Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[Mojo]

It is not Illegal to congregate in the Lake Helen Cemetery between 7AM and 7PM. My Protocol has this taking place at 6PM. This was agreed upon. I had also drawn up a directive for anyone in attendance as to respect and responsibility in any place of rest.

I have had film crews in the cemetery before and several Movies have been filmed at this site. The PBS is also filming a series to come the first of the new year. NEVER A PROBLEM.

I was also contacted by the director of "Chasing The Devil" filmed there in an effort to help with the protocol.
We are continuing our discussions and getting closer to what I believe is an acceptable protocol.

To claim that this is not legal is totally false.
I've been there many times and this protocol should be no problem.

If everything you are planning to do for your protocol is legal, the police should be unable to prevent you carrying it out even if they are notified of your intentions.

 

[rjh01]

For those that want to read what the professor really thinks about the MDC, his protocol and his challenge they can read JREFer Confesses to MDC Tampering.

This may upset some viewersreaders.

I said in an earlier post the protocol was going backwards. My prediction now is that the next one would be even worse the the previous one.

 

[Marcus]

Thanks Eirik for your confession.



I am working on the SELF EVIDENT portion of the protocol and help in this area is what I need at this time.

Can you tell us what you are considering in this area? A number of suggestions have been made here, you haven't responded to most.

I would also like to know what happened on Halloween. If nothing happened or you were not there, just say so, there is no need for secrecy.

 

[gdnp]

Well, I give up. If anything happened on Halloween the Professor clearly does not wish to release the details. Well, any information at all, actually.

I guess there is nothing left to do but wait for the Professor to submit his revised protocol.

 

[The Professor]

Dave, it was not a confession. I just said what i would do, and did it. Try it I'm happy that you don't let this ruin your day.

I'm sincerely glad you are back and working on your protocol. It would be refreshing if you could present any suggetions for a protocol any time soon.

Chris: I got an automated answer/receipt to my mail, no personally response. It is off course possible that the police/security on halloween were keeping an extra eye on the cemetery anyway, and that I had nothing to do with it (i didn't think of that until someone here mentioned it recently). I reacted to a post in the magic cafe a friend sent me(the one I cited in my former post), and I may have jumped to conclusions.Well well, we'll probably never know.

I am glad that you let all of us here on the forum know that it was you that directly contacted the Lake Helen Police. For a long time many said that no one had tried to interfere but now I am glad you set the record straight.

I have just contacted the JREF and spoken with Shaun. Nice guy too!(He has always been very helpful)

He will be bringing this matter up with Jeff Wagg on my behalf.

I will again call the Lake Helen Police Department to inquire about the false statement sent to them. In this way I will attempt to clear any problems that have been caused by this interference with my protocol.

Shaun has assured me that the JREF is not behind this attempt to directly tamper with my protocol and it's development.

Do any here have information on an upgraded version of Dragon or any other word recognition software?
This may help in the Self Evident phase.

My Protocol is progressing nicely just as my application, media presence, accredation, and my claim have thus far been approved.

I would like to thank all of those who have helped me this far. We are now very close to the final chapter with this Protocol.

Thanks
Dave

 

[Cuddles]

I am glad that you let all of us here on the forum know that it was you that directly contacted the Lake Helen Police. For a long time many said that no one had tried to interfere but now I am glad you set the record straight.

The record always was straight. As has been clearly explained, Eirik said what he would do and did it. The fact that you apparently didn't pay attention to his posts, and the law, is no-one's fault but your own.

I have just contacted the JREF and spoken with Shaun. Nice guy too!(He has always been very helpful)

He will be bringing this matter up with Jeff Wagg on my behalf.

What matter? The only way the police would get involved is if what you were planning was actually not allowed. If wouldn't matter how many people contacted them if you were doing nothing illegal. And what exactly do you think Jeff Wagg has to do with this? Eirik has no connection to the JREF, so nothing he does has anything to do with them.

I will again call the Lake Helen Police Department to inquire about the false statement sent to them. In this way I will attempt to clear any problems that have been caused by this interference with my protocol.

There have been no false statements and no interference with your protocol. In fact, you don't have a protocol to interfere with. Given that all your, rather pathetic, attempts to provide one have been rejected, anything that happened at Halloween was utterly irrelevant to your protocol. Even if anyone had interfered, of which there is no evidence, it would be irrelevant.

Shaun has assured me that the JREF is not behind this attempt to directly tamper with my protocol and it's development.

There has been no attempt to interfere with anything. Your problems are entirely of your own making. And why would you think the JREF had anything to do with anything? No-one, other than you, has implied this in any way. There seems to be no reason to bother the JREF staff with things that exist entirely within your own mind.

My Protocol is progressing nicely

Evidence? So far you have demonstrated exactly zero understanding of criticisms, and every new thing you present is worse than the previous incarnation.

It's really very simple. Your application would progress much more quickly if you spent more time actually trying to understand what people, including the JREF, actually say to you and less time making up lies and excuses.

 

[The Professor]

So you are claiming that it is common practice for the JREFers to directly interfere in the Protocol development for The Million Dollar Challenge?

Very interesting.

Seems that Eiriks confession has exposed several folks who claimed that no contact happened bringing their overall truthfulness into question.

So "Now" he "Did" tell the Lake Helen Police Department that I would be performing a Magic Show with grieving relatives being upset and all as I danced on their graves. (Just for fun)

Problem is ... No surviving relatives, no magic show and no dancing (I do enough of that at work)

NONE of these things are in my Protocol. Never have been.

It's amazing to what lengths people will go to to stop this protocol.

I will Speak briefly, make a recording, and leave respectfully. Not too hard to undersatand and certainly in no way something to report to the Police in an effort to twist the truth.

Eirik's motive's are transparent and I've asked the JREF to look into the direct tampering in an effort to negate my Protocol.

Many have tried various means to stop the advancements I've made and now it seems they are getting desperate.

The Protocol is moving along with the help of NBC's Eric Floyd and the University Scientists here in Central Florida. Rozzie Franco will witness the event to make sure that both sides are fair and balanced. The Lake Helen Police have been invited (Several Months Ago) if they feel the need to attend. The criteria for correct procedures in the Cemetery will be distributed as planned ( pre-approved by the Funeral home officials). It all happens a 6PM and ends at 7PM as stated in my very first negotiations with the authorities in Lake Helen.

Thanks for all the help and despite the interferences please remain assured that I'm continuing in good faith and I hope the JREF puts an end to this deviation from their testing procedure and protocol.
Thanks
Dave

 

[steenkh]

The Protocol is moving along with the help of NBC's Eric Floyd and the University Scientists here in Central Florida. Rozzie Franco will witness the event to make sure that both sides are fair and balanced. The Lake Helen Police have been invited (Several Months Ago) if they feel the need to attend. The criteria for correct procedures in the Cemetery will be distributed as planned ( pre-approved by the Funeral home officials). It all happens a 6PM and ends at 7PM as stated in my very first negotiations with the authorities in Lake Helen.

Is Rozzie Franco also going to be present at the real test if this will ever happen, or is it just for this "event". This sounds like some kind of show. It has nothing to do with developing a protocol. It is also interesting that the most obvious party, the JREF, is not part of it.

 

[The Professor]

Is Rozzie Franco also going to be present at the real test if this will ever happen, or is it just for this "event". This sounds like some kind of show. It has nothing to do with developing a protocol. It is also interesting that the most obvious party, the JREF, is not part of it.

You need to read up on the Challenge. The JREF does not implement the Challenge at all. Why don't you know this? (And Randi has refused to attend as I'd requested but later allowed him to relax elsewhere)
Please read the FAQ and the other rules that apply before you comment.

The protocol is a demonstration. You can call it a show if you'd like but it is a test. Pretty simple

If you have positive things to add please feel free to do so after you've read up on the MDC.

The protocol is starting to form nicely. It will be small and intimate. it will be fairly short and not very "Showy" ... Sorry to disappoint.

Thanks
Dave

 

[gdnp]

The protocol is starting to form nicely. It will be small and intimate.

Perhaps I and others would be less skeptical if you could give us some detail about what happened on Halloween and how it was documented.

it will be fairly short and not very "Showy" ... Sorry to disappoint.

Does it still involve your previously posted incantation?

 

[The Professor]

Perhaps I and others would be less skeptical if you could give us some detail about what happened on Halloween and how it was documented.


Does it still involve your previously posted incantation?

I don't want you to be less Skeptical ... I want you to be MORE SKEPTICAL.
Can't you see that? It's very important to me.

Did the "Invocation" ring a bell?
I intend on using it pretty much as written. Have any things to include?

I was asking about voice recognition software. Any help there?

Thanks
Dave

 

[fromdownunder]

TP, AFAIK, your challenge was originally that you would on October 31st, 2008, do something which would record instances of Electronic Voice Phenomenon (the voices of the dead) in Lake Helen, Florida. I also understand from this thread that according to you, this had to occur at Midnight. Have the spirits now advised otherwise?

And can I assume that you are now working on a protocol towards something different than this - if you could still pull off the original, we would all be extremely impressed. I would be very interested in your revised challenge, since the one that was originally proposed would appear to be even outside of your superpowers.

Would you please be kind enough to post your revised challenge on this thread, or is it, like your "work in progress" protocol, top secret? Does the JREF even have a copy of how your revised challenge will be worded?

Norm

 

[Doubt]

You need to read up on the Challenge. The JREF does not implement the Challenge at all. Why don't you know this? (And Randi has refused to attend as I'd requested but later allowed him to relax elsewhere)
Please read the FAQ and the other rules that apply before you comment.

The JREF does not normally administer the preliminary challenge itself. But that has happened.

But they don't just let you, pick somebody to run it. It has to be agreed upon between both parties. Somebody being a reporter neither qualifies or disqualifies a person from being involved. Why do you want this person there?

 

[Chris H]

So are you claiming that the laws in the city of Melbourne Australia are exactly the same as Lake Helen Florida? (Melbourne's population is more than 1,000 times that of Lake Helen )

No, I am not claiming anything. I'm merely suggesting that a permit may be needed, based on my previous experience. Not sure why you would make such a big deal of my post. I was doing what this thread was intended for, and offering advice and assistance.

At this stage you're going on about the supposed sabotage of your event on Halloween, but funnily enough haven't bothered to show any proof that your event was disrupted, or that it even occured. Seems like smoke and mirrors to me, which is kind of appropriate.

Chris

Chris

 

[Azrael 5]

From memory-37 pages of TP's nonsense too much to bear-didn't this event have to take place at midnight on Halloween? Seems now it's moved to 6pm-7pm.How convienient! Just inside cemetary opening hours to public.

Not sure the local authorities would too keen on a seance in a cemetary on Halloween,no matter what you say Dave.

It was only a few weeks ago your protocol was finsished "always had been" now it isn't? On magic cafe you claim to not "paint my self into a corner" [regarding technology]it's getting better all the time"
So with that in mind how do you proopse to choose a device that may not be as good as one that is made in a year's time? I cannot imagine JREF allowing you to change part of your protocol once agreed.

 

[Cuddles]

So you are claiming that it is common practice for the JREFers to directly interfere in the Protocol development for The Million Dollar Challenge?

Very interesting.

As I said, your progress would be faster if you stop lying. The post you are replying to is directly above yours, and anyone with ability to read can clearly see it says nothing of the sort.

NONE of these things are in my Protocol. Never have been.

Of course they're not. You don't have a protocol for them to be in.

It's amazing to what lengths people will go to to stop this protocol.

It is not possible for anyone other than yourself to stop the protocol. Performances that may or may not be illegal have nothing to do with a protocol. A protocol simply involves writing down how you plan to do what you claim to have already done. That's it. I'm honestly not sure if you're genuinely incapable of understanding such a simple concept or if you're just trolling. Either way, it's really rather sad.

Eirik's motive's are transparent and I've asked the JREF to look into the direct tampering in an effort to negate my Protocol.

As far as I can tell, Eirik's motive was simply to advise the police of possible illegal activity. Unless you are suggesting that Eirik has some kind of authority over the police to force them to act when no law has been broken, it is not possible for him, or anyone else, to interfere in your performances. That would be the performances that have nothing to do with a protocol.

Many have tried various means to stop the advancements I've made and now it seems they are getting desperate.

Once again I will advise you to stop lying. It's not helping your case in the slightest.

It all happens a 6PM and ends at 7PM as stated in my very first negotiations with the authorities in Lake Helen.

Which is odd, because all your negotiations with the JREF have stated the time as midnight.

I hope the JREF puts an end to this deviation from their testing procedure and protocol.

There has been no deviation and there is nothing for the JREF to put an end to.

 

[gdnp]

I don't want you to be less Skeptical ... I want you to be MORE SKEPTICAL.
Can't you see that? It's very important to me.

Perhaps I should have been more clear. I am skeptical an acceptable protocol will ever be submitted, since we do not even know what paranormal phenomenon will be demonstrated. Based on the little information you have released it would appear to involve some sort of voice.

Did the "Invocation" ring a bell?
I intend on using it pretty much as written. Have any things to include?

Nope, I have no additions, modifications, or deletions likely to make it any more effective.

I was asking about voice recognition software. Any help there?

I actually spend much of my workday dictating reports using voice recognition software. The package we use is very good with training, probably reaching 99% with a specialized medical vocabulary. Even untrained it exceeded 90% with my voice. Does the voice have an accent?

Can I assume that your paranormal voice speaks English? Will we know beforehand a range of possibilities about what it will say (will it answer questions?) or will it choose its topic of conversation itself?

 

[steenkh]

You need to read up on the Challenge. The JREF does not implement the Challenge at all. Why don't you know this? (And Randi has refused to attend as I'd requested but later allowed him to relax elsewhere)
Please read the FAQ and the other rules that apply before you comment

I asked you if Rozzie Franco would participate for the real MDC test. You did not reply to that. The fact that JREF representatives will not conduct the test does not mean that you can hand-pick who will do this. This will be part of negotiations between you and the JREF. Will you propose to the JREF that Rozzie Franco will participate for the test?

The protocol is a demonstration. You can call it a show if you'd like but it is a test. Pretty simple

No. If this is your idea of a protocol, you are once again heading for a fiasco. A protocol is how you will conduct a test, it is not the test itself. It is really quite simple, but you have a record of not listening to advice, so I am not surprised that you have not looked at any of the detailed protocols that JREF members have proposed.

The general idea of a JREF protocol is to ensure that you - or the JREF - will not be able to control the test, and this is exactly why I think that a decent protocol will be unacceptable to you.

If you have positive things to add please feel free to do so after you've read up on the MDC.

Your lack of cooperation makes it very difficult have positive things to say.

The protocol is starting to form nicely. It will be small and intimate. it will be fairly short and not very "Showy" ... Sorry to disappoint.

By not understanding what a protocol is, you are not disappointing, but living up to expectations.

 

[Drs_Res]

I don't want you to be less Skeptical ... I want you to be MORE SKEPTICAL.
Can't you see that? It's very important to me.

Did the "Invocation" ring a bell?
I intend on using it pretty much as written. Have any things to include?

I was asking about voice recognition software. Any help there?

Thanks
Dave

Should it ring a bell? And why is Invocation in quotes now?

But I fear we are getting off topic now.

If you want to discuss your invocation, you could start a new thread in the General Skepticism forum.

You should be using this topic to work out a protocol. I suggest that you make use of this tool to help yourself. People here are more than willing to help you if you are serious and want the help and will listen.

 

[Christian Klippel]

I actually spend much of my workday dictating reports using voice recognition software. The package we use is very good with training, probably reaching 99% with a specialized medical vocabulary. Even untrained it exceeded 90% with my voice. Does the voice have an accent?

I would say that using speech recognition software is of no use here. Any given version of any voice recognition software should always give the same result, if it processes the same input. After all, it's only a program that follows a set of rules. Said that, if you were going to use 10 computers, all with the same soft, and feed the same input to all of them, they should all deliver the same result.

One might think to use different programs then. But this in turn would make the result just a matter of interpretation: each program uses different algorithms and methods, so it might interpret the input data differently than any other program.

In the end it is the same as if you would have some people listen to the tape, its all just interpretation.

Also, i can not see how the use of any device that is build to produce noise, scan radio bands, modulate a signal, etc. could be agreed on in any protocol. The chances that such things will randomly produce sounds that could be "understood" as words are just too high. Just remember the "ahhh" and "ohhh" sounds that even old, analogue synth's can produce. Even more so in the case of using a scanner-radio that constantly scans all bands, and thus is prone to pick up random words that are emitted in some radio station.

The simplest form of a radio is an aerial (wire), a coil, a capacitor, a diode and an earpiece. So, anything that has wires, coils, capacitances and stuff that can work like a diode inside, would automatically qualify as a very simple radio. No wonder that people pick up voices by such things when the parts are combined somewhat properly. Although a faraday cage can reduce the amount of RF inside it, it's not a perfect thing. A simple piece of thin wire that leads outside somewhere is enough to bring RF inside.

Greetings,

Chris