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'6th Sense'

N1nja

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I have a question and I am trying to get some educated feedback as to what others may think on this matter.

I know that this person would most likely never agree to take the $1Mil dollar challenge, I am mostly looking to verify this ability.

I study Bujinkan Ninjutsu (Pretty much its old Ninja and Samurai martial arts)
There is nothing really all too mystical about it... and it really works.
But,
I order to receive a 5th Degree Blackbelt, we must take a test. The student kneels on the floor with eyes closed, the Grandmaster stands behind you and cuts down as fast as he can with a sword. The goal is to feel his intent to kill you and roll out of the way without getting cut.
It is not a trick, it is not timed out, you can't play with it and always get it right.
It has been performed outside and inside in different environments, sometimes he yells during the test, most of the time he does not.

So for skeptics out there, what could this be?
Or would you agree that this really is a 6th Sense or not?

If you would like to view some of these tests just search on Youtube for Bujinkan (godan / 5th Dan / Sakki tests) and you will be able to see some of these tests that have been performed.
 
I have a question and I am trying to get some educated feedback as to what others may think on this matter.

I know that this person would most likely never agree to take the $1Mil dollar challenge, I am mostly looking to verify this ability.

I study Bujinkan Ninjutsu (Pretty much its old Ninja and Samurai martial arts)
There is nothing really all too mystical about it... and it really works.
But,
I order to receive a 5th Degree Blackbelt, we must take a test. The student kneels on the floor with eyes closed, the Grandmaster stands behind you and cuts down as fast as he can with a sword. The goal is to feel his intent to kill you and roll out of the way without getting cut.
It is not a trick, it is not timed out, you can't play with it and always get it right.
It has been performed outside and inside in different environments, sometimes he yells during the test, most of the time he does not.

So for skeptics out there, what could this be?
Or would you agree that this really is a 6th Sense or not?

If you would like to view some of these tests just search on Youtube for Bujinkan (godan / 5th Dan / Sakki tests) and you will be able to see some of these tests that have been performed.

Assuming that someone can do it some high degree of accuracy, you'd probably feel the shift in weight distribution that comes with preparing for a swing, and hear the subtle and familiar rustle of your sensei swining a sword that you've likely heard many times.

Back when I did Aikido, we did randori (4 against one "brawls," to simplify,) and I could often tell which of the two or three people I couldn't see was right behind me based on how much the floor board squeeked under their weight (one guy was over 300 pounds, and one girl barely 100) and the sounds the different typs of gis and hakemas they wore made. They all wore different brands of clothes, and they all habitually moved differently. And, sometimes they kicked the crap out of me. Still, the potential's there.
 
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it's not that, he can swing the sword in less than a second, if you think or try to respond you get hit, the body can't respond and move that fast.
 
it's not that, he can swing the sword in less than a second, if you think or try to respond you get hit, the body can't respond and move that fast.

Could you explain that a little more clearly? I'm having trouble following you.
 
The student kneels on the floor with eyes closed, the Grandmaster stands behind you and cuts down as fast as he can with a sword. The goal is to feel his intent to kill you and roll out of the way without getting cut.
It is not a trick, it is not timed out, you can't play with it and always get it right.

If unsuccessful, is it grounds for pre-meditated murder?

If he pulls the cut, you couldn't feel a 'supernatural' intent to kill, could you? Otherwise, on successful attempts, it is probably a well trained body and mind putting information together and reacting faster than deliberate reasoning. It goes for lesser feats of martial arts and physical prowess as well.
 
I've watched a few of the vids - pretty funny stuff. Lots of people getting hit in the head with a wooden sword. The ones who don't get hit - looks like pure luck. The ones who get hit either simply sit there and get hit, or move out of the way long before he starts the swing and are treated as a sprinter with a false start. The few who "pass" simply start moving about the same time the sword swing starts - pure serendipity.

ETA:

BTW - with the few who "pass" the master clearly shifts his weight before swinging - something he doesn't do before hitting many in the head.
 
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I'm another one who thinks that if anything is at work here, beyond luck, it's not some kind of sixth sense but heightened senses and reflexes. I add the "reflexes" because that requires no thinking. It would involve having trained your body to respond to your senses long before your brain coiuld figure out what the hell is going on.

But, looking at madurobob's video, luck seems to be the main factor. Especially since several of the people who passed had at least one false start before passing, implying they really don't have the "sense" or heightened reflexes, just that one of their flinches happened to be at the right time.
 
Lots of people getting hit in the head with a wooden sword.

It's a wooden sword?!

Where, then, this mystical, "intent to kill?" If it's intent to hit, you'll find that at any tournament. Good catch, madurobob, on the weight shifting. I'll look at the video later.
 
It's a wooden sword?!
haha - yes! I was expecting to see a few heads split open in miraculous failures. Either that or a suspicious 100% success rate.

Good catch, madurobob, on the weight shifting. I'll look at the video later.
See how he simply whacks folks in the head at first. Then, towards the end, the success rate jumps quite a bit. Its because he starts almost jumping upwards before swinging down with the sword - as if winding up for a huge swing. The students hear or feel this big windup and roll out of the way. I'm pretty sure I could do it if he went through those same motions for me. It seems pretty clear to me he has students he intends to pass before the ritual begins.
 
Then, towards the end, the success rate jumps quite a bit. Its because he starts almost jumping upwards before swinging down with the sword - as if winding up for a huge swing. The students hear or feel this big windup and roll out of the way. I'm pretty sure I could do it if he went through those same motions for me. It seems pretty clear to me he has students he intends to pass before the ritual begins.



Yes, that's what I thought too. In that video, they're also working on tatami mats,and you'd expect a shift in the sensei's balance to have a much more noticeable effect on the person in seiza.

I also suspect there's a bit of the "Clever Hans" effect here. They may not be consciously aware that they're telegraphing the "real" hits to the preferred students.




Besides which, I'd argue that, if I'm "sensing" something using my "mystical abilities", what I sensed was his "intention to attack" before he even starts swinging. So all those false starts are actually wins - he didn't swing because by then he knew it was too late!

I mean, if you're going to spin, why not spin out of control?





And yes, a real sword would be a lot more convincing.




Not that I'm trying to rid the world of ninjustsu students, mind you.
 
I knew about this before, but had never seen it being done. The video confirms the suspicions I had when I was a student in the Bujinkan. I was and still am convinced that the fighting techniques they teach are as useful as or more useful than what is offered in any other martial art. That's all human anatomy and body mechanics. However, I also got two negative impressions about the organization overall, from talking to instructors and reading books:

1. Somewhere around the first or second degree black belt (and these people are at the fourth and going for the fifth), they start to switch you from real fighting skills to weird mystical stuff without real-world basis or application.

2. Masaaki Hatsumi has managed the organization badly, allowing bad students to get promoted or promoting them himself, so they spread bad teaching, so the school name or the person's rank no longer tells you anything about his/her actual abilities.

We can all see the signs of #1 in this video, but I also saw some #2. There were students who, regardless of the accuracy or inaccuracy of their timing, moved rather awkwardly or slowly, and should not have had black belts with that kind of movement. One guy with glasses at about 1:30 actually jerked up toward where the blade would be coming from instead of out of its way or away from it, with a spastic arm twitch that would have added more injuries instead of preventing any. I shove grocery carts back together into their little storage formation line with more fluidity and coordination than that. Some of these people would never have been promoted to that level at most Bujinkan schools, but Hatsumi has let schools promoting them continue to run.

Something was off about the impact sound, too. Shinai might make that much noise and that kind of noise when you hit something with them, but Hatsumi's holding a bokken in this video, not a shinai. And they don't make that kind of high-pitched slap and wouldn't be that loud without some severe damage being done.

One good thing about it was that at least they were joking and casual about the situation instead of taking it too seriously.
 
It seems pretty clear to me he has students he intends to pass before the ritual begins.

That's the impression I got, It's like he gave those preferred students a clue as to when he was going to swing.

But yea, that sound of the strike, just like in the movies.
 
Something was off about the impact sound, too. Shinai might make that much noise and that kind of noise when you hit something with them, but Hatsumi's holding a bokken in this video, not a shinai. And they don't make that kind of high-pitched slap and wouldn't be that loud without some severe damage being done.



Actually, it might have been some variation on a fukuro shinai. A youtube video is fuzzy enough that a lacquered one might look a lot like a bokuto.

You also have to consider that the people who did get smacked in the head didn't react with nearly the amount of pain that I'd expect if I was smacking them in the head with a bokuto. But it's just what I'd expect from some sort of shinai.
 
If you think there is some trick or timing to it, you first need to watch all videos, what is available on youtube is a very small amount of footage over an atleast 30 year span.
The sword used is a bamboo training sword wrapped w/ leather.
it is the not strike, it is his intention which is felt.
I have taken this test. I was able to reach a state of not thinking, and i felt almost like a wind in my mind, not concious of my act, i was rolling before i knew what was going on, then i knew i had passed. - I am very skeptical of things, but after this expieriance, I am swayed it is real.
the explaination for this is that it was an ability gained thru real life expieriance on a battle field by ninja and samurai. for us it is expieriance gained thru the way we learn and practice.
as i said before, (some asked me to elaborate on this) you cannot 'hear' the sword swing, or feel him lean in or a vibration before he cuts down, and if you did and tried to "react" to it you would be hit...any body know anything about reaction times of the human body (educated in the subject) will tell you it's just not possible (I feel there may AT SOME TIMES be cases where a person can get lucky) but this is pretty much impossible.
You really must "feel somthing" and that is what alows you to move out of the way.
- again, i think i need to repeat this, this test (even though may look similar on 1 video) is never the same every time, he can cut at anytime, sometimes he yells, sometimes he strikes as he give a yell (KIAI), some times he does not, sometimes he sits there for about a whole minute, other times he strikes immediately. It has been performed outside, indoors in several locations.

I know he Masaaki Hatsumi would never feel the need to have this ability tested or challenged, however i would like someone like James Randi to give his insight on this matter. Anyone who took the time to go visit him, or request to do an interview or newscast or whatever about the bujinkan is welcome, all they need to do is contact him and set it up. (I do think if James Randi contacted him and traveled to japan Masaaki Hatsumi would be more than welcome to give him a demo of it.
I also feel regardless of any means i use to figure out what this is, other than what is taught, that this is the real deal, and Masaaki Hatsumi would pass the $1mil challenge.

In the old days, Hatsumi would strike very hard. (it all depends on how he feels like doing it that day at that moment in time. when the bujinkan became popular around the world (people travel all around the world to Japan to practice) he seemed to get softer or 'nicer' with the hits. but it really is different everytime.
In order to get a good observation you must go and see it in person. - or purchase every single video we have and watch everytime it is demonstrated on video to make an accurate assesment.

- About the "noise" or seemingly fake noise on the video- Keep in mind it is a video comcorder, you are watching it online (timing delay or computer error/ graphics).
it is not fake there are over 2,000 people around this world who can verify it. (as well as news documentaries from BBC, History channel etc...)

O yes, the bokken or Shinai, is made of bamboo, just like a shinai. it is pieces or strands of bamboo wrapped together, so it has give, it makes that kind of sound, but it is safe for training to prevent injury. go buy one at try it out! ;)

In ancient times- this was done with a real sword. Hatsumi had a real sword used against him. in fact, he had 2 cuts. his teacher cut down at his head and then laterally across the body. AND Hatsumi was not told he was taking the test. his teacher just told him to sit down and relax.
But, in the times of war, this test was given with a real sword, (at the highest level of mastery) when the grandmaster felt the student was ready.

For those who call it "hightend reflexes" or whatever, couldn't you consider that to be an extra sense (as in our 5 senses of the body?)
About the Bujinkan:
First off, we do not teach mystic supernatural things, it has to do with body mechanics, and phsycology, cultural aspects, how people react and respond etc... any teacher that says something otherwise does not follow hatsumi's teachings or they are making it up.
Our body movement is different than other arts, becasue it was used in real battlefield combat for survival. the way we learn is first thru the basics, from beginner to 4th Degree black belt the focus IS on basics and being able to do techniques. after you take this test and get 5th Degree you enter the world of HENKA - which means variation in Japanese, we do not do technique, we try to be relaxed enought to respond and do anything to survive, not relying on technique, or getting stuck in form. but changing and adapting to what hapens naturally.
We train slowly so as to not kill or injure eachother, and this creates 'feeling' for example-
when you try to punch the grandmaster, You feel as if you hit him, or "he disapeared" but he moved out of the way and then you are getting hit. it is because of the body mechanics and angles in which we move offline.
Hatsumi is lnot strict with the organization, he doesn't really mandate things. If you don't believe what he does then he says, that's OK, you dont have to train here, go do what you want. to sum it up, there are always good and evil, 2 sides to a story, everybody has there own opinion, and it will always be like that, there will always be someone who disagrees so he says this is nature, and he lets it be.
He looks at martial arts in an "Artistic" way, so he is not limited to drawing in the lines.... he paints on a blank canvas. - Genius is limited to the mind.
this is getting long... so i'll stop, I'll make another post after everyone has a chance to make a few more comments on this ability.
 
as i said before, (some asked me to elaborate on this) you cannot 'hear' the sword swing, or feel him lean in or a vibration before he cuts down, and if you did and tried to "react" to it you would be hit...any body know anything about reaction times of the human body (educated in the subject) will tell you it's just not possible (I feel there may AT SOME TIMES be cases where a person can get lucky) but this is pretty much impossible.
You really must "feel somthing" and that is what alows you to move out of the way.

See what Horatius said a few posts earlier. If one is reading "intent" through some mystical 6th sense, why do the several who move "early" not pass? How can you possibly say they were not reading "intent" and getting out of the way?
 

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