VisionFromFeeling
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Hi everyone. I'm back to answer your comments. I believe it will take me a while.
Locknar:
There is no "out" in the test. The test is carried out in such a way that when I claim to observe an ailment I will have to accept the results of it. If I claim to see an ailment that is not considered to be there, 1) I choose to take full responsibility for my answers and accept to have given an incorrect answer in those cases, and 2) part of my claim is to be able to feel how the person feels their condition. Most ailments involved are such that can be verified as either being or not being. Other ailments such as pain are based on the person's own perception of their condition, and it is my claim to be able to sense how a person feels. So if I say there is pain and there is not, then I have made an incorrect observation.
If I miss an ailment that is considered to be there, yes I can say that "the ailment was not strong enough for me to sense". That is why I am allowed to pass on a person when I do not detect an ailment. I will only lose points when I make an incorrect observation. There is plenty of opportunity to lose points, don't you worry. The test is not going to be easy if a person doesn't actually see and feel ailments. I don't think it would be possible to guess one's way to successfully passing the test. We should probably have a control person who takes the test with me. I did suggest to have a medical doctor present since they are quite skilled and experienced in detecting externally visible symptoms, and in this way we could rule out that I'd be using knowledge of external signs. The IIG did not agree to have a doctor taking the test with me.
When I say "I have an ability", I mean that I perceive information about health that others don't and can't. With "ability" I do not claim to know the cause of this information. If I fail the test I will continue to receive information in the same way as before however I might find out what the true origin of the information is.
20 ailments per person is a huge list and it would be impossible to guess 9 out of 10 correctly, even if there were external signs that a very perceptive yet not psychic person could subconsciously piece together. I expect that the IIG will find good suitable candidates for the test whose ailments are not what you'd expect just by looking at them. Each person marks what ailments they have on a form, and there will be twenty ailments on another form for me, of which they have one ailment. There is no way for the IIG or for anyone to know whether an ailment "feels strong enough" for me to detect. That is why I will not lose points by passing on a person. The test will not be ambiguous. The 20 ailments are very specific. I will not be describing in words what I detect, and there will be no room for interpretation afterwards.
Soapy Sam:
I came here to this Forum to discuss my challenge application with the IIG. It will be done on detection of health problems, and the date for the test has not been set yet. We are all eager to find out whether I have the ability or not and I agree that there will be a lot of talking and waiting before the actual test and before the results come in. I will try to arrange simpler tests on the other aspects of my ability while we are waiting for the official test. Please understand that I am a busy college student and I will take the time for the other tests as I can.
JWideman:
If I am unable to make enough observations for the test then the test is inconclusive. I have insisted to the IIG that insufficient number of observations constitutes an inconclusive test and await their response on that condition. If the IIG insists that insufficient number of observations constitutes a failed test I will have to consider not having the test, although most likely I would have it anyway. I just wouldn't agree that an insufficient amount of observations concludes that I have no ability at all.
Every single time when I have been able to check my observations against the facts I have been correct. I have never deliberately avoided checking the accuracy of my observations. In most cases I am excrutiatingly curious to find out whether I was accurate but I am unable to approach strangers and ask personal questions about their health. We have no way of knowing if this presents a whole lot of very likely misses. We don't know. I realize that there is no evidence for my past accurate observations, yet I am describing them to explain why I am compelled to have the test.
Coincidence does not explain the very specific, unusual, accurate observations I've made. It can not be self-deception: I make an observation that is impossible to detect by ordinary means, such as the description of a large, permanent darkbrown object in the field of vision as well as its exact location. I check this observation and it is correct. I seriously can not remember a single case in which I'd been wrong. When I check my answers, logic often makes me expect to be wrong and I am fully prepared to be wrong. I am trying to find out the truth about this and I would remember an incorrect observation. I can not prove this but I can assure you that I would remember an incorrect observation and there have been none. You will not find any dishonesty from me. That would be a waste of time and wrong against you.
Oh but honey there absolutely is vibrational information! I know that it is very common for alleged psychics and the like to try to validate their "woo" (as you guys call it here) by borrowing scientific vocabulary and concepts. Science is respectable, verified, and legimate, so by using science terminology they try to make their stuff sound good too. But my ability has not been scientifically studied and it has no scientific explanation to date. Still I come across many pieces of science that resemble what my experiences are. I can not claim to know what my ability is, but at least I have my favorite theories. I will describe vibrational information in a separate post.
It's what's inside the leather purse, or cardboard box, that matters. If you put a living human being inside a leather purse (please don't) I might or might not be able to detect it, I have not had that specific experience. There is living, organic food and bacteria inside the cardboard box.
I need to make a minimum of ten observations in order for the test results to be computed. If I only make one observation there is not enough material for statistical analysis to determine any kind of results one way or the other. All persons who are on the test have been approved by the testing organization as being considered equally "impossible" to detect their illness as well as all being equal in difficulty level. Initially I asked for a two-way mirror to reduce the risk of interaction between me and the persons. I would see them, but they would not see me. I don't know what the pane of glass would do? Ideas?
I have agreed to all conditions of the protocol and am only reluctant to the music. If I fail I continue to make observations, yet I will know that it is probably not the case of ESP. That is why I have the test, to find out why I have the observations. The observations will remain. Once I make a claimed observation I am stuck with the answer and can make no excuses afterwards.
Ashles:
Of course I get enjoyment from my ability. Who wouldn't enjoy seeing bright neon green atoms and knowing that there is Nitrogen there, looking at the beautiful structures of human muscle, organs, and other tissue, and experiencing insight into people and the physical world. So far every observation has been correct. (ETA: ... that has been checked, that is.) Whether it is the case of actual, real-life observations, or an active automatic imagination, or a subconscious use of normal senses, what ever it is it is what I see and it is wonderful.
Well, I am here because I am arranging to have a test with the IIG and these kind of things attract a lot of attention. I thought I would discuss the ability and the protocol with you people and also I wanted to introduce myself before people start talking about me. Whether my ability is ESP or synesthesia I will continue to build my website, I think it is fascinating no matter what it turns out to be. I do think that my ability is interesting, I am just not quite as excited about it as you say I should be.
I do perceive information that others don't and can't.
The strength of my personal belief is what would explain why I have chosen to undergo the test of my ability. I have always understood that my past experiences with this ability are not evidence. Evidence for or against can be obtained from having a test. My test will not be open to interpretation. I will have the test on medical information since that is the main part of my ability. The other aspects of the ability occur less frequently.
I have no emotions invested in my ability. Whether I pass or fail the test the ability remains the same, that is, I continue to have the same observations but would probably know what the origin of those observations are. I have the ability of perceiving information that other people do not and can not perceive. The question is only whether that information comes from ESP or from down-to-earth causes such as synesthesia. In either case which ever it may be, the ability and the information continues to come to me. Nothing changes in my world. If I make a considerable amount of incorrect observations on the test, then I will learn that the accuracy is not perfect after all. I am quite open for the possibility. Let's just see what the test will reveal. It will not bother me if I fail the test, since I get to keep my ability, that is, the observations in exactly the same way as before, but with understanding of what causes those observations. I could not favor ESP over synesthesia, both are fascinating. I would not ignore test results. I am choosing to have the test to find out those test results.
The understanding I obtain from my ability adds creative thinking to chemistry, physics, and medicine. The observations I make are inspiration and ideas that I can test as a scientist if they are interesting enough. Every chemistry student has failed chemistry experiments, it is a fact and part of the learning process. We learn not to take it personally. We learn to analyze our experimental set-up and look for the source of error, and we learn what the problem was and suggest how to do better next time. A student can earn an A even if they fail an experiment. The results of an experiment are not to be taken personally, even if the scientist was the cause of them. I have a 4.0 GPA (ie. all A's) studying a B.S. Chemistry and a B.S. Physics so you don't have to worry about my scientific background. However my professional life is not part of this inquiry into my perceived ability, and my university has no affiliation to this. I do have some scientific background but have not studied statistics yet. I am an undergraduate student.
I have no need of being considered special due to this ability. I find other ways of making my life meaningful. Of course objective testing has been lacking in my results, I have only recently decided to have objective tests.
Zep:
Here is my honest reply: If I do prove that my ability exists, I do not intend to make a living on the ability. I am looking forward to a wonderful career in physics and medical science which will earn me a high income. I am also the kind of person who wouldn't play the lottery because I feel that there are people living in trailor homes whose only dream in life is to win and to get the kind of life they deserve. I also feel greatly grateful for my ability and for being able to feel what a person is feeling. When I meet a person who is suffering from health problems the last thing I could do is to take their money. I am just grateful to help people. I know, sounds like a lie and most people who get to know me have a hard time with this, but I truly and deeply care about people and perhaps that is part of why I am perceptive of others and have this ability in the first place. If I were to receive plenty of requests from people to come and see them and tell them what I sense in them, first of all I would have to tell them that I am not licenced to dispense medical information, and that my information might be incorrect, and I would have to take great care so that a person could not be injured by what I say. I like the fact that in England, psychic readings are now by law to be considered entertainment, and I would be happy to carry this title too because it deals nicely with the issues involved. If I end up traveling to see people, I might reach a point where I would have to charge for my travel and accommodation expenses.
I am not fooling myself about my abilities. I have an ability of perceiving information about health in others, information that others do not and can not perceive. And that information has so far always been accurate. I have not claimed to know whether I have ESP or synesthesia or something else and I have not fooled myself in any way. The things that I perceive are real, they are not fooling me. When I perceive red from Hydrogen and neon green from Nitrogen I am not fooling myself. If it were the case of synesthesia it is not defined as hallucination but as an acceptable part of the perception of some people. I am not starting to realize any such thing! With you guys I am actually starting to seriously critique my observations and realizing that I can not dismiss them as at least a valid cause of having a paranormal test.
Snow:
I do have the ability. The ability is that I perceive information that others don't and can't. The question is is my ability ESP or something down-to-earth. I do perceive interesting information, and no test or conclusion can change that. My claimed ability might allow me to feel special, although it does not make me feel special. You guys criticize me for not feeling excited about my ability, then you pass unfounded criticism that I'd feel special about it. Both are not true and either way I'd be wrong.
What I refer to as my "ability" is the fact that I make observations. If the test results show that my ability does not consistently lead to correct observations, and that it is not the case of ESP or anything interesting like that, then nothing would change in my world. I have not invested emotionally or otherwise in it to rely on having a true ability or an ESP ability. So far though, the ability has lead to correct observations which is why I want to have the test. I do not feel special today and I would not feel less special if I fail the test. I take pride in my acchievements in school and career-wise and do not need an ability to make me feel content with who I am.
I will make excuses for failing the test only if I find compelling excuses. I am not inclined to making excuses when there are none to make. If a test proves that I do not have an ESP ability that leads to correct observations, I will not believe that I do. I am choosing to take the test to find out. I don't think I seem like the typical paranormal claimant. I am not emotionally invested in this like I am accused of being. I do not feel I am special. I am not convinced of having ESP. I am not causing problems in the protocol formation or delaying it or making impossible demands on the test. I do not intend to charge money for my services. I would accept a negative test results.
EHocking:
I am testing the part of my ability that makes the far most frequent observations. I would love to take a test in identifying unknown prescription medicines, but how would I arrange this? How would I obtain the people and materials necessary for this test? I am not opposed to this kind of test, I just don't know how to arrange it.
Pixel42:
Thank you for explaining things nicely.
Pup:
I had a very quick and rushed cereal test on Monday November 10th. Small samples of cereal were placed in a total of three identical paper cups. Two of these contained plain cereal, and a third contained cereal with the Lactobacillus supplement. Even with these identical containers I claimed to feel and see a distinct low, dark and heavy vibration from the plain cereal, and a distinctly tall, bright and white from the one with the bacteria. The three cups were shuffled and placed randomly in a row by a friend who would then leave the room so not to give away which is which. My task was to identify which of the three had the bacterial supplement. Here are the results: C = Correct, F = Failed
1) C
2) C
3) F
4) C
5) C
6) C
7) C
8) C
9) F
10) C
11) C
12) C
13) C
14) F
15) C
16) F
17) C
18) F
As is typical when I have a chemical identification test, in the beginning I have good results, but after a while I begin to feel very drained, tired and get a headache. I begin to rush and guess wanting to get the test over with sooner, I also become unable to identify the desired sample, as is seen by the increase in incorrect answers toward the end. I wanted to make twenty runs but it became impossible due to the way I started to feel. Someone who is skilled in statistics can interpret these results for us. I will have additional tests later on and will repeat the cereal test as well. Medical information is easier for me to work with and does not require the kind of effort as other types of tests do. I would need to rest between series of runs if I had an official chemical identification test. I have never experienced discomfort when reading health information in people, which is another reason why I prefer a health information test.
Hokulele:
I will receive a correct point for making a correct observation. We could say that it is the chance of 1 in 20 to guess the ailment correctly in one person. I receive a losing point for incorrect observations. And we could say it is a 19 in 20 chance to guess incorrect. The unknowns which I passed on are not part of the statistics at all nor should they be. I make ten claims, and those ten claims are checked. I must make a minimum amount of a total of ten observations in order for it to be possible to calculate statistically a pass or a failure. I really need to have the option of saying that I do not detect the health information in a person, because otherwise I'd have to be guessing and that would not be showing what I believe I am observing, now would it? Honey I never have any doubt with my observations. I either see something or I do not see something. I never ever doubt.
UncaYimmy:
No I haven't had the chance to set up any real tests of my detection of health information! That is what I am doing now. The ailments I list on my webpage are things that I have been under the impression that I have observed. Not all of them have been checked, because in most cases it was not possible to. The ones that were checked represent you could say a random sample of my observations and have all been accurate. I have not myself selected which of my observations are checked, and surprising as it may seem, it is the most unlikely observations that I am most eager to check. I did not intend to imply that all of these observations listed on my page had been checked. I need to clarify this on the webpage, thank you for pointing this out.
Interesting what you mention about the photographies. Yes the fact that I do sometimes detect information from photographies might indicate as to what the source of the information is. In my perception I receive vibrational information. I do not know how. Yes, it is very likely that the internal body is connected to the skin, connected to clothing, connected to air, and connected to me. I can't claim to know the origins of the ability, but I am interested in theories. I speculate on what materials would be acceptable as screens and what not due to the frequency of observations I've had with those materials in between. Good question.
Yes! No contradiction here! I can make a quick glance and a live, motion picture builds up in my mind. It is as if I need to see the person to download and locate the source of the information. No I have not done any real testing what so ever yet. My statements on my observations are based on what observations I've experienced making, and the only source of verification has been from finding out by asking or by mention afterwards whether I was right or not (and I've been right).
What I sense automatically translates into my understanding of what it means. For instance the diabetes precursor simply "feels" like diabetes automatically and I did not need any training to know so.
Yes I meant opaque.
The only tests I've made are few and on chemical identification. I've had coins, and various types of nutritional supplements, in identical opaque cups. I see what you mean by a simpler test, yet, from my point of view I am also interested in a test that favors me, ie. with most frequent observations.
godofpie:
Like I've said I do not detect all cases of an ailment. I don't know whether I would detect stomach ulcers when there is no pain associated. Someone I know was also recently hospitalized for loss of blood due to same reasons and I had not detected it, so the answer is probably no to this ailment! I also know for a fact that I can not detect whether a person's tonsils have been removed or not. That is why I do not want to lose points for not seeing something. If I do say that I see/feel ulcers and am incorrect, then I will be happy to lose a point for this. Yes the person has to have a current headache in order for me to feel a headache. Sometimes I sense that a person has a tendency for headaches even though a headache is not current, but for test purposes it is probably better if persons have a current experience of the ailments.
Locknar:
There is no "out" in the test. The test is carried out in such a way that when I claim to observe an ailment I will have to accept the results of it. If I claim to see an ailment that is not considered to be there, 1) I choose to take full responsibility for my answers and accept to have given an incorrect answer in those cases, and 2) part of my claim is to be able to feel how the person feels their condition. Most ailments involved are such that can be verified as either being or not being. Other ailments such as pain are based on the person's own perception of their condition, and it is my claim to be able to sense how a person feels. So if I say there is pain and there is not, then I have made an incorrect observation.
If I miss an ailment that is considered to be there, yes I can say that "the ailment was not strong enough for me to sense". That is why I am allowed to pass on a person when I do not detect an ailment. I will only lose points when I make an incorrect observation. There is plenty of opportunity to lose points, don't you worry. The test is not going to be easy if a person doesn't actually see and feel ailments. I don't think it would be possible to guess one's way to successfully passing the test. We should probably have a control person who takes the test with me. I did suggest to have a medical doctor present since they are quite skilled and experienced in detecting externally visible symptoms, and in this way we could rule out that I'd be using knowledge of external signs. The IIG did not agree to have a doctor taking the test with me.
When I say "I have an ability", I mean that I perceive information about health that others don't and can't. With "ability" I do not claim to know the cause of this information. If I fail the test I will continue to receive information in the same way as before however I might find out what the true origin of the information is.
20 ailments per person is a huge list and it would be impossible to guess 9 out of 10 correctly, even if there were external signs that a very perceptive yet not psychic person could subconsciously piece together. I expect that the IIG will find good suitable candidates for the test whose ailments are not what you'd expect just by looking at them. Each person marks what ailments they have on a form, and there will be twenty ailments on another form for me, of which they have one ailment. There is no way for the IIG or for anyone to know whether an ailment "feels strong enough" for me to detect. That is why I will not lose points by passing on a person. The test will not be ambiguous. The 20 ailments are very specific. I will not be describing in words what I detect, and there will be no room for interpretation afterwards.
Soapy Sam:
I came here to this Forum to discuss my challenge application with the IIG. It will be done on detection of health problems, and the date for the test has not been set yet. We are all eager to find out whether I have the ability or not and I agree that there will be a lot of talking and waiting before the actual test and before the results come in. I will try to arrange simpler tests on the other aspects of my ability while we are waiting for the official test. Please understand that I am a busy college student and I will take the time for the other tests as I can.
JWideman:
If I am unable to make enough observations for the test then the test is inconclusive. I have insisted to the IIG that insufficient number of observations constitutes an inconclusive test and await their response on that condition. If the IIG insists that insufficient number of observations constitutes a failed test I will have to consider not having the test, although most likely I would have it anyway. I just wouldn't agree that an insufficient amount of observations concludes that I have no ability at all.
Every single time when I have been able to check my observations against the facts I have been correct. I have never deliberately avoided checking the accuracy of my observations. In most cases I am excrutiatingly curious to find out whether I was accurate but I am unable to approach strangers and ask personal questions about their health. We have no way of knowing if this presents a whole lot of very likely misses. We don't know. I realize that there is no evidence for my past accurate observations, yet I am describing them to explain why I am compelled to have the test.
Coincidence does not explain the very specific, unusual, accurate observations I've made. It can not be self-deception: I make an observation that is impossible to detect by ordinary means, such as the description of a large, permanent darkbrown object in the field of vision as well as its exact location. I check this observation and it is correct. I seriously can not remember a single case in which I'd been wrong. When I check my answers, logic often makes me expect to be wrong and I am fully prepared to be wrong. I am trying to find out the truth about this and I would remember an incorrect observation. I can not prove this but I can assure you that I would remember an incorrect observation and there have been none. You will not find any dishonesty from me. That would be a waste of time and wrong against you.
Oh but honey there absolutely is vibrational information! I know that it is very common for alleged psychics and the like to try to validate their "woo" (as you guys call it here) by borrowing scientific vocabulary and concepts. Science is respectable, verified, and legimate, so by using science terminology they try to make their stuff sound good too. But my ability has not been scientifically studied and it has no scientific explanation to date. Still I come across many pieces of science that resemble what my experiences are. I can not claim to know what my ability is, but at least I have my favorite theories. I will describe vibrational information in a separate post.
It's what's inside the leather purse, or cardboard box, that matters. If you put a living human being inside a leather purse (please don't) I might or might not be able to detect it, I have not had that specific experience. There is living, organic food and bacteria inside the cardboard box.
I need to make a minimum of ten observations in order for the test results to be computed. If I only make one observation there is not enough material for statistical analysis to determine any kind of results one way or the other. All persons who are on the test have been approved by the testing organization as being considered equally "impossible" to detect their illness as well as all being equal in difficulty level. Initially I asked for a two-way mirror to reduce the risk of interaction between me and the persons. I would see them, but they would not see me. I don't know what the pane of glass would do? Ideas?
I have agreed to all conditions of the protocol and am only reluctant to the music. If I fail I continue to make observations, yet I will know that it is probably not the case of ESP. That is why I have the test, to find out why I have the observations. The observations will remain. Once I make a claimed observation I am stuck with the answer and can make no excuses afterwards.
Ashles:
Of course I get enjoyment from my ability. Who wouldn't enjoy seeing bright neon green atoms and knowing that there is Nitrogen there, looking at the beautiful structures of human muscle, organs, and other tissue, and experiencing insight into people and the physical world. So far every observation has been correct. (ETA: ... that has been checked, that is.) Whether it is the case of actual, real-life observations, or an active automatic imagination, or a subconscious use of normal senses, what ever it is it is what I see and it is wonderful.
Well, I am here because I am arranging to have a test with the IIG and these kind of things attract a lot of attention. I thought I would discuss the ability and the protocol with you people and also I wanted to introduce myself before people start talking about me. Whether my ability is ESP or synesthesia I will continue to build my website, I think it is fascinating no matter what it turns out to be. I do think that my ability is interesting, I am just not quite as excited about it as you say I should be.
I do perceive information that others don't and can't.
The strength of my personal belief is what would explain why I have chosen to undergo the test of my ability. I have always understood that my past experiences with this ability are not evidence. Evidence for or against can be obtained from having a test. My test will not be open to interpretation. I will have the test on medical information since that is the main part of my ability. The other aspects of the ability occur less frequently.
I have no emotions invested in my ability. Whether I pass or fail the test the ability remains the same, that is, I continue to have the same observations but would probably know what the origin of those observations are. I have the ability of perceiving information that other people do not and can not perceive. The question is only whether that information comes from ESP or from down-to-earth causes such as synesthesia. In either case which ever it may be, the ability and the information continues to come to me. Nothing changes in my world. If I make a considerable amount of incorrect observations on the test, then I will learn that the accuracy is not perfect after all. I am quite open for the possibility. Let's just see what the test will reveal. It will not bother me if I fail the test, since I get to keep my ability, that is, the observations in exactly the same way as before, but with understanding of what causes those observations. I could not favor ESP over synesthesia, both are fascinating. I would not ignore test results. I am choosing to have the test to find out those test results.
The understanding I obtain from my ability adds creative thinking to chemistry, physics, and medicine. The observations I make are inspiration and ideas that I can test as a scientist if they are interesting enough. Every chemistry student has failed chemistry experiments, it is a fact and part of the learning process. We learn not to take it personally. We learn to analyze our experimental set-up and look for the source of error, and we learn what the problem was and suggest how to do better next time. A student can earn an A even if they fail an experiment. The results of an experiment are not to be taken personally, even if the scientist was the cause of them. I have a 4.0 GPA (ie. all A's) studying a B.S. Chemistry and a B.S. Physics so you don't have to worry about my scientific background. However my professional life is not part of this inquiry into my perceived ability, and my university has no affiliation to this. I do have some scientific background but have not studied statistics yet. I am an undergraduate student.
I have no need of being considered special due to this ability. I find other ways of making my life meaningful. Of course objective testing has been lacking in my results, I have only recently decided to have objective tests.
Zep:
Here is my honest reply: If I do prove that my ability exists, I do not intend to make a living on the ability. I am looking forward to a wonderful career in physics and medical science which will earn me a high income. I am also the kind of person who wouldn't play the lottery because I feel that there are people living in trailor homes whose only dream in life is to win and to get the kind of life they deserve. I also feel greatly grateful for my ability and for being able to feel what a person is feeling. When I meet a person who is suffering from health problems the last thing I could do is to take their money. I am just grateful to help people. I know, sounds like a lie and most people who get to know me have a hard time with this, but I truly and deeply care about people and perhaps that is part of why I am perceptive of others and have this ability in the first place. If I were to receive plenty of requests from people to come and see them and tell them what I sense in them, first of all I would have to tell them that I am not licenced to dispense medical information, and that my information might be incorrect, and I would have to take great care so that a person could not be injured by what I say. I like the fact that in England, psychic readings are now by law to be considered entertainment, and I would be happy to carry this title too because it deals nicely with the issues involved. If I end up traveling to see people, I might reach a point where I would have to charge for my travel and accommodation expenses.
I am not fooling myself about my abilities. I have an ability of perceiving information about health in others, information that others do not and can not perceive. And that information has so far always been accurate. I have not claimed to know whether I have ESP or synesthesia or something else and I have not fooled myself in any way. The things that I perceive are real, they are not fooling me. When I perceive red from Hydrogen and neon green from Nitrogen I am not fooling myself. If it were the case of synesthesia it is not defined as hallucination but as an acceptable part of the perception of some people. I am not starting to realize any such thing! With you guys I am actually starting to seriously critique my observations and realizing that I can not dismiss them as at least a valid cause of having a paranormal test.
Snow:
I do have the ability. The ability is that I perceive information that others don't and can't. The question is is my ability ESP or something down-to-earth. I do perceive interesting information, and no test or conclusion can change that. My claimed ability might allow me to feel special, although it does not make me feel special. You guys criticize me for not feeling excited about my ability, then you pass unfounded criticism that I'd feel special about it. Both are not true and either way I'd be wrong.
What I refer to as my "ability" is the fact that I make observations. If the test results show that my ability does not consistently lead to correct observations, and that it is not the case of ESP or anything interesting like that, then nothing would change in my world. I have not invested emotionally or otherwise in it to rely on having a true ability or an ESP ability. So far though, the ability has lead to correct observations which is why I want to have the test. I do not feel special today and I would not feel less special if I fail the test. I take pride in my acchievements in school and career-wise and do not need an ability to make me feel content with who I am.
I will make excuses for failing the test only if I find compelling excuses. I am not inclined to making excuses when there are none to make. If a test proves that I do not have an ESP ability that leads to correct observations, I will not believe that I do. I am choosing to take the test to find out. I don't think I seem like the typical paranormal claimant. I am not emotionally invested in this like I am accused of being. I do not feel I am special. I am not convinced of having ESP. I am not causing problems in the protocol formation or delaying it or making impossible demands on the test. I do not intend to charge money for my services. I would accept a negative test results.
EHocking:
I am testing the part of my ability that makes the far most frequent observations. I would love to take a test in identifying unknown prescription medicines, but how would I arrange this? How would I obtain the people and materials necessary for this test? I am not opposed to this kind of test, I just don't know how to arrange it.
Pixel42:
Thank you for explaining things nicely.
Pup:
I had a very quick and rushed cereal test on Monday November 10th. Small samples of cereal were placed in a total of three identical paper cups. Two of these contained plain cereal, and a third contained cereal with the Lactobacillus supplement. Even with these identical containers I claimed to feel and see a distinct low, dark and heavy vibration from the plain cereal, and a distinctly tall, bright and white from the one with the bacteria. The three cups were shuffled and placed randomly in a row by a friend who would then leave the room so not to give away which is which. My task was to identify which of the three had the bacterial supplement. Here are the results: C = Correct, F = Failed
1) C
2) C
3) F
4) C
5) C
6) C
7) C
8) C
9) F
10) C
11) C
12) C
13) C
14) F
15) C
16) F
17) C
18) F
As is typical when I have a chemical identification test, in the beginning I have good results, but after a while I begin to feel very drained, tired and get a headache. I begin to rush and guess wanting to get the test over with sooner, I also become unable to identify the desired sample, as is seen by the increase in incorrect answers toward the end. I wanted to make twenty runs but it became impossible due to the way I started to feel. Someone who is skilled in statistics can interpret these results for us. I will have additional tests later on and will repeat the cereal test as well. Medical information is easier for me to work with and does not require the kind of effort as other types of tests do. I would need to rest between series of runs if I had an official chemical identification test. I have never experienced discomfort when reading health information in people, which is another reason why I prefer a health information test.
Hokulele:
I will receive a correct point for making a correct observation. We could say that it is the chance of 1 in 20 to guess the ailment correctly in one person. I receive a losing point for incorrect observations. And we could say it is a 19 in 20 chance to guess incorrect. The unknowns which I passed on are not part of the statistics at all nor should they be. I make ten claims, and those ten claims are checked. I must make a minimum amount of a total of ten observations in order for it to be possible to calculate statistically a pass or a failure. I really need to have the option of saying that I do not detect the health information in a person, because otherwise I'd have to be guessing and that would not be showing what I believe I am observing, now would it? Honey I never have any doubt with my observations. I either see something or I do not see something. I never ever doubt.
UncaYimmy:
No I haven't had the chance to set up any real tests of my detection of health information! That is what I am doing now. The ailments I list on my webpage are things that I have been under the impression that I have observed. Not all of them have been checked, because in most cases it was not possible to. The ones that were checked represent you could say a random sample of my observations and have all been accurate. I have not myself selected which of my observations are checked, and surprising as it may seem, it is the most unlikely observations that I am most eager to check. I did not intend to imply that all of these observations listed on my page had been checked. I need to clarify this on the webpage, thank you for pointing this out.
Interesting what you mention about the photographies. Yes the fact that I do sometimes detect information from photographies might indicate as to what the source of the information is. In my perception I receive vibrational information. I do not know how. Yes, it is very likely that the internal body is connected to the skin, connected to clothing, connected to air, and connected to me. I can't claim to know the origins of the ability, but I am interested in theories. I speculate on what materials would be acceptable as screens and what not due to the frequency of observations I've had with those materials in between. Good question.
Yes! No contradiction here! I can make a quick glance and a live, motion picture builds up in my mind. It is as if I need to see the person to download and locate the source of the information. No I have not done any real testing what so ever yet. My statements on my observations are based on what observations I've experienced making, and the only source of verification has been from finding out by asking or by mention afterwards whether I was right or not (and I've been right).
What I sense automatically translates into my understanding of what it means. For instance the diabetes precursor simply "feels" like diabetes automatically and I did not need any training to know so.
Yes I meant opaque.
The only tests I've made are few and on chemical identification. I've had coins, and various types of nutritional supplements, in identical opaque cups. I see what you mean by a simpler test, yet, from my point of view I am also interested in a test that favors me, ie. with most frequent observations.
godofpie:
Like I've said I do not detect all cases of an ailment. I don't know whether I would detect stomach ulcers when there is no pain associated. Someone I know was also recently hospitalized for loss of blood due to same reasons and I had not detected it, so the answer is probably no to this ailment! I also know for a fact that I can not detect whether a person's tonsils have been removed or not. That is why I do not want to lose points for not seeing something. If I do say that I see/feel ulcers and am incorrect, then I will be happy to lose a point for this. Yes the person has to have a current headache in order for me to feel a headache. Sometimes I sense that a person has a tendency for headaches even though a headache is not current, but for test purposes it is probably better if persons have a current experience of the ailments.
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