Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[eirik]

Dave- Lets for arguments sake imagine that you were right. You had the proper permit, and everything was perfectly legal. On halloween the police didn't show, you performed to your best with the the invocations and your equipment, and the voices were speaking like they were supposed to.

Do you think that it may help communications with the JREF forumites and the JREF representatives if you clarify what you were doing, and under what conditions? I'm convinced this would be of tremendous help in the design of a protocol, and later with the negotiations of a protocol with the JREF.

 

[gdnp]

Dave- Lets for arguments sake imagine that you were right. You had the proper permit, and everything was perfectly legal. On halloween the police didn't show, you performed to your best with the the invocations and your equipment, and the voices were speaking like they were supposed to.

Do you think that it may help communications with the JREF forumites and the JREF representatives if you clarify what you were doing, and under what conditions? I'm convinced this would be of tremendous help in the design of a protocol, and later with the negotiations of a protocol with the JREF.

Yes. A transcript of what took place would be quite helpful. If speech was recorded, an audio sample would be of great help.

 

[Marcus]

Something is not adding up. He can't have been turned away on Haloween, since evidently everything was legal and above board. Yet had he put on his performance, he would have told us, even if there weren't any voices, he could have found a way to put a good spin on it.

 

[fakejakesnake]

Context

As a research assistant, I might take this moment to provide context to the recent protocol assistance requests by TP. It is my hope that in viewing this context, the protocol will move along at a quicker, and more accurate rate by not wasting any time rehashing areas already moved beyond.

Because some of his remarks are taken out of context (though self-evident in their detachment), I have provided the date of each so that if further context is desired or needed, you will find it effortless to contextualize his comments.

All remarks are from this thread:

20th August 2008, 11:41 PM
My contact requests and questions will be delivered in at least 5 different languages and a visual Sign language.

Interpreters will be on hand to provide the very best translations of recordings and communications with the entities.

I'm am usually booked as a mentalist but often go beyond that label and make Paranormal Predictions and other Paranormal Activities that evolve around the Devil's Chair.

6th September 2008, 03:38 PM
I would like to thank the JREF for accepting the media and academic materials, and I am thrilled to continue with the Protocol.

6th September 2008, 07:59 PM
I am looking forward to working with RemieV on an acceptable protocol as MattC and I are both convinced of this.

9th September 2008, 03:39 PM
I am working with Alison on this as best I can.

9th September 2008, 04:55 PM
I will be seated on the Devil's Chair. There will be several "interpreters" around me. These are people who speak more than one language. They will be at least efficiently bi-lingual. Each one is fluent in a different language.

I will speak into a microphone and "broadcast" into the various frequencies of the spectrum.
The first question I ask will be " What is your name?" in each of the agreed upon languages.

I'm sure that together we can come up with a fair protocol.

11th September 2008, 12:26 PM
I am revamping my application as suggested by helpful members here to make it clearer and more "testable" for the JREF. I should have the new version emailed to Alison Smith in a day or two.


14th September 2008, 12:07 PM
2) I will sit on the Devil's Chair on (10/31/2008) and ask questions (In more than one language) of Entities that are Paranormal (Invisible, not of THIS World) in nature.

4) Their answers will be obvious and clearly understandable. No judgement or translation will be needed unless the answers are in languages other than English. Translators will be on hand.

I DO want to take the challenge! I am working on the protocol as best I can.

16th September 2008, 01:29 PM
I perform for about a million people each year.

This Challenge is about a Paranormal Event. One that Houdini himself helped to set up! Also Thomas Edison agreed that this could happen and was indeed Paranormal.

16th September 2008, 01:48 PM
I have several interested parties in the media who are very interested in this story. I think you can see the possibilities.

16th September 2008, 04:03 PM
What I claim is a Paranormal Event with me at the center of it.

16th September 2008, 04:48 PM
I have stated my claim and my protocol.

18th September 2008, 11:36 AM
I have the right to hire a professional to help me through all of this Red Tape, and I've done so.

I have also contacted Jim Callahan, who is in contact with Uri Geller, for their input, since I know that both of them are reading this thread and seeing if I get a fair shake at the Challenge.

Uncle Walter and his Hollywood buddies are also watching with interest.

Not to hide anything, I was flown to Hollywood last year while involved with the production of Uri Geller's TV show on NBC (I was there for several days on Their Dime ). I also Currently work for NBC.

18th September 2008, 11:43 AM
The writer is to help with the CHALLENGE CLAIM! Not the protocol.

18th September 2008, 12:15 PM
The writer will make sure everything is on the up and up. Some words have double meanings and sometimes what the JREF itself asks is unclear. So I've gotten a professional writer to look through everything and dot the "i"s and cross the "t"s if you will.

19th September 2008, 02:09 AM
You would literally be knocked out if I told you who has been helping me!
I am so excited!
It is all coming together. The Event Location, Time, and the Paranormal Proof!

19th September 2008, 04:02 AM
I hope to have all of this completed by tomorrow.
I will take another day off work just make sure!

19th September 2008, 01:04 PM
The thoughts that I've given are my own. The writers have something a bit different and one hasn't gotten his part completed yet. I will give my own ideas for the moment.

I have taken Jackalgirl's advise and removed Entity all together.

23rd September 2008, 08:10 PM
The Faraday cage is soundproof as Mr. Callahan has noted. Filled with acoustical padding.

The Place, Time and Invocation are all vital to the Paranormal Event!

24th September 2008, 08:51 AM
That's what you critical thinkers do.... Catch us trailer trash no goods after you eagerly discriminated against us in your robust and friendly fashion

25th September 2008, 11:37 PM
I will email the finalized claim in the morning or late afternoon when I return from work. We have no internet access on our current work location.

29th September 2008, 08:31 AM
I am here to work on the Protocol.

1st October 2008, 08:52 PM
Here is the claim as sent to Jeff Wagg ....

On October 31st at The Devils Chair in Lake Helen Florida, I, David Koenig, will cause voices to appear audibly (Or visibly) on previously blank magnetic recording tapes by Paranormal, or Scientifically Unexplainable, means."

2nd October 2008, 09:09 AM
I am SIMPLIFYING the situation. A simple Mac laptop, placed on my knees with an examinable mirror and a standard feedback loop.
Pretty basic really.

2nd October 2008, 09:19 AM
I am in FACT designing protocol with every post!

2nd October 2008, 09:37 AM
Actually the "Sound Proof Box" would be the Easiest thing in my mind to gaff. Micro chips (or whatever they put into greeting cards etc) that produce sound could be built into absolutely any section of the box.

2nd October 2008, 06:25 PM
I have been preparing my protocol to be fine tuned and precise as advised.

I have not decided to eliminate my date requirement but it is being considered.

2nd October 2008, 06:38 PM
The protocol is almost ready although improvements are always an option.


3rd October 2008, 04:37 PM
I am working on a very detailed protocol.

This is a Scientific Test and it will be conducted as such.

7th October 2008, 07:04 PM
Yes, I am very close.

7th October 2008, 10:51 PM
I am almost done with this . . .

The invocation for the protocol is almost completed and the actual Hardware used is almost decided on also.

21st October 2008, 04:44 PM
I will be emailing the Protocol to Jeff very soon.

21st October 2008, 04:51 PM
The demonstration on Oct. 31st. should be very convincing.

21st October 2008, 06:58 PM
I am challenging for a Million Dollars and I intend on doing it correctly by dotting the "i"s and crossing the "t"s.

I must work at my own pace.

I am looking forward to taking the Challenge on Oct. 31st

28th October 2008, 01:39 PM
Also, the place has always been The Devil's Chair in Lake Helen Florida. It has been stated from the very beginning. No alternate time or place has ever been requested or considered.

28th October 2008, 01:39 PM
I am looking forward to taking the test on Oct. 31st. at the Devils Chair.

28th October 2008, 03:16 PM
Here is the Protocol as directed.
I, David Koenig, will sit on The Devil's Chair in Lake Helen Florida on 10/31/2008 and 10/31/2009

and give the following invocation.

28th October 2008, 05:17 PM
I feel we are getting closer and closer to a great protocol.

28th October 2008, 07:49 PM
The Protocol is moving right along. Things are going well.

28th October 2008, 08:18 PM
We are getting much closer to an acceptable Protocol!

31st October 2008, 10:04 AM
So in this instance of the Give and Take of Negotiations I HAVE come closer to a protocol that the JREF MDC will finally agree upon.

TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT!

There will be EVP's and ITC in record breaking numbers tonight ... Mark my words!

I'd like to thank everyone for their help in taking the test. I am looking forward to the Million Dollar Challenge!

17th November 2008, 02:18 AM
Yes. I am using my time for this Protocol wisely!

I must dot the "I"'s and cross the "T"s.

The information gathered as a result of the Halloween Experience is very helpful.

We are now working within Faraday Cages to remove any possibility of trickery on the part of the JREF or myself.

The analysis of the October 31st's EVP's and ITC's is mind boggling.

20th November 2008, 01:34 PM
I am proceeding with my protocol as instructed by the JREF MDC.
I am working on the SELF EVIDENT portion of the protocol and help in this area is what I need at this time.

20th November 2008, 03:07 PM
My Protocol has this taking place at 6PM.

I have had film crews in the cemetery before . . .

We are continuing our discussions and getting closer to what I believe is an acceptable protocol.

20th November 2008, 11:22 PM
My Protocol is moving right along with the media pitching in their help as well as two more writers assisting in the "Self Evident" portion of the Protocol.

Yesterday, 12:49 PM
I am glad that you let all of us here on the forum know that it was you that directly contacted the Lake Helen Police.

My Protocol is progressing nicely . . .

We are now very close to the final chapter with this Protocol.

Yesterday, 04:54 PM
The Protocol is moving along with the help of NBC's Eric Floyd and the University Scientists here in Central Florida.

It all happens a 6PM and ends at 7PM as stated in my very first negotiations with the authorities in Lake Helen.

Yesterday, 06:31 PM
The protocol is starting to form nicely. It will be small and intimate.

 

[fakejakesnake]

Halloween's activities

It is not yet understood whether the activities of Halloween (to be sure, there were activities by TP, unaffected by anyone's involvement here, and he chooses not to discuss them) are part of the protocol discussions. TP has made it clear they are connected, so with this in mind, it is important to recall pertinent postings. With the exception of two postings by eirik, noted accordingly, all others are from TP. You will find one posting by TP that appears to be out of place or off-topic. It is not, and bolding is mine:

26th September 2008, 09:23 AM
eirik
Student
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Location: norway
Posts: 41

I've sent an e-mail to the chief of police in lake helen adressing the use of the cemetary.

This would clarify the issue.

26th September 2008, 07:10 PM
Working in cemeteries is very delicate business. It must be handled with extreme political correctness. If it appears that you will defile a grave and show disrespect to those in the afterlife you may upset those authorities that can help your efforts.

However, many Movies, TV shows, Documentaries, and News Casts have been made at inside Cemeteries with no problem whatsoever. One movie, Hunt For The Devil, was already shot there. I meet with the folks that produced it tomorrow evening.

I will be seeking their advise on the best way to be handle the situation, now that my application and claim are accepted.

28th September 2008, 09:38 AM
I also went by the Lake Helen Police Dept. yesterday. I will be finding out this week if they have received disruptive emails from disgruntled JREF members who seek to cause problems with the location.

26th September 2008, 07:49 PM
I have not secured the cemetery at Midnight. It is currently against the law and I was hoping to get some form of agreement with the Lake Helen authorities once my claim has been accepted. They DID say that between 7AM and 7PM was OK if we were well behaved and respectful of others.

I thought that Noon would be good if I can't get Midnight.

30th September 2008, 07:55 AM
The intensity of contact must be extremely strong. It can only be that strong on 10/31 (To the best of my knowledge) as I've mentioned several times before.

30th September 2008, 04:00 PM
I have been visiting the Devils Chair for quite some time, unlike some of the Misinformation (Lies) that others are spreading.

The Portal there is at it's maximum efficiency on 10/31.

2nd October 2008, 08:55 AM
[Regarding Randi’s counterfeiting lecture] If they say he's Counterfeited I will continue to question if he broke the law.

28th October 2008, 01:39 PM
It seems that members of the JREF MDC Forum have contacted the Lake Helen Police Department in an attempt to discredit me and cause problems with the local authorities, whom I'd already come to an agreement with.

This contact with the Authorities was actually discussed on the JREF Forum.

Because of this attempt to sabotage my claim protocol I have had to rewrite it.

I hope to be done by tomorrow morning.

I am looking forward to taking the test on Oct. 31st. at the Devils Chair.

28th October 2008, 08:18 PM
As you know members of the JREF Forum have contacted the Lake Helen Police Department in an effort to Sabotage the MDC protocol. You can read about it on this thread if you'd like.

Because of that attempt to destroy my Challenge I have had to change many of the set protocols that have been agreed to by the authorities before the JREF Forum members negative activities.

We are getting much closer to an acceptable Protocol!

20th November 2008, 01:34 PM
Thanks Eirik for your confession.

17th November 2008, 02:18 AM
The analysis of the October 31st's EVP's and ITC's is mind boggling.

20th November 2008, 11:56 PM
eirik
Student
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Dave, it was not a confession. I just said what i would do, and did it.

Yesterday, 12:49 PM
I am glad that you let all of us here on the forum know that it was you that directly contacted the Lake Helen Police.

 

[Azrael 5]

17th November 2008, 02:18 AM
The analysis of the October 31st's EVP's and ITC's is mind boggling.

Therewas no communication attempt at said venue on that date.The planned event Jim Callahan's I.S.P(International Seance Project)was halted by Police.So that post to me is a lie.

Thanks fakejakesnake for your worth last two posts.

 

[not daSkeptic]

I'm still not clear what's wrong with the protocol he already has. All JREF wants is a procedure that will demonstrate the claim in a way that eliminates any other possible explanation. I assume the Professor has already performed this demonstration for himself, otherwise he wouldn't know he could do it. So what's wrong with that protocol?

 

[steenkh]

I'm still not clear what's wrong with the protocol he already has.

What protocol would that be?

All JREF wants is a procedure that will demonstrate the claim in a way that eliminates any other possible explanation.

That is the protocol, and TP has a great deal of problems deciding on how to phrase this in a manner that the JREF can accept, and that will still yield something that TP can pass of as paranormal.

I assume the Professor has already performed this demonstration for himself, otherwise he wouldn't know he could do it. So what's wrong with that protocol?

If TP has made a demonstration for himself (which he does not seem to have, at least not at that place at that date), then odds are that the protocol he used would be unacceptable to the JREF, because it is completely uncontrolled.

 

[gdnp]

Professor: on November 17th you made this statement:

The analysis of the October 31st's EVP's and ITC's is mind boggling.

If you have recordings of events from that date, why will you not share them with the JREF? It would facilitate the development of a protocol. I have asked this quite simple question repeatedly. Your refusal to answer it makes me doubt that you are acting in good faith.

 

[roger]

I strongly advise JREF to NOT use speech recognition software. This software strives to make words out of signal - if you bump the table the microphone is on it might transcribe it as "horse" or about any other word. Furthermore, for it to work well, it has to be trained for the voice, adjusted for signal/noise ratios, all that jazz, all nonstarters with EVP.

If you want self evident, you do something simple, not complicated. 10 questions, record the 'answer'. Give the recording to 10 transcribers, who transcribe without knowing what the questions were. 8 out of 10 transcribers have to transcribe a meaningful answer to the question. Questions should be unambiguous - q: who are you; a: a great thing is upon us is not an unambiguous question/answer. q: what is two plus two; a: four, is. Each question should have one, and only one, correct answer.

This series of question/answer/transcripts should be run beforehand with humans doing the answering. If you asked me "what is two plus two" I'd answer "four", period. If you asked me what time it was I'd give you the correct time, within a 5 minute window. Etc. Prove the questions can be answered precisely, and that the 8/10 hurdle can easily be met. Anything less would be ambiguous, unfair to JREF and TP, and undoubtedly lead to a lawsuit.

 

[not daSkeptic]

If TP has made a demonstration for himself (which he does not seem to have, at least not at that place at that date), then odds are that the protocol he used would be unacceptable to the JREF, because it is completely uncontrolled.

If the demonstration for himself employed a protocol that is unacceptable to JREF, then he never actually demonstrated it for himself in a controlled fashion. Thus he does not really know whether his claim has merit. But he says it does have merit, thus implying he has demonstrated it to himself in a controlled fashion. So what's wrong with that protocol?

He has created a contradiction. Does he really know that he can do as he claims, or is he just saying he can?

 

[jojonete]

[...]So what's wrong with that protocol?

I agree with steenkh's answer to that question:

What protocol would that be?

Really, I have no idea what protocol you're talking about.

 

[jsfisher]

If the demonstration for himself employed a protocol that is unacceptable to JREF, then he never actually demonstrated it for himself in a controlled fashion. Thus he does not really know whether his claim has merit. But he says it does have merit, thus implying he has demonstrated it to himself in a controlled fashion. So what's wrong with that protocol?

He has created a contradiction. Does he really know that he can do as he claims, or is he just saying he can?

He hasn't actually made a specific claim.

His last attempt at a written protocol had him in a cemetery at midnight, chanting something. Nothing paranormal about that. Then something unexplainable will happen. Well, ok, what?

The Professor has dodged, evaded, equivocated, and cajoled his way through any discussion of a claim; he has implied but never actually written down any specifics of what to expect will happen. He has repeatedly stated he's making great progress completing his protocol, but never has any progress to exhibit.

 

[The Professor]

Thanks for everyones support and I'm glad that many of you are following the progression of my Application and claim. The question at hand is what does SELF EVIDENT really mean.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/self-evident
And how can an EVP or ITC be Self Evident?


Main Entry:
self–ev·i·dent
Pronunciation:
\-dənt, -ˌdent\
Function:
adjective
Date:
1671
: evident without proof or reasoning
— self–ev·i·dent·ly adverb

This is why I am leaning toward a computer program that removes all reasoning. It will simply tell what the voices say. It will be self evident.

This seems like the last hurdle to overcome in the Protocol.
Thanks for all of the help!
Dave

 

[Jackalgirl]

He has also given himself some pretty major outs. If you look at my Forum profile, you may be able to see a conversation between the two of us way back when. He mentioned that the spirits are often hostile and uncooperative. So if you ask "what's two plus two" and you get the answer "flibbertigibbit!", he can just claim that the spirit was intentionally noncooperative.

Really, I see no way to test this in a controlled fashion, especially since (apparently) part of his equipment includes a radio receiver.

 

[steenkh]

If the demonstration for himself employed a protocol that is unacceptable to JREF, then he never actually demonstrated it for himself in a controlled fashion. Thus he does not really know whether his claim has merit. But he says it does have merit, thus implying he has demonstrated it to himself in a controlled fashion. So what's wrong with that protocol?

It is not common for applicants to have tested themselves with a protocol that is acceptable for the JREF. Most are only realising what controls should be part of protocol when they are advised by the JREF. The Professor is not different from other applicants in this respect. However, after umpteen pages of advice on this forum, he still has not grasped that a protocol is not the same as a test, and apparently he is only now conducting his first test using a protocol that he prefers to keep secret instead of keeping it open so that he could be advised by the very experienced members of this forum.

I offer the explanation that he is not devising the protocol for the JREF but for his own supporters who will be much less critical, and presumably he will present it as a videotaped show after he has dropped out of the MDC negotiations.

 

[Azrael 5]

The Professor continually claims proof of EVP's and ITC's,even so far as to say he has communication with a dead NASA employee.

Will he link this online to back up his assertions? No.

I say what I did at the beginning of this shenannigans:magic trick magic trick.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

It is not Illegal to congregate in the Lake Helen Cemetery between 7AM and 7PM. My Protocol has this taking place at 6PM. This was agreed upon. I had also drawn up a directive for anyone in attendance as to respect and responsibility in any place of rest.

Please show where the JREF agreed to 6pm. I was under the impression that it was to take place at midnight.

I was also contacted by the director of "Chasing The Devil" filmed there in an effort to help with the protocol.
We are continuing our discussions and getting closer to what I believe is an acceptable protocol.

What qualifications does a film director have to assist with developing the protocol of a scientific experiment?

Or, to use your words....

And how does this relate to my Protocol?

 

[gdnp]

This is why I am leaning toward a computer program that removes all reasoning. It will simply tell what the voices say. It will be self evident.

This seems like the last hurdle to overcome in the Protocol.
Thanks for all of the help!
Dave

These programs usually require training with a sample of subject's voice. Do you have such a sample?

 

[steenkh]

These programs usually require training with a sample of subject's voice. Do you have such a sample?

That would not be good enough: he could provide samples of static noise and teach the program that it means "Hello World"!