Left media bias re 911 exposed

[Pardalis]

Wow, I didn't know a fraternity group had such power.

 

[R.Mackey]

Metamars would have you believe that Noam Chomsky is in denial. When Chomsky writes serious rebuttals to 911 truth literature, instead of dismissing it all as based on "rumors", then maybe I'll come out with a new opinion about Chomsky and 911.

Destroying the Exception logical fallacy.

Also, unless you're talking about "911 truth literature" that I've never heard of, there is absolutely none with the slightest bit of scholarship or validity to it whatsoever. What "literature" are you referring to, in specific? Titles, authors, ISBNs, please.

 

[Miragememories]

"That sounds to me rather like the way you identify a witch. If she claims that there's no such thing as witchcraft, then she's guilty. "

I didn't know you believed in witches Dave Rogers?

Mr. Rogers you must live in an interesting neighborhood.

MM

 

[Dave Rogers]

I didn't know you believed in witches Dave Rogers?

Is there some kind of truther award for obtuseness?

Dave

 

[8den]

The sheer retardness of this is just breathtaking, the cluelessness. It's it's...

You do understand that media organisation aren't monolithic organisations ruled and controlled with an Iron grip? I've worked freelance in news for years, I have bounced from CNN to Al Jazeera, to the BBC, to Sky (UK broadcaster owned by Murdoch) in the space of month.

In Sky one of the more rightwing broadcasters the overnight shift got so bored that we ran informal competition to see who could hold the longest dissolve between George Bush and the aftermath of violence in Iraq.

 

[dudalb]

This has been said as a joke but now I think it is actually true:

That Truthers think everybody who is not a Truther is part of the Conspiracy.

Someone needs to post the flowchart the Travis did showing the REAL conspiracy.

 

[1337m4n]

Fox News turned me into a newt!

 

[jaydeehess]

So if a leftist organisation doesn't take the idea of left gatekeeping seriously, then the only possibility is that it's a left gatekeeper? That sounds to me rather like the way you identify a witch. If she claims that there's no such thing as witchcraft, then she's guilty.

Dave

Sound like Groucho Marx (to parphrase);
I won't belong to any group that would have me as a member

.........(oh noes I said Marx)

 

[CHF]

So if the news media (left and right) are controlled by "them".....why do twoofers always try to get coverage in the MSM?

Why do they sit down for interviews with FOX news, BBC, CBC, CNN?

Aren't they just playing into "their" hands?

 

[1337m4n]

And why do they use stories presented by the MSM as evidence?

 

[jaydeehess]

^% hotel TV internet
I will have to post more when I get home.

Metmars, what does the chart show asto the money going to non-USA media and if that is not the sum tota of the influence bought to bear on all internaiona media by "them" and by any means, do tell us more. Do attempt to be specific. Many here are like me, airy-fairy 'meta physics' are about as technically useful as mammary glands on males..

 

[Dr Adequate]

I'm beginning to suspect that everyone is in league with everyone else.

 

[jaydeehess]

I'm beginning to suspect that everyone is in league with everyone else.

Nonsense, according to meta , most are just useful dupes. Thank the great White God that organiztions such as "American Free Press" exist to cut through the bovine manure and concentrate on what is true, and real, equine manure.

 

[1337m4n]

I've always felt that Truther criticism of the Mainstream Media is driven primarily by sheer arrogance--an attitude that what the Truther personally considers to be most important issues MUST be the most important issues to everyone else. If the Truther thinks something is important, then, by golly, the Mainstream Media better agree with him and if it doesn't, well, it's full of shills.

 

[Thunder]

Yes. The mainstream media is TOTALLY biased against 9-11 deniers. This is a fact.

They are also biased against folks who believe in bigfoot, the loch ness monster, alien abductions, goblins, banshees, leprechauns, the Golem, and El Chupachabra.

But in all seriousness, the truthers really missed their shot. if they had acted polite, tactful, and professional, with the media all over this country, they could have had sooooo many more interviews and even stories.

but, instead, they act like children demanding attention...NOW NOW NOW.

and if they dont get EXACTLY what they want...EXACTLY when they want it...they yell, scream, curse, insult, and moan.

so, not surprisingly, the media long ago decided that these folks cannot be relied upon to act like adults. so they are ignored. as they should be.

 

[CHF]

But in all seriousness, the truthers really missed their shot. if they had acted polite, tactful, and professional, with the media all over this country, they could have had sooooo many more interviews and even stories.

They would also have helped their cause if they had honestly been "just asking questions."

Instead, from day one, they pretended to know what happened: "9/11 was an inside job!"

That sounds more like a statement than a question. And if you're going to make such a statement then you'd better have evidence.

Yet when asked for the evidence that supports their confident claims, twoofers claim to be "just asking questions" and that a "new investigation" is needed to sort this all out. All of a sudden they don't know what happened, despite what it says on their creepy black t-shirts.

It would be hard to take people like that seriously even if their claims weren't so completely moronic.

 

[metamars]

^% hotel TV internet
I will have to post more when I get home.

Metmars, what does the chart show asto the money going to non-USA media

I don't think the chart shows anything about non-US media. So, if you're hinting that something should be determined about left alternative media outside the US, I completely agree. However, as the quote I gave:

Further investigation of this evidence will likely continue to develop over the next decade of media research.

strongly implies, there's not been much research done re left gatekeeping in the US media. So, I'm not optimistic that research into left gatekeeping of US issues by foreign media has gotten much attention. But, I really don't know.

and if that is not the sum tota of the influence bought to bear on all internaiona media by "them" and by any means, do tell us more. Do attempt to be specific. Many here are like me, airy-fairy 'meta physics' are about as technically useful as mammary glands on males..

In your opinion, were the journalists who discussed the failure of the financial press who invoked anthropological and "cultural momentum" perspectives "airy-fairy"?

BTW, I've quoted a reply, somewhere here at JREF, from Noam Chomsky about my suggestion for studying the US-friendly bias of foreign media by interviewing them. He didn't think too much of the idea, but he didn't really persuade me, either.

After viewing therealnews.com segment (well, a good deal of it) that I just linked to, where the journalists certainly strike me as doing a very good job of critiquing their collective performance vis-a-vis the credit crunch, I'm more convinced than previously that doing interviews would be a productive way to study media bias.

For those "critical thinkers" reading this thread that really would be interested in the truth of the matter, please consider contacting any journalists that you know, giving them a link to this thread, and then asking them to weigh in on the matter - but only after they've viewed therealnews.com segment. This last part of the request is so that your journalist acquaintances realize that it's a serious question, and a very similar question has been seriously and, IMO, credibly dealt with by journalists.

I am not interested in flip answers, even by an accomplished journalist. So, I'd like for the journalists to have in mind that others in their profession have set the bar somewhere well above "flip".

Fosbury flip, OK, flip flip not OK, and Flipper's not a journalist. Gee, I can be really corny, can't I?

It's possible that the participants shown in therealnews.com segment were selected, deliberately or otherwise, on account of their superior powers of introspection and social iq. So, maybe even the typical "intelligent" journalist will not have anything useful to tell us about non-conspiratorial bias in the media. I don't know. But I'd at least like to see the right questions asked, and a serious attempt at their answer.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Yes. The mainstream media is TOTALLY biased against 9-11 deniers. This is a fact.

They are also biased against folks who believe in bigfoot, the loch ness monster, alien abductions, goblins, banshees, leprechauns, the Golem, and El Chupachabra.

To be fair, some of these issues get much more media coverage than the 9-11 truth movement - crop circles turn up from time to time, ghost hunters get their own TV series, alien abduction stories are well represented in fiction, and UFOlogists turn up on TV from time to time. Personally I think that's because these ideas are less well refuted by the evidence than the 9-11 truth movement's, but the lack of public outrage over the untimely death of hundreds of thousands of innocent stalks of wheat may also be a factor.

Dave

 

[jaydeehess]

I don't think the chart shows anything about non-US media.

I cannot view the chart on the hotel's TVinternet right now but IIRC it is clearly shown in the lower left of thechart

So, if you're hinting that something should be determined about left alternative media outside the US, I completely agree. However, as the quote I gave:




strongly implies, there's not been much research done re left gatekeeping in the US media. So, I'm not optimistic that research into left gatekeeping of US issues by foreign media has gotten much attention. But, I really don't know.

The premise that the lack of invstigation into "left gatekeeping" indicates that theorganization is a 'left gatekeeper" is acircular arguement. It is affirming the consequent. I point out that the only ones concerned with "left gatekeeping" are the paranoid right wingers becuase they are the only ones who believe that such a beast exists!

 

[metamars]

The premise that the lack of invstigation into "left gatekeeping" indicates that theorganization is a 'left gatekeeper" is acircular arguement. It is affirming the consequent. I point out that the only ones concerned with "left gatekeeping" are the paranoid right wingers becuase they are the only ones who believe that such a beast exists!

It would be a circular argument if you define left gatekeeper such that it was required, everywhere and always, that a left gatekeeper not investigate left gatekeeping. However, I can easily imagine a left media outlet looking at Peter Phillips' chart and using this as a starting point to seriously examine the question.* No, I don't think it's likely, but it's not impossible.

Since the debunkers are more the "nothing to see here" types, in principle they should find it easier to accept that media accused by others of being left gatekeepers would not avoid investigating and exposing, if need be, whatever biases they discover. It's thus somewhat amusing to me that a debunker would implicitly endorse a strict definition of left gatekeeper, which is more appropriate for the (so-stigmatized) paranoid conspiracy theorist camp.


* emphasis on the word "seriously". Again, I haven't looked into this too much, but Peter Phillips and Project Censored are important enough that he and they are likely on the radar of all the left media organizations that appear in his chart. My guess is that if he pursues this aggressively, at least some of those left media organizations will take note of it. I will guess, though, that in this case they will basically dismiss it.