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Pentagon Advisory Board Recommends Big Cuts

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WASHINGTON - A senior Pentagon advisory group, in a series of bluntly worded briefings, is warning President-elect Barack Obama that the Defense Department's current budget is "not sustainable," and he must scale back or eliminate some of the military's most prized weapons programs.

The briefings were prepared by the Defense Business Board, an internal management oversight body. It contends that the nation's recent financial crisis makes it imperative that the Pentagon and Congress slash some of the nation's most costly and troubled weapons to ensure they can finance the military's most pressing priorities.

Those include rebuilding ground forces battered by multiple tours to Iraq and Afghanistan and expanding the ranks to wage the war on terrorism.

"Business as usual is no longer an option," according to one of the internal briefings prepared in late October for the presidential transition, copies of which were provided to the Globe. "The current and future fiscal environments facing the department demand bold action."

The briefings do not specify which programs should be cut, but defense analysts say that prime targets would probably include the new F-35 fight er jet, a series of Navy ship programs, and a massive Army project to build a new generation of ground combat vehicles, all of which have been skyrocketing in cost and suffering long development delays.

The Pentagon itself is advising the incoming president to cut the various white elephants. Who woulda thunk it?
 
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I doubt Obama will make significant defense cuts unless compensated with increased spending elsewhere. He can't be seen as soft on defense. Even reports like this will not give him sufficient cover.
 
I posted about this on the other forum. But here goes....

This board is one Rummy put in place. Before we had the distraction of Aghanistan+Iraq, Rummy was actually a reformer trying to modernize the military. It was actually an extension and continuation of Clinton-era policy (which I find amusing since the GOP always painted it as GUTTING the military).

Rummy's advisor... what was his name.. popular video on google.com where he talks about global security... Anyway, this is actually an extension of Clinton-Bush policy. The hard part will really be selling it to congress. When you want to cut costs, those dollars were going to someone's district.
 
The ideal, a fast, flexible, relatively small military with great technological advantage over it's enemies has proven very good at winning battles.

However, not so much in terms of occupation/pacification, which requires lots of "boots on the ground".

In a slightly-related issue, it's always interesting to hear the screams of protest whenever there's any talk of "base closing".
 
The ideal, a fast, flexible, relatively small military with great technological advantage over it's enemies has proven very good at winning battles.

However, not so much in terms of occupation/pacification, which requires lots of "boots on the ground".

That is exactly Thomas Barnett's thesis. He illustrates (in the TED talk above) that the US Armed Forces are over-capable (to the point that no one will pick a fight with them), and that the State Department can handle the nations when they're all healthy. The problem is in the transition from war to peace, and there ought to be a "Department of Everything Else (besides War)" to handle that; instead of tasking 19-year old warriors to hand out food aid, that ought to be done by some 40-somethings with experience in providing infrastructure and other necessary transitional help.
 
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That is exactly Thomas Barnett's thesis. He illustrates (in the TED talk above) that the US Armed Forces are over-capable (to the point that no one will pick a fight with them), and that the State Department can handle the nations when they're all healthy. The problem is in the transition from war to peace, and there ought to be a "Department of Everything Else (besides War)" to handle that; instead of tasking 19-year old warriors to hand out food aid, that ought to be done by some 40-somethings with experience in providing infrastructure and other necessary transitional help.
I agree with much of what he says, but I think he underestimates the costs involved with this "Department of Everything Else".

Exacerbating the problem, according to the advisory group, are the rising costs of military personnel, their healthcare, and overhead. The documents estimate that more than half the annual defense budget now goes to "people costs," including $60 billion a year for the healthcare of service members and retirees.

Barnett's plan is to pay for the DoEE by cutting back on regular defense spending, because he believes that can be done while maintaining the latter's ability to kick ass.

I don't buy that. I think you will need a big net increase in the total number of boots, and that's going to raise costs. Nor is it possible to cut back too much on the regular defense spending, since you have to maintain many of their capabilities.

If you plan to get other countries to pick up the tab, they will demand significant authority in the new system. It's hard enough to get EU-nations to place forces under EU control, I doubt the US is willing to sacrifice its leadership like that.
 
This testimony before congress by Franklin C Spinney is quite illuminating. Obama is right - the biggest opportunity for cost reduction is in the big ticket weapons systems. As mentioned, there a political costs do doing this given DoD's propensity for what Spinney calls "front loading" of costs:

Front loading is the art of planting seed money today while downplaying the future consequences of a decision to spend that money. While it takes many forms, the most well known form is the so-called “Milestone II Buy-In,” a deliberately “low-balled” estimate of future costs made to obtain a Milestone II approval in a weapons acquisition program. A Milestone II approval is crucially important, because it allows an acquisition program to move into concurrent engineering and manufacturing development (EMD). Once EMD is approved, the defense contractor can begin to “invest” contract dollars (i.e., tax dollars) in building a geographically distributed production base as well as a nationwide network of suppliers. The EMD decision, in effect, gives the contractor permission to use public money to build his political protection network by systematically spreading subcontracts and production facilities to as many congressional districts as possible. This spreading operation is the second step in the gaming strategy and is known as political engineering.

The goal is to raise the political stakes before the true costs of the front-loaded program become apparent. By the time these costs emerge, as they clearly did in the case of the F-18, the series of sequential adjustments in the succession FYDPs have bought enough time and desensitized decision makers to the effects of additional production cutbacks, while the political cost of a fundamental redirection (i.e., termination) has become prohibitive. So, decision-makers on both sides of the Potomac take the easy way out: they cut back production rates to reduce total costs in order to protect the jobs and profits of their constituents. Viewed in the context of the defense power games, production stretch-outs, like those in Side 3, were a predictable, indeed inevitable, consequence of a decision to front load the F-18 into the budget in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

While these power games may work to get programs started in the short term, they create a brain lock that produces a vicious cycle of decay over the long term.​

Anyway, the whole thing is worth a read when you have the time. I do fear gdnp is right though - its sad that its almost politically impossible to talk as Spinney does here for fear of being tarred as "soft on defense" - well, isn't advocating for the status quo "soft on defense" if it leads to a "vicious cycle of decay" and bloat that mis-aligns America's spending with the strategic environment?

One more part worth quoting:

How might we begin to better rationalize this situation in terms of real needs?

Perhaps a couple of examples will help place this question into perspective. The first relates to the Royal Navy and the second relates to Israel. In the late Nineteenth Century, the Royal Navy also bestrode the world’s oceans like a colossus when compared to other Navies, but, it should be noted, to a lesser extent than the U.S. military relates to the rest of world’s conventional forces today. Strategic planners in the Royal Navy adopted what came to be known as the Two Power Standard to maintain their superiority. They used this standard to plan for the Royal Navy’s budgets, particularly its battleship modernization program. The Two Power Standard simply meant that the Royal Navy should maintain a battleship fleet that was at least as powerful as the next two biggest fleets combined, which were those of United States and Germany. Note that this standard was applied to friend as well as foe. If we applied the logic of this standard to the current U.S. defense budget, the next two biggest spenders would be Russia and China (about $102B total). So, a Two Power Standard applied to the United States defense budget would reduce the current budget by over 70 percent.

A second example illustrating the judgment of how much spending is enough is the case of Israel. Israel faces direct strategic threats from Iraq and Syria but also has to consider the potential threats posed by organized military capabilities of Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Libya, and Saudi Arabia in its strategic planning (for the purpose of illustrating this point, we can neglect the additional capabilities of any other Arab Counties, like Kuwait or the UAE, etc.). If Israel applied the Royal Navy’s standard to the defense budgets of the above listed adversaries, we could say that Israel maintains a One-Quarter Power Standard. Nevertheless, few doubt Israel’s capability to defend itself with its conventional forces in a Second/Third Generation war (like that of 1967 or 1973) against these nations. On the other hand, Intifada I, the debacle in Lebanon, and the ongoing Intifada II, all raise serious questions about the capability of Israel’s military to defeat the threats posed by a Fourth Generation adversary. But these Fourth Generation threats, serious as they may be, are hardly related to relative size of the defense budgets of Israel, let alone the United States.

Some might be tempted to argue that a One Quarter Power Standard by Israel is misleading, because Israeli spending is far more efficient than its adversaries. This is true, no doubt. But this argument is a double edged sword, because it would also apply to the Twenty Power Standard of the United States, in effect making the overwhelming nature of that comparison even larger, particularly when applied against the likes of Iraq, Iran, or North Korea.

Our military exists to cope with the real threats to our nation’s security. But the bulk of U.S. spending is directed toward maintaining and modernizing its second and third generation military capabilities left over from the Cold War with a modern equivalent of a twenty-power standard.​

Another good resource (and where I found this testimony) is Rose Colored Glasses, a blog started by a vet and devoted to military procurement issues. There is an excellent (and lengthy) pdf called "Odyssey of Armaments" which describes the procurement process from an insider with decades of experience at different companies involved in the MIC. Well worth an email request as mentioned in the sidebar of the blog...
 
How might we begin to better rationalize this situation in terms of real needs?

Perhaps a couple of examples will help place this question into perspective. The first relates to the Royal Navy and the second relates to Israel. In the late Nineteenth Century, the Royal Navy also bestrode the world’s oceans like a colossus when compared to other Navies, but, it should be noted, to a lesser extent than the U.S. military relates to the rest of world’s conventional forces today. Strategic planners in the Royal Navy adopted what came to be known as the Two Power Standard to maintain their superiority. They used this standard to plan for the Royal Navy’s budgets, particularly its battleship modernization program. The Two Power Standard simply meant that the Royal Navy should maintain a battleship fleet that was at least as powerful as the next two biggest fleets combined, which were those of United States and Germany.​

It should be added that the adoption of this two-power standard was accompanied by aggressively cutting the Royal Navy's worldwide obligations. British strategists accepted the fact that Britain was past its military zenith, with other nations approaching or even surpassing her economic might.

A similar approach would for example see NATO disbanded, with its US assets in Europe either sold to the EU or withdrawn to other places. The EU would then assume full responsibility for the European theatre - mostly Russia.
For the US this would have the advantage of freeing up resources for other purposes, but the disadvantage is a loss of control.​
 
The Pentagon itself is advising the incoming president to cut the various white elephants. Who woulda thunk it?

Since when is the Pentagon worried about Congress' ability to spend, spend, spend?

If Congress is running out of money, it is, of course, Congress' job to weigh defense vs. everything else. But the military would simply recommend various R&D, field spending, and so on, that they can do for various spending levels, then let Congress decide.


Something seems wrong with this that a DoD groups is recommending big cutbacks because Congress is being an idiot. I'd bet someone there who wants to get up high on the Obama favored list is doing this per his request so Obama can make huge cuts saying, see? The DoD wants it!

Good ol' CYA.
 
Ya, I bet thats the case, its all a conspiracy to provide political cover in a saundry tale of one hand washing the other...

Sorry to be so sarcastic but it seemed like the most appropriate response to this unsourced speculation of yours...
 
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/11/the-real-world.html

Caveat: Ralph Peters was on McCain's campaign as Defense advisor, however, he now and again puts out a decent critique amongst some of his less useful ramblings. He's been writing on Defense matters for some time, covering a wide range of topics. Love him or hate him, he has a passing grasp of the big and small pictures, though I don't often see eye to eye with his slant.
As president, Barack Obama will have to establish a strong identity quickly. Expectations, at home and abroad, are diffuse and contradictory. Just as American voters projected their own convictions onto both candidates, so allies and enemies overseas have constructed their own preferred images of Obama. Wishful thinking will have to be dispelled as our new president puts our interests first.
With that preamble, how does defense spending play into "our interests?"
Obama has promised to strengthen our armed forces. He won't be able to do it. Facing massive debts and decreased revenues, his budget staff will look for places to cut. Unable to trim entitlement programs — and with vast campaign promises to fulfill before 2012 — Obama almost inevitably will turn to the Pentagon as a source of savings.

The Obama administration will begin by trying to kill Cold War legacy systems of marginal utility, but he will run into bipartisan opposition in Congress. Legislators love to praise our troops, but they vote to preserve defense contracts. Our soldiers have no lobbying clout comparable to that of defense-industry giants. Budget advisers will fall back on cutting people and benefits, while an influential minority of political activists will be delighted to punish the military.
Maybe not worthy of the Million Dollar Challenge Prize, but a good prediction. McCain and his campaign likewise pointed out that Defense spending was bloated, and needed a trim: crew cut or short back and sides? See Peters' observation on the Congressional Industrial complex, and we'll get to see a bun fight in Congress, as usual.

Each time the defense budget is to be cut, the first question the CJCS needs to ask Congress and the National Command Authority is: "What is it that you don't want to be able to do, or what capability or options when things to wrong are you willing to live without?"

There is no free lunch.

DR
 
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For the US this would have the advantage of freeing up resources for other purposes, but the disadvantage is a loss of control.
Not so much control as real estate and capability. During the 90's, Sullivan through Shiseki were trying to craft a force that was CONUS based and Globally deployable. This required key infrastructure and base leasing agreements, paid for and/or negotiated for, in key strategic real estate. The idea was to decrease the overall footprint and logistics tail of the US, globally, and thus the overall systems cost, while concentrating those funds expended on DoD activities to mostly be spent within CONUS. That ideal was not realized then, though it may in time be realized once again.

That said, the one shining success in that endeavor was the 12 year program, from 1991-2003, to turn Kuwait (and a few other pieces of Persian Gulf real estate) into a strategic Forward Operating base. To get, there, however, particularly by air, you will find that it takes a leapfrog from CONUS to X air base in NATO to Kuwait. (Granted, one can try to get there across the Pacific, but it's a longer haul.) It is the NATO basing linkage that is strategically critical to sustaining the Carter era doctrine, yet to be overturned, of ensuring that no one power gains control over the energy reserves in the Persian Gulf.

Even if US combat forces leave Europe/NATO, which I've been advocating since about 1994, it is within the interests of both the EU and the US to retain a series of basing agreements to set the conditions for such cooperative ventures as the two power blocs choose to undertake. Also insurance vis a vis Russia, should the unlikely occur and the Bear return in a rampant mode.

This, however, is of considerably more interest in the near term: is this an exercise in deterrence, or not?
TEHRAN — Iran said Wednesday that it successfully test fired a new generation of long-range surface-to-surface missiles with a range of 1,200 miles, state-run television reported. A senior official said the missile would be used only defensively, but did not identify a potential aggressor.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/13/africa/13iran.php

Some of the worst case capabilities based TBMD planning I got to work on in NATO addressed this capability, almost exactly. This was 12 years ago. ;) No, not asking for the Million, prudent planning is always worst case. :p

DR
 
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Since when is the Pentagon worried about Congress' ability to spend, spend, spend?

If Congress is running out of money, it is, of course, Congress' job to weigh defense vs. everything else. But the military would simply recommend various R&D, field spending, and so on, that they can do for various spending levels, then let Congress decide.


Something seems wrong with this that a DoD groups is recommending big cutbacks because Congress is being an idiot. I'd bet someone there who wants to get up high on the Obama favored list is doing this per his request so Obama can make huge cuts saying, see? The DoD wants it!

Good ol' CYA.

You're missing the point. The military doesn't say, "Gee, Congress is spending so much that they're out of control. Therefore we, the military, are going to recommend massive cuts in military spending."
 
You're missing the point. The military doesn't say, "Gee, Congress is spending so much that they're out of control. Therefore we, the military, are going to recommend massive cuts in military spending."
Beerina thinks Beerina is missing Beerina's point? :confused:
 
Each time the defense budget is to be cut, the first question the CJCS needs to ask Congress and the National Command Authority is: "What is it that you don't want to be able to do, or what capability or options when things to wrong are you willing to live without?"

There is no free lunch.

DR

Out of interest,
What would you cut and where would you spend the savings?
 
Two reasons. I am a citizen of a US military ally so I get the benefit of your defence expenditure without having to fund your budget deficit*. More importantly, I am interested in where the gaps are as much as where the excess is.



*We also get to be snooty and generally bitch and moan about America without having to do anything about it.
 

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