JFK Second Shooter Theory Debunked by Discovery Channel

[I Ratant]

The DC did not prove an SBT scenario in that show. And in the newest show they disproved the autopsy photos and xrays. Their Z313 fatal head shot blew away the top of the head. Do your realize the significance of that?

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The bullet on entering the -rear- of the head began to yaw. The bones in the head began to split open due to the expansion of the brain with the passage of the bullet. (JFK suffered from a disease which made his bones brittle.) The bullet came our of the head over the right eye, blowing out some of the skull bones and a lot of brain material.
The bullet continued on to impact the upper portion of the limosine windshield coaming, where it broke up.
A significant piece of skull from the occipital area can be observed spiraling up from the head. This piece when later found on the infield became the "Harper fragment", which was also given to RFK, who disposed of it.

 

[dudalb]

The most idiotic "Proof" that Oswald could not have done it is the "no way he could have gotten off all those shots with a Bolt Action Rifle" routine. Anybody who actually tried speed shooting with a Bolt Action rifle laughs at that one.

 

[PhantomWolf]

in the newest show they disproved the autopsy photos and xrays. Their Z313 fatal head shot blew away the top of the head. Do your realize the significance of that?

Actually their results were very like the autopsy photos and xrays except that there was no skin to hold the skull in place on thie dummy head, they simply had a skull and brain.

 

[pamelajfk]

The tech test blew a big hole in the findings of the WCR when the SN shot blew the top of the head off the dummy. How could anyone possibly believe the x-rays, autopsy photos and drawings are not faked after that?

 

[JoeyDonuts]

The tech test blew a big hole in the findings of the WCR when the SN shot blew the top of the head off the dummy. How could anyone possibly believe the x-rays, autopsy photos and drawings are not faked after that?

Easy.

...wait for it...

There. I believe the X-rays, autopsy photos, and drawings are not faked.

 

[WildCat]

I watched a show that nearly duplicated the so-called magic bullet trajectory. They had human torso shaped gelatin blocks with bones inserted for ribs and wrists. The blocks were positioned the same as JFK and Connelly were in the Limo, with Connelly inboard and low.

Using a 6.5 mm Carcano from a raised position duplicating the shooter's nest in the TSBD, a marksman shot the rear block (JFK) in the back. The bullet was shown on high speed cameras to go through JFK, yaw, exit sideways, penetrate Connelly's simulated chest, then go through the simulated wrist and bounce off of the simulated thigh. The people conducting the test decided that the bullet did not penetrate the simulated thigh due to breaking two ribs instead of just one in the simulated torso. Excellent show.

Ranb

I saw that, it was excellent. For the test they even obtained a box of cartridges from the same lot that Oswald's came from!

 

[PhantomWolf]

The tech test blew a big hole in the findings of the WCR when the SN shot blew the top of the head off the dummy. How could anyone possibly believe the x-rays, autopsy photos and drawings are not faked after that?

Did you even read the bit where I pointed out that the dummy didn't have skin to hold the skull parts in the head? Kennedy's skull was similarly shattered, and while some pieces escaped the skin, most were just shattered in the head and held in place by his scalp. Virtually the entire right side of his skull was shattered starting just behind and above the ear, exactly like the dummy's. The only major difference was that the dummy's skull wasn't covered and so the parts were able to escape easier.

 

[PhantomWolf]

This drawing shows an almost identical result to the DC shot. Especially considering that the odds of hitting the exact spot Oswald did is pretty remote, even for the best shot on the planet (not that Oswald's shot was hard, just that he was aiming at the entire upper torso while to duplicate the shot you have to hit a target about 5mm in diameter).

 

[Drewbot]

Lame...

We all know it was really the Secret Service agent in the follow up car, accidentally discharging an AR15 which exploded upon hitting JFK's head. A jacketed bullet wouldn't do that kind of damage.

Does the show debunk that?

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The Discovery Channel will air a program on Sunday that forensically examines the JFK assassination. Specifically they recreate the geometry of the shot and model JFK's head with some high tech goo that simulates a real skull. The program is to air on Sunday, Nov. 16th, but there are video clips and a summary at link below.

Basically, they say that the shot from the School Book Depository recreates the actual wound to Kennedy's head, while the shot from the grassy knoll does not.

Guess we can put this one to bed huh!?

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/13/jfk-forensics-tech.html

This was put to bed 40 years ago. The nutjobs keep bringing it back up.

I'll have to look through the thread. I wonder if Rouser2 has shown back up?

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The Presidents "Misplaced" brain would have solved all of these complaints ... Yet the Brain is gone. The one piece of evidence that could have revealed and put to rest all of these mysteries. Imagine that! The ONE PIECE of evidence that could have "Fingered" someone magically Disappears. Was anyone fired for "Losing" the brain? Was anyoneone repremanded? Was anyone even ASKED about it?

Why?

It is also obvious that the photos of Oswald in the back yard were faked.

Why?

Good one! A great parody of a conspiracy nut!

 

[I Ratant]

Lame...

We all know it was really the Secret Service agent in the follow up car, accidentally discharging an AR15 which exploded upon hitting JFK's head. A jacketed bullet wouldn't do that kind of damage.

Does the show debunk that?

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That was decided in the courts, with Howard Donohue losing the defamation suit to the survivors of the Secret Service agent accused of the act.
Consider this...
Had there been a AD from the following limosine, ALL the agents in that car would have piled on the guy with the gun!
This didn't occur.
I talked to Howard about this many years ago.

 

[EventHorizon]

This drawing shows an almost identical result to the DC shot. Especially considering that the odds of hitting the exact spot Oswald did is pretty remote, even for the best shot on the planet (not that Oswald's shot was hard, just that he was aiming at the entire upper torso while to duplicate the shot you have to hit a target about 5mm in diameter).

I watched the show and when I saw it I immediately thought of that picture. The drawing is almost identical to what the bullet did to the simulated skull on that show.

 

[boloboffin]

See?

 

[Jontg]

I would actually agree that the photo of Oswald with the rifle is obviously fake; the shadows on his face are all wrong, and the face itself looks so plastered-on that I could probably make something better in photoshop. That, however, is pretty good evidence that the fake photo is not part of some vast conspiracy. Remember, JFK conspiracy fodder was a cottage industry even before the internet made it easy; there's a ton of phony stuff floating around out there that was just whipped up by some scam artist in his basement. I mean, look at it; the Russians did a better job of airbrushing Trotsky out of group photos. There's no way a professional made this.

 

[Drewbot]

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That was decided in the courts, with Howard Donohue losing the defamation suit to the survivors of the Secret Service agent accused of the act.
Consider this...
Had there been a AD from the following limosine, ALL the agents in that car would have piled on the guy with the gun!
This didn't occur.
I talked to Howard about this many years ago.

Not true.

Mortal Error was published in 1992 in both hardback, paperback, and audiobook. In 1995, Hickey sued the publishers, Simon & Schuster and St. Martin's Press, over the claims made in the book, but the suit was dismissed in 1997 on the grounds that it had been filed too long after publication. In 1998, Hickey settled with the publishers of Mortal Error on undisclosed terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Donahue

 

[Thunder]

the 2nd shot, the one that hit JFK in the head, exploded out the front of his head. bullets that come from infront of you dont explode towards the direction the bullet came from.

all shots came from behind. Oswald was the shooter.

 

[A'isha]

I would actually agree that the photo of Oswald with the rifle is obviously fake; the shadows on his face are all wrong, and the face itself looks so plastered-on that I could probably make something better in photoshop.

If the photos are fake, someone apparently forgot to inform Oswald's wife Marina, who told the FBI and the Warren Commission that she took them herself.

(scroll down to section 352)

 

[Thunder]

yeah. never mind the fact that before Oswald left his wife that morning, he left a wad of cash and his wedding ring behind.

i wonder...why did he do dat?

 

[PhantomWolf]

the 2nd shot, the one that hit JFK in the head, exploded out the front of his head. bullets that come from infront of you dont explode towards the direction the bullet came from.

all shots came from behind. Oswald was the shooter.

Don't you mean third? The first shot missed, the second hit Kennedy in the lower neck/upper back, passed through him exiting his throat, then struck Governor Connoly in the back, and passed through him into his wrist before being deflected off the wrist bone and down into his leg. The third shot hit Kennedy in the head.