How 9/11 was done

[UnrepentantSinner]

"What do you have. the fact that the FBI website does not list him as "wanted" for the attacks, despite the fact that on his page there is a multi million dollar reward put up by the american pilots association for his capture."

Who cares about these american pilots in this context.

The Justice Department is no longer looking for the guy from whom you say confessed 9/11 !!!

How do you explain that?

That's a MEGA-fact!

For years we heard about bin Laden all day. And now he went quietly down the memory hole.

Bin Laden served his purpose as an excuse to invade and to conquest and now he is obsolete.

Der Moor hat seine Pflicht getan, der Moor kann gehen.

Tell me TAM, are you guys going to miss me after you have thrown me down the memory hole and have nobody else than each other to debunk?

I'm sure someone already posted a response to this, but I have to ask were you're getting this information?

FBI homepage. Lower right corner, "most wanted". Top list Most Wanted Terrorists. Top of that list bin Laden. Top Ten Most Wanted list bin Laden and note the little part at the bottom of the page.

June 1999
Poster Revised November 2001

He already was on the most wanted list for the embassy attacks in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. There's no mention of the Cole or 9/11. So does that mean the Cole bombing was a Mosaad false flag operation too?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Evidence of what is in bold please. The examples you provide, aren't eeeven close, to "almost everything"!
Good luck with that...pfft.

Dog Town refers to WMD, Niger-uranium story, Atta-meeting-in Prague...

Obviously I was referring to the context of Iraq, the justification of which was given by 9/11. Now if we all can agree (as we seem to do) that the US was purposely lied into the Iraq safari, could it not be then that the initiator of this safari, 9/11, was staged as well? That is not a far-fetched idea, is it?

P.S. I almost forgot the infamous 'Downing street memo'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

The memo recorded the head of MI6 as expressing the view following his recent visit to Washington that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." It also quoted Foreign Secretary Jack Straw as saying that it was clear that Bush had "made up his mind" to take military action but that "the case was thin", and the Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith as warning that justifying the invasion on legal grounds would be difficult.

From this it was clear that the Bush administration wanted to go into Iraq, even under false pretext. They used 9/11 as this false pretext. So, if 9/11 suited them why not keep the possibility open that they staged 9/11 themselves? With a little help of our 'valiant little ally' in the Middle East, who would not mind providing support to use the US-army in order to get rid of one of its worst enemies.

 

[Heiwa]

ok smart ass, then as you say above, you will then take all that was presented at the Moussaoui trial as valid right???

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html

So I can now assume, that all of the information and evidence at that site is valid, in your opinion, as it was presented in, and accepted by, a court of law.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/july-dec01/video_12-13a.html

Let me guess, PBS is in on it to. You guys are too funny.

TAM

Was OBL and KSM at the Moussaoui trial? Moussaoui's mother was and thought that the son was drugged. Sad story. Moussaoui was/is just a patsy, poor sod.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I just wasted the last thirty minutes reading this thread.

Call me idealistic, but I was so hoping he'd actually address Gumboots, Hokulele's, and other's points... but nada.

Someone let me know if he ever answers any of the questions put to him, please; so far I have yet to see a legitimate response to the (mostly) polite questions put to him by the skeptics here.

What do you mean, Aschenputtel, spinning in space? It is me against the rest of the forum (with appreciated close air support from Senenmut).

No offense intended, but 1 idiot can ask more questions than 7 Einsteins can answer. Patience please.

 

[gumboot]

For what it's worth, if we're talking about that FAA memo about the shooting on Flight 11, the person who took the call and allegedly reported a shooting on the flight denies ever having heard mention of a gun, and denies ever having reported anything about a gun.

 

[gumboot]

From this it was clear that the Bush administration wanted to go into Iraq, even under false pretext. They used 9/11 as this false pretext. So, if 9/11 suited them why not keep the possibility open that they staged 9/11 themselves? With a little help of our 'valiant little ally' in the Middle East, who would not mind providing support to use the US-army in order to get rid of one of its worst enemies.

Stop trying to rewrite history, particularly history we're old enough to remember first hand. The pretext for war in Iraq was their illegal weapons program and 11 years of defying UN Security Council resolutions.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Stop trying to rewrite history, particularly history we're old enough to remember first hand. The pretext for war in Iraq was their illegal weapons program and 11 years of defying UN Security Council resolutions.

If I remember correctly, the whole thing could have been avoided had Saddam/Uday/Qusay complied with the ultimatum. This little tidbit gets conveniently swept under the woo rug far too often.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I'm sure someone already posted a response to this, but I have to ask were you're getting this information?

FBI homepage. Lower right corner, "most wanted". Top list Most Wanted Terrorists. Top of that list bin Laden. Top Ten Most Wanted list bin Laden and note the little part at the bottom of the page.


He already was on the most wanted list for the embassy attacks in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. There's no mention of the Cole or 9/11. So does that mean the Cole bombing was a Mosaad false flag operation too?

TAM in post 110 came with the statement:

"What do you have. the fact that the FBI website does not list him as "wanted" for the attacks"

after I had said that the FBI had stopped looking for bin Laden. That was not correct. The statement should have been:

FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060610&articleId=2623

Furthermore:

1). According White House, US does not consider bin Laden as mastermind 9/11 (they said that in september 2008)

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/10/seventh-anniversary-white-house/

2) CIA closes down unit that hunts for bin Laden

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In 2006 the White House (Tony Snow) said:

Osama bin Laden, mastermind of September 11th, the person that many people talk about and still have concerns about, calls this fight, the fight in Iraq, “the third world war.”

This is very significant. We have been fed with the bin Laden the bogeyman character who is now quietly dropped into the memory hole.

They now have a pathetic patsy 'Sheik' Mohamed, who is kept shielded off carefully from the outer world, who they probably waterboarded into a confession and that's it. Case closed. Welcome to Gulag USA where you can be held for years on end in a prison without charges (Guantanamo).

As I said: Der Moor hat seine Pflicht getan, der Moor kann gehen.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Stop trying to rewrite history, particularly history we're old enough to remember first hand. The pretext for war in Iraq was their illegal weapons program and 11 years of defying UN Security Council resolutions.

That is true but it is also true that they tried to link 9/11 to Saddam with this fake story about Atta meeting Iraqi agents in Prague.

 

[9/11-investigator]

If I remember correctly, the whole thing could have been avoided had Saddam/Uday/Qusay complied with the ultimatum. This little tidbit gets conveniently swept under the woo rug far too often.

No it is not. Saddam was asked to do the impossible, namely proving that he had no WMD's.

It is not really possible to prove that you do not have something hidden somewhere.

 

[bio]

Yes, what do you think "catastrophic" means?

Now, note also that the whole of the rest of the paper is predicated on the notion that such a thing will not happen. For example, if you look at that whole paragraph:

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.​

Finally, note that the "process of transformation" they're talking about involves increased military R&D, that's what they're discussing. Now there is no particular reason why 9/11 should have catalysed increased R&D spending; and I have never seen any PNAC member making the case that it should. And in fact it hasn't. Can you name one new weapon produced as a response to 9/11?

Pearl Harbor led to a massive increase in spending, 9/11 did not. This is because although the number of dead is comparable, the enemies were not. It would take a scare over Russia or China or someone like that.

This may give you a sense of perspective:

[qimg]http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/102006chart.gif[/qimg]

I am not sure, weather I can trust this graphic. were the bush-wars financed over the R&D-budget?

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

1). According White House, US does not consider bin Laden as mastermind 9/11 (they said that in september 2008)

Not quite. Dana Perino, press secretary for the White House was trying to put a positive spin on the fact that we haven't gotten Osama bin Laden yet. There are numerous references to bin Laden in that press conference. Here's what she said in context.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080910-1.html

Q Dana, back on 9/11. John McCain is out on the campaign trail vowing to find Osama bin Laden. Does that -- it kind of leads one to believe that if he's vowing to find Osama bin Laden and this administration hasn't found him in seven years, the conclusion -- it sounds like that you may not be finding him leading up to the end of this presidency. Where does this White House --

MS. PERINO: I'm sure that this President and I'm sure future Presidents will continue to try to track down al Qaeda leaders. We will continue to try to find Osama bin Laden. The 2008 election doesn't play a lot of -- doesn't play any role in the President's trying to track down and find Osama bin Laden and his top deputies.

Q But Osama bin Laden is the one that -- you keep talking about his lieutenants, and, yes, they are very important, but Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11 --

MS. PERINO: No, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the mastermind of 9/11, and he's sitting in jail right now.

Q Well, what, in this White House's opinion -- what was the role of Osama bin Laden, then, for 9/11?

MS. PERINO: Well, obviously, as the leader of al Qaeda, he is somebody that we want to bring to justice. He was the one that asked his deputies to plot and plan and carry out attacks. And that's why we've been aggressively going after them, as well.

This is called spin. This is not an official policy statement nor the position of the government in toto nor specific agencies like the FBI.

As I said: Der Moor hat seine Pflicht getan, der Moor kann gehen.

Ich sperche nur ein bischen Deutsch.

 

[bio]

Stop trying to rewrite history, particularly history we're old enough to remember first hand. The pretext for war in Iraq was their illegal weapons program and 11 years of defying UN Security Council resolutions.

The Bush-Administration marked Saddam Hussein as a dangerous Terrorist with WMD. This war would not have been possible without 9/11.

See what is happening now with Iran.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

No it is not. Saddam was asked to do the impossible, namely proving that he had no WMD's.

It is not really possible to prove that you do not have something hidden somewhere.

This is verbatim from President George W. Bush's speech given in the Cross Hall on March 17, 2003 at 8:01pm EST.

In recent days, some governments in the Middle East have been doing their part. They have delivered public and private messages urging the dictator to leave Iraq, so that disarmament can proceed peacefully. He has thus far refused. All the decades of deceit and cruelty have now reached an end. Saddam Hussein and his sons must leave Iraq within 48 hours. Their refusal to do so will result in military conflict, commenced at a time of our choosing. For their own safety, all foreign nationals -- including journalists and inspectors -- should leave Iraq immediately.

WMD are mentioned several times in this speech, and not as part of the ultimatum except for:

And all Iraqi military and civilian personnel should listen carefully to this warning. In any conflict, your fate will depend on your action. Do not destroy oil wells, a source of wealth that belongs to the Iraqi people. Do not obey any command to use weapons of mass destruction against anyone, including the Iraqi people. War crimes will be prosecuted. War criminals will be punished. And it will be no defense to say, "I was just following orders."

Entirely reasonable considering the documented history of the Hussein regime using chemical and nerve agents against Iran and the Kurds.

Full text of the speech here.

Saddam Hussein did not leave Iraq within 48 hours. He was given the chance to "disarm peacefully." If he did not have WMD at that time he would have been pleading for a peaceful resolution. The fact is that he was a power-mad thug who did not follow the ultimatum and ultimately suffered the consequences.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Ich sperche nur ein bischen Deutsch.

Der Moor hat seine Pflicht getan, der Moor kann gehen.

The muslim has done his duty. The muslim can go.

Fits bin Laden's role in 9/11 perfectly.

What the US-government wants least is have him captured alive. Second worst is that he is found dead. The best is the situation now: vagueness about his whereabouts, so we can keep this bogus war on terror alive.

British cabinet minister Michael Meacher on the bogus war on terror: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa98oKJ85k4

Bin laden most likely is dead. But maybe he will arise from the ashes, shown in a low quality video from Universal Studio's... uhhh a cave in Afghanistan with a slight Israeli accent.

 

[240-185]

Bin laden most likely is dead.

Prove that Bin Laden is dead.

But maybe he will arise from the ashes, shown in a low quality video from Universal Studio's... uhhh a cave in Afghanistan with a slight Israeli accent.

And you call that "investigation"...

 

[9/11-investigator]

Edited by chillzero: 

Edited for Rule 11. Do not flame bait.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Prove that Bin Laden is dead.

Do not ask silly questions you can answer for yourself.
Should I google up where he is buried or what?

And you call that "investigation"...

Nope, an opinion.

 

[stateofgrace]

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FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060610&articleId=2623

This is very significant. We have been fed with the bin Laden the bogeyman character who is now quietly dropped into the memory hole.

<snip>

Really?

Have you thought about telling these guys ?

MADRID, Spain (AP) — Spain's leading investigating judge issued the first known indictment against Osama bin Laden in the Sept. 11 attacks on Wednesday, accusing al-Qaeda of using the country as a base to plot the devastating strikes on New York and Washington.

The indictment charged bin Laden and nine others with membership in a terrorist organization and "as many crimes of terrorist murder ... as there were dead and injured" in the deadly Sept. 11 attacks.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-09-17-spain-alqaeda_x.htm

They maybe interested in your findings.

 

[240-185]

Do not ask silly questions you can answer for yourself.
Should I google up where he is buried or what?

No, I don't know whether Benny is alive or not. All I know is that he's somewhere on Earth. That's all.
And no governmental sources mention Benny's death.