Simple fluoride question

[defaultdotxbe]

lies...lies...and more lies.

if we have all been drinking fluoridated water...how come we voted in such high numbers this election day?

regardless of who won, we all voted for exactly who they wanted us to vote for

 

[Almo]

Find any scientific study that says swallowing fluoride helps prevent cavities. You won't find one. That's because it works topically to prevent cavities. Ingestion of fluoride causes many harmful effects, including dental fluorosis, which thins the teeth and makes them like nails.

Find any scientific study that shows you can swallow flouridated water without touching your teeth with it first, at least without going through a lot of effot not to.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Find any scientific study that shows you can swallow flouridated water without touching your teeth with it first, at least without going through a lot of effot not to.

additionally, its my understanding that concentrations of fluoride in artificially fluoridated water are much lower than naturally fluoridated water supplies

perhaps mother nature is in on the conspiracy as well

 

[Ladewig]

Hitler used it to pacify his serfs.
[snip]
And fluoride was used by the Nazis to pacify dissent. You figure out the rest.

Can you explain the mechanism by which a chemical "pacifies dissent"?

Can you explain whether it is the Republicans or the Democrats who are using this chemical to pacify dissent?

Can you give some examples of the types of dissent that have been already been pacified (e.g. positions on abortion, school prayer, guns control)?

 

[Without Rights]

Bollocks.

O.k., so here is what we know. Germany administered fluoride through drinking water to its citizens and prisoners. According to you, I guess, Hitler just cared about their teeth. Never mind the 100's of scientific studies that prove the neurological damage fluoride causes. Here's a few:

Influence of Fluoride Exposure on Reaction Time and Visuospatial Organization in Children, Epidemiology July 2000

Intracellular fluoride alters the kinetic properties of calcium currents facilitating the investigation of synaptic events in hippocampal neurons. J Neurosci 1986

Effect of excessive fluoride intake on mental work capacity of children and a preliminary study of its mechanism, Hua Hsi I Ko Ta Hsueh Hsueh Pao,1994 Jun, 25

Effect of Fluoride Exposure on Intelligence in Children, Fluoride, 1995

Subchronic neurotoxicity in rats of the structural fumigant, sulfuryl fluoride, Neurotoxicol-Teratol, 1988

Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats, Neurotoxicology Teratology, 1995

Chronic administration of aluminum-fluoride or sodium-fluoride to rats in drinking water: alterations in neuronal and cerebrovascular integrity. Brain Res 1998

Effects of high iodine and high fluorine on children's intelligence and the metabolism of iodine and fluorine, Chung Hua Liu Hsing Ping Hsueh Tsa Chih, 1994

The effects of fluoride on the human embryo, Chinese Journal of Control of Epidemic Diseases, 1989


Perhaps you know of some journals that report ingestion of fluoride as beneficial. I wont hold my breath.

 

[Confuseling]

...what did ring true is when they said why dont they add vitamins in our drinking water, those things that are actually proven to be beneficial to us?

Well, they put folic acid in American bread. And personally I think they should here as well (I'm UK too)

 

[dudalb]

If you want to argue the Flouride is bad from a physical health point of view, go ahead. Most medical experts think you are wrong, but you can make a case..a weak one, but a case.
But the "Fluoride Can Be Used To Brainwash and Pacify You" is pure BS.
Notice how the Tin Foilers always seem to prefer the WORST argument they can find ?

 

[Without Rights]

Can you explain the mechanism by which a chemical "pacifies dissent"?

Can you explain whether it is the Republicans or the Democrats who are using this chemical to pacify dissent?

Can you give some examples of the types of dissent that have been already been pacified (e.g. positions on abortion, school prayer, guns control)?

The mechanism, fluoride reduces I.Q, alters the hypothalamus and causes ADD. By damaging brain function and reducing intelligence people are less likely to worry about things in the world that require thought.

Since you just asked about chemicals in general, many chemicals are made to pacify dissent in patients. Seraquill and Thorazine are commonly used.

Rep or Dem? Neither. It is lobbyist paid for by aluminum and phosphate corporations. Since fluoride is toxic it is expensive to dispose of. Now it is sold for profit instead of being an expense.

Examples? A loaded question if I ever heard one.

 

[Without Rights]

Are you kidding?

Find any scientific study that shows you can swallow flouridated water without touching your teeth with it first, at least without going through a lot of effot not to.

What is your point. Brush your teeth and you will get the needed fluoride. You think you should drink a proven poison because it passes through your teeth.

I think you drank too much fluoride.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

O.k., so here is what we know. Germany administered fluoride through drinking water to its citizens and prisoners.

a google search for "nazi fluoride" (without quotes) reveals the usual suspects on the first page (rense, prisonplanet, etc) and a bunch of smaller 1-off pages, blogs and forums

anyway, what im getting at is, can you provide any credible evidence the nazis used fluoride for pacification? (or anything for that matter)

 

[JimBenArm]

Ah, so it's the usual Blather, Rense.com, Repeat nonsense.

If it worked like this, wouldn't we be just as likely to simply agree with your anti-fluoride gobbledegook, since our IQ's would be lower, we'd be suffering from ADD and couldn't focus on arguments, and be pacified to simply agree with what the nice man on the internet had to say?

Instead, we ask for proof, and you offer none, just insults.

Who's suffering from the effects? Hmmm.

 

[Without Rights]

lies...lies...and more lies.

if we have all been drinking fluoridated water...how come we voted in such high numbers this election day?

Lies?

There are no study that says swallowing fluoride helps prevent cavities. Is that a lie? Show me the study.


Ingestion of fluoride causes many harmful effects. Is that a lie? Damn all those scientific journals are a bunch of liars.

And that is pharmaceutical grade fluoride, not the stuff scrapped off the side of the smoke stack. Is that a lie? Show me the truth then.

Mass medication is not ethical or legal in the US. Is this a lie?

Ingesting fluoride is only toxic, with no positive effects. Is that a lie? Show me one study that shows a positive effect. I have listed several that show negative effects.

 

[Without Rights]

a google search for "nazi fluoride" (without quotes) reveals the usual suspects on the first page (rense, prisonplanet, etc) and a bunch of smaller 1-off pages, blogs and forums

anyway, what im getting at is, can you provide any credible evidence the nazis used fluoride for pacification? (or anything for that matter)

No, I can source the fact that they administered fluoride through the water. I can only guess that it was to dumb down the population since science warns us of the neurological effects. What else would it be used for? Did Hitler care about dental health? If so, how did he know swallowing fluoride would help since there is zero studies that say so?

 

[Without Rights]

Ah, so it's the usual Blather, Rense.com, Repeat nonsense.

If it worked like this, wouldn't we be just as likely to simply agree with your anti-fluoride gobbledegook, since our IQ's would be lower, we'd be suffering from ADD and couldn't focus on arguments, and be pacified to simply agree with what the nice man on the internet had to say?

Instead, we ask for proof, and you offer none, just insults.

Who's suffering from the effects? Hmmm.

I don't read any of those sites.

I have mentioned proof that fluoride damages brain function.

Just insults? Where? Your post is a good example of those tactics. For example, I have been asking for one single study that says swallowing fluoride is beneficial. Maybe you can come through.

Show me the study.

And show me where I just insulted.

 

[JimBenArm]

I don't read any of those sites.

I have mentioned proof that fluoride damages brain function.

Just insults? Where? Your post is a good example of those tactics. For example, I have been asking for one single study that says swallowing fluoride is beneficial. Maybe you can come through.

Show me the study.

And show me where I just insulted.

(bolding mine)

What is your point. Brush your teeth and you will get the needed fluoride. You think you should drink a proven poison because it passes through your teeth.

I think you drank too much fluoride.

There you go! Always glad to oblige!
Also, mentioning proof is not providing proof. Just for future reference.

I'm not going to provide any proof, since it's not my field of expertise. However, your lack of proof of the contrary position is duly noted, and ridiculed.

And please point out any flaws in my first post's position that if fluoride did all those dastardly things, that we wouldn't be arguing with you but agreeing? Hmm. Anything wrong there? Anything at all?

 

[Thunder]

Lies?

There are no study that says swallowing fluoride helps prevent cavities. Is that a lie? Show me the study.

the amount of fluoride in a glass of water is too small to harm you in any way. ive been drinking tap water for years and I feel fine.

if you are really soo concerned about fluoride, stop drinking tap water, and dont brush your teeth with fluoride containing toothpaste.

why is this so hard for you?

btw..please provide proof that the Nazis used fluoride to pacify people.

ive just done a Yahoo search and only found insane religous websites, and utterly unsubstantiated allegations. no evidence, no numbers, no facts....nothing.

there is more evidence that Hitler had one testicle, then he fluoridated water to make people servile.

 

[Without Rights]

If you want to argue the Flouride is bad from a physical health point of view, go ahead. Most medical experts think you are wrong, but you can make a case..a weak one, but a case.
But the "Fluoride Can Be Used To Brainwash and Pacify You" is pure BS.
Notice how the Tin Foilers always seem to prefer the WORST argument they can find ?

If most medical experts agree that ingesting fluoride is good and causes no damage then Show me a study.

If you think that it is a weak case then you are uneducated. There are 100's of studies that show the damage it causes and zero that show benefits. Are all those journals wrong? What study contradicts the 100's of studies from around the world that prove fluoride is toxic.

Since fluoride is a neurotoxin that has been proven to lower IQ and damage the hypothalamus it is not a far stretch to say it alters behavior also.

How about some facts instead of ad hominem.

Here's a fun fact, Norway, Sweden, Austria, Germany, Belgium, Italy and France all have banned fluoridated water because there is zero evidence that it is beneficial and tons of peer reviewed scientific evidence that fluoride is toxic.

Also medicating large populations without informed consent or supervision by a qualified medical practitioner is illegal.

Calling me a CT or woo is the only argument I get. Where is the science?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

No, I can source the fact that they administered fluoride through the water.

so why dont you?

If so, how did he know swallowing fluoride would help since there is zero studies that say so?

studies found a link between people drinking naturally fluoridated water and a lower instance of tooth decay and cavities, it has nothing to do with ingesting the fluoride

Many epidemiologic surveys conducted in the late 1930s and early 1940s showed that children who lived in communities with optimal levels of fluoride occurring naturally in their drinking water had about 50 percent to 65 percent fewer decayed teeth than did children who lived in communities with negligible concentrations of fluoride. These studies showed that about one part fluoride to one million parts of water (1 ppm) produced maximal protection against dental decay and only minimal amounts of dental fluorosis, a cosmetic condition of teeth that may occur from the chronic ingestion of excessive fluoride during the period when permanent teeth are forming.

http://www.novelguide.com/a/discover/eph_01/eph_01_00213.html

 

[Thunder]

No, I can't source the fact that they administered fluoride through the water.

um, until you or anyone else provides actual evidence of it, it simply did not happen.

thats right!! without physical, photo, video, eye-witness evidence of an event..it DID NOT OCCUR.

i suspect this was alllll made up, by anti-Communists, to spread fear and suspicion about water fluoridation. whats the best way to scare people about a governmant program??

tell folks it was invented by the Soviets or the Nazis. works every time.

 

[Without Rights]

(bolding mine)


There you go! Always glad to oblige!
Also, mentioning proof is not providing proof. Just for future reference.

I'm not going to provide any proof, since it's not my field of expertise. However, your lack of proof of the contrary position is duly noted, and ridiculed.

And please point out any flaws in my first post's position that if fluoride did all those dastardly things, that we wouldn't be arguing with you but agreeing? Hmm. Anything wrong there? Anything at all?

Mentioning proof is not providing proof? What, do you want me to mail you the journals? Mentioning scientific journals is providing proof. Proof from trained chemists and doctors. You can't provide proof because there is none. You think you have to be an expert to quote an expert? Maybe your to lethargic to research a little.

I never said fluoride is some mythical like drug that will make you agree with everything anybody says. The studies show fluoride damages the brain, brain and behavior go hand in hand. And typing on a computer requires very little action or motivation.