How 9/11 was done

[Thunder]

what do the mommy's and daddy's of suicide bombers ALWAYS say just after their baby boy blows himself up and murders 30 men, women, and children with him?

"he was such a good boy. so innocent and kind. always just reading the Koran and praying at the Mosque with the other good boys in fatigues and kaffiyes. I cant believe he would do this!!!"

 

[JamesB]

Incidentally, suicide bombers are not even that religiously devout on average.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/7241/journal-explores-suicide-bomber-profile

Suicide bombers who have sown mayhem from Israel to Iraq and from Chechnya to Sri Lanka are usually far from being the madmen, religious fanatics or impoverished misfits they are often portrayed as, New Scientist says.

The British science weekly says that experts who have studied the psychological profiles and backgrounds of suicide bombers find these assailants are often secular, well-educated individuals.

Many of them are born to prosperous families and take a rational decision about the path they chose, says a report in this Saturday’s issue.

What this amounts to is in many ways more alarming than the ubiquitous misperception of the suicide bomber as fanatical,” New Scientist says. “It means that in the right circumstances, anyone could be one.”

A study of Hamas and Palestinian suicide attackers from the 1980s to 2003 by Claude Berrebi, an economist at Princeton University, found that only 13 per cent of them came from a poor background, compared with 32 per cent of the Palestinian population in general.

In addition, more than half the suicide bombers had entered further education, compared with just 15 per cent of the general population.

Similarly, a study into Hezbollah militants who died in action in Lebanon in the 1980s and 1990s showed they were less likely to have come from poor families and likelier to have attended secondary school than others of their age.

 

[9/11-investigator]

what do the mommy's and daddy's of suicide bombers ALWAYS say just after their baby boy blows himself up and murders 30 men, women, and children with him?

"he was such a good boy. so innocent and kind. always just reading the Koran and praying at the Mosque with the other good boys in fatigues and kaffiyes. I cant believe he would do this!!!"

That's not true.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/05/1065292478048.html

You underestimate the concept of the islamic marterer and islamic pride. If a member of the community sacrifices himself for the 'greater good' then this will normally be acknowledged as an act of heroism. This is the case in Iraq and Palestine where suicide bombers fight occupiers. And these suicide bombers are almost always from the lowest layers of society. The behaviour of Atta c.s. is without precedent. Millions of devout muslims live in Europe and America for decades and we have seen nothing like this in this scale of organisation. I cannot even remember an islamic bomb attack in the West before 9/11. And all over sudden this large scale attack out of the blue.

I find world supremacy and grab for oil a much more convincing motive that these 'hate against our freedoms'. And the scale of the operation fits a nation state as organizer much better than a cave crowd.

 

[MIKILLINI]

"New Scientist"???

Ryhmes with "Jew Scientist"

I call Mossad propoganda.



Oh, and by the way, the Israeli Mossad Zionazi agents didnt say "we were here to document the event". that is the English translation of what they said in Hebrew. It could have just as easily been translated to "witness the event", "record the event", "see the event", etc.

And, what were all those other non-Jewish folks with cameras and video cameras doing clocking pictures and taking video of the towers doing? werent they "documenting the event"??? looks like it to me.

And, if it was a Mossad operation, why in the world would these highly trained, highly secretive spies be in the middle of the outdoors, on top of a white van, filming their damage, where all the world can see???

please...please dont tell me "the Mossad wanted to get caught..so thay they could give the truthers a hint of what happened".

Yes, they wanted to leave a trail so it would be discovered that the Mossad was in on it.
Geez, 9/11, you have to ask yourself: "Why in the hell would they do that??" If there's no people dancing, there's no suspicion, but if there are people dancing...see where this is going? Use some common sense here.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Can somebody explain why all four aircraft did not send a 'I am hijacked' signal?

Thanks.

because the guys an NWO R&D forgot to install a remote system for that when they installed the remote control systems in the planes

i assure you, however, the responsible parties have been sacked

 

[twinstead]

And these suicide bombers are almost always from the lowest layers of society.

JamesB's post above DIRECTLY contradicts this statement. Can you provide a link that supports it? Thanks.

 

[ktesibios]

Can somebody explain why all four aircraft did not send a 'I am hijacked' signal?

Thanks.

Gladly. Sending a hijack signal means changing the transponder's "squawk code" to 7500. The identifying codes are 4-digit octal numbers, in which each digit can have a value from 0 through 7. On most transponders, the code is set by either thumbwheel or rotary switches (in the case of the 757 & 767, it's concentric rotary switches- the outer knob of one switch sets two digits and the inner knob sets the other two, as you can see here.

For the old-fashioned "take me to Havana" hijackings, this was fine. While the pilots were flying the hijacker to Havana or wherever, they would have plenty of time to set the squawk code, communicate with the ground by radio and decide whether to order picadillo or try to get a burger when they got there.

OTOH, when you have an armed lunatic assaulting you, fiddling with knobs on the control pedestal will not be your #1 priority.

There were no "distress buttons". After 9/11, the FAA began considering making a rule that would require commercial airliners to carry an emergency transponder which could not be turned off from within the plane and which could be actuated with a single movement of the pilot's hand, a' la the "panic buttons" one finds in many security alarm systems. I don't at present know if they ever got as far as issuing a notice of proposed rulemaking, but irrespective of what action has since been taken, it wasn't until after 9/11 that the subject came up at all.

On 9/11, the hijackers were able to turn off the transponders on three of the four hijacked planes and to change the squawk code on one (UA175, IIRC) to confuse controllers who were trying to follow the planes on radar. Doing this isn't rocket science, it's just a matter of knowing which controls to set to what positions- information which even now is trivial to dig up online.

 

[MIKILLINI]

That's not true.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/05/1065292478048.html

You underestimate the concept of the islamic marterer and islamic pride. If a member of the community sacrifices himself for the 'greater good' then this will normally be acknowledged as an act of heroism. This is the case in Iraq and Palestine where suicide bombers fight occupiers. And these suicide bombers are almost always from the lowest layers of society. The behaviour of Atta c.s. is without precedent. Millions of devout muslims live in Europe and America for decades and we have seen nothing like this in this scale of organisation. I cannot even remember an islamic bomb attack in the West before 9/11. And all over sudden this large scale attack out of the blue.

I find world supremacy and grab for oil a much more convincing motive that these 'hate against our freedoms'. And the scale of the operation fits a nation state as organizer much better than a cave crowd.

Now don't forget what happened in '93. That truck full of explosives parked in the basement of 1 WTC didn't work, so they opted to use airliners for the next attempt; a much more effective plan as it turns out.

 

[Thunder]

Millions of devout muslims live in Europe and America for decades and we have seen nothing like this in this scale of organisation. I cannot even remember an islamic bomb attack in the West before 9/11. And all over sudden this large scale attack out of the blue.

Um....ever hear of

The Millenium LAX bomb plot?
The 1993 WTC attack?
The blind sheihk plan to bomb the NYC tunnels?
The Muslim extremist plot to blow up a NYC Subway in Brooklyn?
The Muslim extremist plot to blow up 20 airplanes over the Atlantic?
The murder of Avi Halberstam on the Brooklyn Bridge?
The murder of tourists on the top of the Empire State Building?
The Algerian terror attacks in the Paris tube?


Help me out folks what am I missing?

Investigator, you are DEAD wrong, if you think there were no Islamic-extremist terror plots and terrorist acts in the USA before 9-11. You either haven't done ANY research into the matter, or deny it all as "Zionist lies".

 

[MIKILLINI]

I see another 100 page argument from ignorance and personal incredulity coming. Can't wait. Haven't seen one of those in oh, I don't know, 10 MINUTES!~

Argument from ignorance and personal incredulity people don't rock.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Oh, and by the way, the Israeli Mossad Zionazi agents didnt say "we were here to document the event". that is the English translation of what they said in Hebrew. It could have just as easily been translated to "witness the event", "record the event", "see the event", etc.

Ah that changes everything. Not documenting but recording. Brilliant answer, really. But tell me parky: how did they know the event was coming in the first place?

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage.


So they were there early, while the towers still stood. Probably even before they got hit. In other words they knew it was coming.

And, what were all those other non-Jewish folks with cameras and video cameras doing clocking pictures and taking video of the towers doing? werent they "documenting the event"??? looks like it to me.

They certainly were not 'cheering and high-fiving'! Or driving around in white vans with traces of explosives; the same explosives that had been transported from the Urban Movers premisses to WTC four days earlier.

And, if it was a Mossad operation, why in the world would these highly trained, highly secretive spies be in the middle of the outdoors, on top of a white van, filming their damage, where all the world can see???

Chutzpa? Contempt for and sense of total sense of superiority over the stupid Goyim? They are just people who make mistakes. And did. Big time.

i beg..i urge...i plead..with 9-11 truthers. Use all your power, all your strength, all your energy, to summon what common sense you have left!!!!

Is '9/11-truther' a new synonym for an centuries old concept?

 

[D'rok]

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I say debunkers=straussian neocons on their way from the synagoge to the AEI.

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I love seeing that phrase. It is a dead giveaway that the person using it has never read Leo Strauss.

-1 for lack of research.

 

[Senenmut]

Bollyn is vague about the technical specifications of the software that had been manipulated. He mentions indeed PTech as the key player. He says that NORAD software has been manipulated, what is possible since nobody denies that PTech had NORAD as a client. What I do not understand is how the 'home run' system got activated. There were suggestions 'via the transponder'. That would be via NORAD would it not? Now is there a way to circumvent NORAD and send a signal 'from the field' so to speak? Or must we assume that somebody send the signal from within NORAD?

Any ideas?

i just wonder how powerfull this software (ptech)is. some of those war games are classified and so is what the cia was doing that day. remember those mossad agents that got caught celebrating with the towers burning in the background, they also were "filming". eyewittnesses saw them "filming" that day. now i know that they took pictures that day b/c they developed one with those guys with a cigarette lighter celebrating with the twin towers in the background. did anyone know at that point what hit the towers?? have we seen a film yet, or was it something else they had in their hands?? i wonder if a foia reqest could get that film.

more about ptech being the next promis-
fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

During the debriefing Indira was asked by a member of the Secret Service, "Is Ptech PROMIS?"

"I already knew what had happened to Danny Casolaro, and they were asking me if I had copies of Ptech," Indira told FTW.

Danny Casolaro was the investigative journalist mysteriously "suicided" in a West Virginia hotel room while investigating the theft of PROMIS software. Casolaro's investigation had uncovered a shadowy network he called "the Octopus" that seemed to have its hands in everything from drug trafficking and money laundering, all the way up to political assassinations and coups d'etat. When Casolaro's body was discovered, his arms were violently slashed and all the documents he traveled with were missing. He had told friends and relatives if anything happened to him they shouldn't believe it was by accident.

Being asked such a loaded question, she responded with her Ground Zero attitude saying:

"You have a copy of the software, why don't you tell me? This is not about the software guys, ok - was it a PROMIS? It was a place you could hide a PROMIS, a place you can drop a PROMIS."

 

[Senenmut]

911 investigator-
here are 2 sources that really dive into the israel angle. if there wasnt anything there, these people wouldnt have anything to write about. i wouldnt be talking about the mossad if there wasnt anything there....but there is....and something shady!!

the first is from an ex NSA guy-
911review.org/brad.com/ISRAELI_ART_STUDENTS.html

Dogs provided by the Bergen County Police K-9 unit alerted to the presence of explosives in the van. The nearby Homestead Studio Suites Hotel was evacuated for several hours. Asked about the Israelis in the van being present at Liberty State Park at the time of the first World Trade Center impact, one East Rutherford officer responded, “sure they were there.”[14] Another confidential source told the Bergen County Record, “There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted . . . It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.”[15] According to several Weehawken neighbors of the Urban Moving Systems warehouse, the FBI, upon searching the the warehouse, discovered fertilizer, other chemicals for making explosives, pipes, caps, and traces of anthrax. After anthrax was discovered, investigators wearing hazardous material suits went through the warehouse. Residents around Urban Moving Systems who had connections to the local police also reported that helicopters with infrared radar swooped in over the warehouse on several occasions.[16

 

[Thunder]

911 investigator-
here are 2 sources that really dive into the israel angle. if there wasnt anything there, these people wouldnt have anything to write about. i wouldnt be talking about the mossad if there wasnt anything there....but there is....and something shady!!

the first is from an ex NSA guy-
911review.org/brad.com/ISRAELI_ART_STUDENTS.html

Dogs provided by the Bergen County Police K-9 unit alerted to the presence of explosives in the van. The nearby Homestead Studio Suites Hotel was evacuated for several hours. Asked about the Israelis in the van being present at Liberty State Park at the time of the first World Trade Center impact, one East Rutherford officer responded, “sure they were there.”[14] Another confidential source told the Bergen County Record, “There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted . . . It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.”[15] According to several Weehawken neighbors of the Urban Moving Systems warehouse, the FBI, upon searching the the warehouse, discovered fertilizer, other chemicals for making explosives, pipes, caps, and traces of anthrax. After anthrax was discovered, investigators wearing hazardous material suits went through the warehouse. Residents around Urban Moving Systems who had connections to the local police also reported that helicopters with infrared radar swooped in over the warehouse on several occasions.[16

how about an actual quote from a newspaper huh? not some "ex-NSA guy".

 

[Senenmut]

the second is a lawyer (gerald shea), that thought something was fishy and sent it to some important people on capitol hill:
the link-
antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf

MEMORANDUM TO THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE

its 166 pages long (pdf) so if you have some time, id suggest you study it. on the last few pages, there is a map of where the terrorist were living and where the israeli "art students" were living.........im sure you guessed it....they were right together.

 

[Senenmut]

parky- he has got it referenced if you take a look.

 

[Tricky]

Another batch of bickering posts moved to AAH. Unless you can stay on topic and cut out the personal attacks, that will be the fate of the whole thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

 

[D'rok]

Another batch of bickering posts moved to AAH. Unless you can stay on topic and cut out the personal attacks, that will be the fate of the whole thread.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

I was trying to make a serious point that was related to the topic.

 

[Gorgonian]

what do the mommy's and daddy's of suicide bombers ALWAYS say just after their baby boy blows himself up and murders 30 men, women, and children with him?

They blow up so fast!