How 9/11 was done

[A W Smith]

this thread debunked by page one

9/11 investigator, I posted Linda Grondlunds phone call back on page one. And here you are 15 pages later just discovering its inconvenience to your fantasy? Some investigator you are. Not even reading your own thread.

 

[DGM]

Maybe somebody as asked this, maybe not, maybe it was ignored.

Why go to all this bother? Why make any "fake" calls?

Could you please explain why so much effort and man power was put into making faking phone calls?

Would it have not been easier, less complex, to make no calls?

The thing is a "true" conspiracy only exists if it's impossibly complex. Perpetrators of these conspiracies must make them complicated and leave clues that only those with "special" insight (plus the NWO loves to **** with these guys) can decipher. Keeping this in mind, the phone calls are then crucial to the plan.

 

[X]

Maybe somebody as asked this, maybe not, maybe it was ignored.

Why go to all this bother? Why make any "fake" calls?

Could you please explain why so much effort and man power was put into making faking phone calls?

Would it have not been easier, less complex, to make no calls?

Why make any "fake" calls?
Simple.
Because the phone calls happened.

Even the truth movement does not deny calls took place.

Having people call their family and say their aircraft has been hijacked is, to put it mildly, inconvenient for their theories.

This forces the members of the truth movement to explain the phone calls away as not being indicative of what actually happened on the planes. They've tried saying that the people calling were in on it, were forced to do it, or that the calls were faked. These hypothesis become extremely complicated extremely quickly due to the implications and requirements they have.

But the truth movement can not afford to ignore them, because it is direct witness testimony that the aircraft were hijacked by Arabs. Arabs who, according to much of the truth movement, were not present on the aircraft, or could not have possible hijacked airplanes armed only with box cutters.

That's why "fake" calls were made. It's the only way the truthers can discount the eyewitness testimony demonstrating that the aircraft were indeed hijacked. Sort of like how they conveniently ignore the physical limitations of flying aircraft, or the capabilities of the technology existing at the time.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

9/11-Investigator is not investigating the truth, he's writing a novel...a badly plotted novel, but a novel nonetheless.

OH NOES! Isn't that how Loose Change got started?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Are these the same Mossad agents that were dancing on the roof of a van filiming their handy work?

Of course not. Even Mossad agents cannot be at 2 different places at the same time. These dancing Israelis were the simpletons... they mounted the packages in the WTC elevators shafts. Then their job was done and they could go sight seeing and have a little party at the Hudson river bank. This was the largest mistake they made. But what can you expect from simpletons?

I have to postulate the existence of a sort of war room, possibly in the building of UMS, possibly led by Dominic Sutter (the guy who fled to Israel after a first interrogation). Picture a room with say 3 men and 2 women with head set's plus some senior advisors. They are watching a large screen connected to a desktop computer (beamer). Information is slowly scrolling by which in it's turn is partly fed by SMS's coming in from other Mossad aids at the departure airports; Sutter or an aid copies the text content of the SMS's into the computer for everybody to see on the screen:

7:40 flight11 started taxiing
7:59 flight11 takes of

etc. see this table

Let's assume there is a agreed upon time span between take-off and the time to switch to remote control; not equal for all 4 flights of course to avoid suspicion. The world is full of would be Sherlock Holmes's.

In the same link 'Phone Calls' paragraph.

At 8:19 Sutter types in: Sarah --> "Betty Ong"
(Sarah is a female Mossad agent present in the war room); on screen in black font an outline is presented of things that Sarah needs to say. The text slowly scrolls by. When Sutter or other supervisors want to make suggestions they enter text in the stream as well in red font.

8:25 Sutter types: Havi --> "Madeline Sweeney"

The number is auto-dialed, the voices of Sarah and Havi are processed by the voice morphing computer before the modified versions are sent over the telephone line with a modified caller-id.

This is repeated for all the names on the list. When a conversation comes in difficult territory or the Israeli caller does not know what to say, the standard phrase 'I have to hang up' is said.

This is how it was done on the day of 9/11.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Of course not. Even Mossad agents cannot be at 2 different places at the same time. These dancing Israelis were the simpletons... they mounted the packages in the WTC elevators shafts.

Do you have any evidence for this?

I have to postulate the existence of a sort of war room, possibly in the building of UMS, possibly led by Dominic Sutter (the guy who fled to Israel after a first interrogation). Picture a room with say 3 men and 2 women with head set's plus some senior advisors. They are watching a large screen connected to a desktop computer (beamer). Information is slowly scrolling by which in it's turn is partly fed by SMS's coming in from other Mossad aids at the departure airports; Sutter or an aid copies the text content of the SMS's into the computer for everybody to see on the screen:

7:40 flight11 started taxiing
7:59 flight11 takes of

etc. see this table

Let's assume there is a agreed upon time span between take-off and the time to switch to remote control; not equal for all 4 flights of course to avoid suspicion. The world is full of would be Sherlock Holmes's.

In the same link 'Phone Calls' paragraph.

At 8:19 Sutter types in: Sarah --> "Betty Ong"
(Sarah is a female Mossad agent present in the war room); on screen in black font an outline is presented of things that Sarah needs to say. The text slowly scrolls by. When Sutter or other supervisors want to make suggestions they enter text in the stream as well in red font.

8:25 Sutter types: Havi --> "Madeline Sweeney"

The number is auto-dialed, the voices of Sarah and Havi are processed by the voice morphing computer before the modified versions are sent over the telephone line with a modified caller-id.

This is repeated for all the names on the list. When a conversation comes in difficult territory or the Israeli caller does not know what to say, the standard phrase 'I have to hang up' is said.

This is how it was done on the day of 9/11.

The computer you're referring to can't do real-time voice morphing. Oh, and have you read the Betty Ong transcript?

I notice that you're still not talking about how they got the voice samples.

Nor the thorny question of whether there's any evidence for any of this.

 

[Sunstealer]

These dancing Israelis were the simpletons... they mounted the packages in the WTC elevators shafts. Then their job was done and they could go sight seeing and have a little party at the Hudson river bank. This was the largest mistake they made. But what can you expect from simpletons?

So the most complex, convoluted, technologically difficult, physically impossible conspiracy was carried out by simpletons. I get it.

 

[9/11-investigator]

So the most complex, convoluted, technologically difficult, physically impossible conspiracy was carried out by simpletons. I get it.

You do not get it at all.

These 'dancers' where the guys that did the physical job of mounting the explosives in the elevator shaft and the 'documenting of the event' with camera's. They had nothing to do with the working out of the plot. That was done by Zakheim, who combined his knowledge of the WTC architecture, of remote controlled airplanes, his PNAC membership, his Israeli affiliations in combination with Clean Brake and his intimate knowledge of Pentagon accounting to come up with the plot and choose WTC and Pentagon (goal: destroying comptrollers + financial data) as targets.

These guys in the war room operated on a complexity level between the lower end 'dancers' and the highest level Zalheim/Olmert/Netanjahu.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Do you have any evidence for this?

This is the recurring questons my opponents keep asking, implicitly suggesting that they themselves do possess proof of their OCT, which is not the case.

Let's put it this way...

Suppose you are participating in one of those television games shows where you have to guess a hidden word. On the basis of your efforts in the show you got to the point that you reached this pattern:

D*BU*K**

You need 4 more letters to know the solution. In theory there are 26*26*26*26 = some 400,000 solutions to the problem. In practice however you can deduce from the context that the second letter almost certainly must be an 'E'. The fourth letter can only be a C, F, L, M, N, R, S.
With this knowledge in your brain you scan the possibilities and after half a minute or so you will find the most likely solution:

DEBUNKER

Can you 'prove' this? No. But the game show rules dictate that you have to give the answer in 1 minute, so you take the risk and say the solution is DEBUNKER. And the game show host to your relieve will tell you that it was the right answer and that you can go home with your 64,000 dollar.

It is much the same with solving 9/11. The '9/11 solution space' seems almost infinite but on closer review it is not. Most sane people without an agenda who give 9/11 a closer inspection come to the conclusion that the OCT does not add up (more on that in a follow-up post).

It starts with the controlled demolition of the WTC. Once you accept this the Arabs are almost certainly out. Reasonable follow-up conclusion --> 9/11 = inside job.

Next observation: dancing Israelis who turned out to be Mossad agents. --> Israeli involvement. This is affirmed with the involvement of Silverstein, also by the Israeli security firms who did the departure airports and WTC, by Zakheim's role, the Odigo story, etc., etc.

Next deduction: if there were no Arab suicide pilots but American or Israeli inside job than it must be remote control. Americans or Israeli do not do suicide missions.

Next deduction: there were said to be phone calls from the airplanes that stated that the planes were hijacked by Arabs with box cutters. This how the blame was laid with the Arabs. We have already accepted that there were no Arabs, so the phone calls had to be fake. The only way we can explain these phone calls is with voice morphing. The technology was available. Hence the idea of a war room.

My whole story is a consequence of 2 observations:

1. controlled demolition of WTC
2. the dancing Israelis.

The rest follows by reasonable deduction. This is not enough for conviction but more than enough for reopening the 9/11 investigation (but certainly not by the US-government).

 

[dtugg]

This is the recurring questons my opponents keep asking, implicitly suggesting that they themselves do possess proof of their OCT, which is not the case.

Sorry you are wrong. There is a huge amount of evidence proving the "OTC." The fact that you are ignorant of it is nobody's problem but your own. The "OCT" has been proven in a court of law and as some more conspirators like KSM are tried, will likely be proven again.

It starts with the controlled demolition of the WTC. Once you accept this the Arabs are almost certainly out. Reasonable follow-up conclusion --> 9/11 = inside job

There is zero evidence of a controlled demolition at the WTC. Therefore you cannot start from there.

Next observation: dancing Israelis who turned out to be Mossad agents. --> Israeli involvement. This is affirmed with the involvement of Silverstein, also by the Israeli security firms who did the departure airports and WTC, by Zakheim's role, the Odigo story, etc., etc

There is no evidence that the "dancing Israelis" were Mossad agents or that they even had foreknowledge of the events. There is no evidence that Silverstien was involved (he actually lost a lot of money because of what happened). I've never heard the claim that Israeli security firms worked the departure airports or the WTC. Can you back it up? Doubtful. There is zero evidence that Zakheim was involved (other than that he's a Jew of course). The "Odigo waring" was just a text message sent to two employees in Israel and may well have been a coincidence.

You have nothing.

 

[9/11-investigator]

This weekend I found this link, an old article in the largest German weekly Der Spiegel, published 6 weeks after 9/11.

Titel: Entführte Maschinen landen selbständig (hijacked planes land automatically).

Some highlights:

In Amerika arbeiten Ingenieure daran, entführte Maschinen künftig durch einen verbesserten Autopiloten ohne Hilfe des Cockpits auf dem nächstgelegenen Flughafen zu landen - ein Notschalter, von der Crew oder der Bodenkontrolle betätigt, soll dann die Hebel im Flugzeug blockieren und den Entführern die Kontrolle aus der Hand nehmen. (In America engineers are working on a system with which hijacked planes can land at a nearby airport through an upgraded version of the autopilot, without any help from the cockpit, by pressing on an emergency button by the crew or ground control, which will block all controls).

BINGO.

Wie jetzt bekannt wurde, haben Techniker des US-Luftfahrt- und Rüstungskonzerns Raytheon bereits im August ein mit einem speziellen Notlandesystem ausgestattetes Passagierflugzeug sechsmal erfolgreich auf dem Militärflughafen Holloman in New Mexico gelandet ohne dass die Piloten den Flugplatz angesteuert hätten. (It is now known that technicians of US-aerospace and defense contractor Raytheon as early as August 2001 carried out six successful emergency landings on military airport Holloman using a special emergence landing system without the pilot aiming for this particular airport.)

Conclusion: they were actively working on a 'home run' system before 9/11. I am not suggesting that the 9/11 planes were steered into their targets by this Raytheon system. I am suggesting though that there probably was an 'arms race' going on between several aerospace firms like Raytheon and Boeing and others on the issue of anti-hijack rescue systems.

And nobody else was better placed to know these kind of things than our friend 9/11 mastermind Dov Zakheim, who at that time had been CEO of the firm SPC that was competing in this market for remote control of airplanes.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Here is a link that I just found:

Boeing Fitting Aircraft With Illegal Parts?
Chip that was illegally installed in 2000 could have been utilized to execute 9/11 attacks

According to the Associated Press, from 2000 to 2003 Boeing shipped 94 airliners oversees, mainly to China, that contained the chip, a device used for "military applications," stated the report.

According to the Seattle Times, "The QRS-11 chip, made by a unit of BEI Technologies in Concord, Calif., is just over 1-½ inches in diameter and weighs about 2 ounces. It sells for between $1,000 and $2,000. Described as "a gyro on a chip," it is used to help control the flight of missiles and aircraft."

 

[240-185]

Comparing debunking and Wheel of Fortune, is just... dumb. You have just forgotten one important thing: in Wheel of Fortune, words exist in a dictionary or an encyclopedia. They are taken directly from these but you are just ignoring away that evidence. So you'll never see word games in which you will have to found words written in an alien language. You're nominated for Novembre Stundies because of that.

We have already accepted that there were no Arabs, so the phone calls had to be fake.

Wrong, and you're oversimplifying by calling fundamentalist terrorists "Arabs". The passengers manifest prove that they were in the planes. The treasury of United Airlines and Amercian Airlines prove thay they went aboard, as they PAID their flight.

 

[GStan]

Here is a link that I just found:

Boeing Fitting Aircraft With Illegal Parts?
Chip that was illegally installed in 2000 could have been utilized to execute 9/11 attacks

According to the Associated Press, from 2000 to 2003 Boeing shipped 94 airliners oversees, mainly to China, that contained the chip, a device used for "military applications," stated the report.

According to the Seattle Times, "The QRS-11 chip, made by a unit of BEI Technologies in Concord, Calif., is just over 1-½ inches in diameter and weighs about 2 ounces. It sells for between $1,000 and $2,000. Described as "a gyro on a chip," it is used to help control the flight of missiles and aircraft."

Sorry but you are wrong again. The chips were not "illegally installed." The were installed completely legally. They help the pilots control the plane. The illegal part of the story was that Boeing was not supposed to sell these parts to China because the chips had a military application as well.

Did you even try to read the article this came from, or did you just believe Prison Planet article without any further research?

 

[dtugg]

And nobody else was better placed to know these kind of things than our friend 9/11 mastermind Dov Zakheim , who at that time had been CEO of the firm SPC that was competing in this market for remote control of airplanes.

You do realize that you are guilty of libel by writing this since you have zero evidence that he was involved, right? You are lucky that nothing you say matters otherwise he could easily sue you and win.

Here is a link that I just found:

Boeing Fitting Aircraft With Illegal Parts?
Chip that was illegally installed in 2000 could have been utilized to execute 9/11 attacks

According to the Associated Press, from 2000 to 2003 Boeing shipped 94 airliners oversees, mainly to China, that contained the chip, a device used for "military applications," stated the report.

According to the Seattle Times, "The QRS-11 chip, made by a unit of BEI Technologies in Concord, Calif., is just over 1-½ inches in diameter and weighs about 2 ounces. It sells for between $1,000 and $2,000. Described as "a gyro on a chip," it is used to help control the flight of missiles and aircraft."

First of all, PrisonPlanet is about the least credible source for news in the entire world. Alex Jones and the Watson brothers are stupid, paranoid frauds.

Second, these planes are, I assume new ones delivered by Boeing. AA11, UA93, AA77, and UA175 were built in 1987, 1996, 1991, and 1983, respectively. There is no evidence that these chips were retroactively installed on these planes.

 

[ellindsey]

And thirdly, the QRS-11 is not a device which can take over an airplane, control its flight, steer a path into a specific location, or anything else the conspiracy would require. The QRS-11 is an angular rate sensor. That is, it is a device which senses rotation and produces an electric signal output indicating how quickly and in what direction it is rotation. That's it. That's all it does. Just a simple, single-purpose sensor. It is used in airplanes, and in cruise missiles and similar military applications, but there's nothing nefarious about the device itself.

 

[Dave Rogers]

According to the Seattle Times, "The QRS-11 chip, made by a unit of BEI Technologies in Concord, Calif., is just over 1-½ inches in diameter and weighs about 2 ounces. It sells for between $1,000 and $2,000. Described as "a gyro on a chip," it is used to help control the flight of missiles and aircraft."

This shows a spectacular lack of understanding. A gyroscope is used to provide a reference direction in an inertial guidance system. It doesn't control the aircraft or the missile, it simply provides a fixed co-ordinate system to whatever guidance system is installed. Claiming, as PrisonPlanet does, that this is "a chip that turns a plane into a remotely guided missile", is as absurd as claiming that fitting a compass to a sailing boat turns it into a self-steering torpedo. That's basically what this chip is: a type of compass. Trying to pretend it's some kind of automated guidance system is either deliberate and blatant misrepresentation or utter ignorance.

Dave

 

[Mashuna]

It starts with the controlled demolition of the WTC. Once you accept this the Arabs are almost certainly out. Reasonable follow-up conclusion --> 9/11 = inside job.

Next observation: dancing Israelis who turned out to be Mossad agents. --> Israeli involvement. This is affirmed with the involvement of Silverstein, also by the Israeli security firms who did the departure airports and WTC, by Zakheim's role, the Odigo story, etc., etc.

Next deduction: if there were no Arab suicide pilots but American or Israeli inside job than it must be remote control. Americans or Israeli do not do suicide missions.

Next deduction: there were said to be phone calls from the airplanes that stated that the planes were hijacked by Arabs with box cutters. This how the blame was laid with the Arabs. We have already accepted that there were no Arabs, so the phone calls had to be fake. The only way we can explain these phone calls is with voice morphing. The technology was available. Hence the idea of a war room.

My whole story is a consequence of 2 observations:

1. controlled demolition of WTC
2. the dancing Israelis.

The rest follows by reasonable deduction. This is not enough for conviction but more than enough for reopening the 9/11 investigation (but certainly not by the US-government).

So your entire story is based upon a false premise?

Look, you're not going to get much agreement around here with your first observation. Trying to persuade people to agree with your conclusions is therefore bound to fail.

 

[9/11-investigator]

For 15 pages in this thread we have been discussing 'my' little theory about how 9/11 was done. You have not been able to shoot it into pieces, although you understandably keep saying that there is no proof for it.

Now, let's turn the tables and see what you guys have to offer to back your story up. This weekend I saw this video for the second time.

In my opinion it is the best video about the destruction of the WTC I have seen so far.

16:30 - Dan Rather says that for the 3rd time today a building was deliberately destroyed by dynamite.
20:00 - the fire fighter about explosions
39:20 - the WTC twin towers were worthless aging dinosaurs.
41:00 - cost to tear WTC down estimated somewhere between 5-15 billion; WTC were 'condemned structures'; financial gain Silverstein: paid 3.2 billion, got 4.6, on his way to 7 billion.
45:00 - WTC was designed to withstand Boeing impact
56:00 - orange flashes as proof of explosives
1:04:00 - all core columns can be accessed through elevator shaft (hence easy to plant explosives)
1:05:00 - many/all columns found under the rubble were of 30 feet length... ready for shipment (hence the haste to get rid of and secrecy about this evidence).
1:05:45 - wireless detonation
1:08:40 - impossible collapse pattern
1:17:30 - squibs
1:20:30 - Where is the debris? The pancakes? WTC was fully pulverised.
1:24:20 - the openly lying NIST shill.
1:26:08 - molten iron visible.

It was a reconfirmation for the fact that WTC has been blown up by controlled demolition. The story you have seen on t.v. and are defending fanatically here has no credibility whatsoever. Invest 2 hours in carefully studying this video and you'll know that the official conspiracy theory cannot be true and that we have to deal with an inside job.

 

[apathoid]

Here is a link that I just found:

Boeing Fitting Aircraft With Illegal Parts?
Chip that was illegally installed in 2000 could have been utilized to execute 9/11 attacks

According to the Associated Press, from 2000 to 2003 Boeing shipped 94 airliners oversees, mainly to China, that contained the chip, a device used for "military applications," stated the report.

According to the Seattle Times, "The QRS-11 chip, made by a unit of BEI Technologies in Concord, Calif., is just over 1-½ inches in diameter and weighs about 2 ounces. It sells for between $1,000 and $2,000. Described as "a gyro on a chip," it is used to help control the flight of missiles and aircraft."

Wow! Stop the presses!! You mean airliners are built with mil-spec parts!!?? That appalling! And what would an airliner be doing with gyros?! It's crazy!

Oh wait. This is common knowledge to anyone who has ever worked on a commercial airliner. Vendors mass produce parts that work on both civilian and military aircraft. Who woulda thunk it?

9/11 Investigator, here is something for you to invesitigate. Why would an airliner need a gyro, or any device that may help determine attitude, direction and position? The answer is right here in this very thread. Its a paper on this very topic(remote control airliners) and its been linked many times already. Just do a forum search on "Remote Takeover".

This weekend I found this link, an old article in the largest German weekly Der Spiegel, published 6 weeks after 9/11.

Titel: Entführte Maschinen landen selbständig (hijacked planes land automatically).

Some highlights:

In Amerika arbeiten Ingenieure daran, entführte Maschinen künftig durch einen verbesserten Autopiloten ohne Hilfe des Cockpits auf dem nächstgelegenen Flughafen zu landen - ein Notschalter, von der Crew oder der Bodenkontrolle betätigt, soll dann die Hebel im Flugzeug blockieren und den Entführern die Kontrolle aus der Hand nehmen. (In America engineers are working on a system with which hijacked planes can land at a nearby airport through an upgraded version of the autopilot, without any help from the cockpit, by pressing on an emergency button by the crew or ground control, which will block all controls).

BINGO.

Wie jetzt bekannt wurde, haben Techniker des US-Luftfahrt- und Rüstungskonzerns Raytheon bereits im August ein mit einem speziellen Notlandesystem ausgestattetes Passagierflugzeug sechsmal erfolgreich auf dem Militärflughafen Holloman in New Mexico gelandet ohne dass die Piloten den Flugplatz angesteuert hätten. (It is now known that technicians of US-aerospace and defense contractor Raytheon as early as August 2001 carried out six successful emergency landings on military airport Holloman using a special emergence landing system without the pilot aiming for this particular airport.)

Conclusion: they were actively working on a 'home run' system before 9/11. I am not suggesting that the 9/11 planes were steered into their targets by this Raytheon system. I am suggesting though that there probably was an 'arms race' going on between several aerospace firms like Raytheon and Boeing and others on the issue of anti-hijack rescue systems.

And nobody else was better placed to know these kind of things than our friend 9/11 mastermind Dov Zakheim, who at that time had been CEO of the firm SPC that was competing in this market for remote control of airplanes.

Addressed in the above paper. It's talking about JPALS which I've covered in depth many, many times on this forum as well. Do a forum search. You are about the tenth person who "found" this same article.

It's not clear to me if the original article was translated poorly or written by someone who is as clueless about aviation as I am at cricket. But I will say that aviation illiterates will have a tough time with this subject. But its just basically a system which now utilizes GPS instead the older radio based navigational aids. Much ado about nothing.

BTW 9/11 Investigator, did you read my earlier post?