fit the description of clinical depression. I'm saying the doctor who actually saw Foster did not describe clinical depression. I'm saying that Fiske and Starr clearly lied when they said those folks said Foster was depressed immediately after he died. I'm saying that Fiske and Starr clearly lied when they claimed the anti-depressant was prescribed for depression. I'm saying that the doctor Starr cited to support the post-facto claim of clinical depression based his opinion on bogus facts told to him by Starr and did not use the procedure he'd successfully used in other cases when estimating the likelihood that Foster was suicidal. How can that be unclear to you at this point, Tricky?

As was mentioned before, doctors tend to start treatment at low levels and move up if needed.

As the numerous medical sources I supplied indicate, the dosage at which treatment for insomnia and depression starts is quite different. The sources seem to indicate that the dosage for treatment of depression would start at 3 times the dosage the doctor actually prescribed. The dosage that was prescribed is the recommended starting dosage for insomnia. You're spinning, Tricky. And everyone can see it.

No, it sounds like Starr interpreted clinical depression from one of the most diagnostic characteristics, namely suicide. That's not a lie.

Again, you are assuming that Foster committed suicide in order to defend Starr from charges of covering up a murder. Don't you see the logical fallacy in that?

Yeah. I'm foolish. As are all all the members of all three investigations and every judge that ruled on them.

As pointed out, there weren't three independent investigations. And the judges that ruled on Starr's investigation forced him to include an addendum that charged him with a coverup and intimidation of witnesses. The first time such a thing has happened to a special prosecutor in history.

As for the Clintons, yes, they did lie about some things, yet apparently not enough so to ever be convicted of a crime.

I guess you forgot that Bill Clinton lost his license to practice law for lying? And in fact, the reason they weren't convicted is that they weren't prosecuted. That's easy to prevent when you own the DOJ and you have a Senate that wouldn't have voted to convict even if a Clinton had raped a woman in the Rotunda of Capital building.

You haven't proved anything. You have asserted.

False. I linked you to the FBI interview notes that stated Foster's wife told the the FBI that Foster was afraid of a sleeping pill addition. And above I've supplied sources from such left wing sources as Time Magazine that corroborate this fear.

You still give absolutely no plausible reason for why a person would "fight a prescription", while ignoring quite plausible reasons why someone might scribble "fighting (depression). (Given) prescription."

I suggest you read my response to gdnp about that. Given all the other facts that are known, it's more plausible the agent was abbreviating the expression "fighting (insomnia). (Given) prescription." :D

You would rather invent a hitherto unheard of idiom.

You would rather invent facts not in evidence and ignore what the facts in evidence actually say.

Yet the doctor, a professional, asserts he was mildly depressed.

It must have been mild enough that no one else who knew Foster detected ANY depression. That's pretty mild. And mild is NOT clinical ... which is what Fiske and Starr claimed.

Do you have any reason to assume that all of these non-professionals should be trusted with a diagnosis?

Do you have any reason to assume that people close to Foster wouldn't be able to detect if he was depressed?

Depression isn't always evident. It fools doctors too. It is an extremely unpredictable illness.

See how desperate the Clinton supporters are, folks? They are simply conjecturing ... making up things ... in order to justify Fiske and Starr's clear lies. If they'll do that here ... will they do it for Obama when the time comes that's necessary?

Yes, it was for insomnia, though it is still an anti-depressant.

Irrelevant. As prescribed, it is for insomnia and nothing else. If Foster had significant depression, he would have been prescribed the drug at the dosage needed to treat depression. The fact remains that Starr LIED when he claimed the drug was prescribed for depression. Why'd he lie? That proves Starr was corrupt. He was not an honest investigator in this matter. The fact remains that the ONLY doctor to actually see Foster described is depression as MILD, not clinical. The fact remains that EVERYONE around Foster at the time of his death said he was NOT depressed. And no amount of spin on your part changes that, Tricky.

I have no wishes in this, other than to evaluate the evidence.

Yeah. Sure. You certainly are proving that on this thread. :rolleyes:

You, on the other hand, have often demonstrated a hatred for anything that relates to the Clintons.

Hatred is not a factor here, Tricky. I don't *hate* the Clintons. I just think they are criminals who should no longer be in government for all the harm they did a decade ago.

Which of us is the more biased?

The one throwing out red herrings and ignoring the actual facts? The one belonging to the Cult of Clinton?

Three investigations, including at least one hostile one have said it was a suicide.

You can repeat that all you want. That doesn't change the facts. As Rodriguez pointed out, three investigations were not independent. They were all controlled by an FBI that Clinton controlled. They all ignored the same evidence. They all tampered with evidence.

The amount of cover-up that would be necessary to hide a murder would be incredible.

No, as Rodriguez pointed out, all one has to do is control a few key people. And regardless of however many it took, the facts suggest there was a coverup. You can't explain those facts (you don't even try to explain them) so you just ignore them and throw out this red herring. Sorry, it doesn't wash.

Really BAC. Look at yourself. You sound desperate

The desperate person is the one ignoring longs lists of facts they can't begin to explain. That would be you, Tricky.

If they can let go, why can't you?

Maybe they are just too close to the problem? :D
 
You're spinning, Tricky. And everyone can see it.
Ah, a segue from inanity to meta-inanity. I'll bet that not only is it false that "everyone can see it", but it may even be the case that you're the only member following this thread who can see it. Such is the way of zealotry.
 

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