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How 9/11 was done

9/11-investigator said:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/atta.html

Father Mohamed Atta asked where his son is: "Ask the Mossad".
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Father Mohamed Atta? I presume you mean Mohammed Atta's father Mohamed al-Amir Atta.

I would strongly recommend staying away from him as a viable source of information. He has given numerous interviews, and in each one the "fate" of his son changes:

19th September 2001 - New York Times
He claims his son went to the USA for education.
He claims his son had visited him in late 2000.
He claims his son is still alive.

24th September 2001 - Newsweek
He claims Mossad kidnapped his son and stole his identity.
He claims his son called him the day after the attacks.
He claims he last saw his son in late 1999.
He claims his son has never been to the USA.

2nd September 2002 - Bild am Sonntag Newspaper
He claims his son is still alive and hiding from US agents.
He claims 9/11 was the work of American Christians (not Mossad).

11th September 2004 - Associated Press
Blames 9/11 on Mossad and refuses to say whether he thinks his son is alive.

October 2004 - Egypt Today
He refuses to make any direct remarks about his son, but instead lists off a number of woefully false conspiracy theory claims about 9/11.

20th July 2005 - CNN
He claims that the 9/11 and London Bombing attacks are only the beginning of a 50 year religious war which will involve many more fighters like his son.
He demands $5,000 from CNN for another interview and says he will use that money to fund another attack like the July bombing.
(CNN declined and left).

Quite aside from his increasing radicalism and obvious anti-western attitude, his story changes dramatically from interview to interview. In the most recent, he claims his son is a fighter in a 50 year religious war, seemingly confirming that his son did commit 9/11. All talk of Mossad and inside jobs has vanished.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
hmm, i wonder what could have prompted the filing of that patent only 1 month after 9/11....:rolleyes:
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Are you really suggesting that you think it is possible that in one month time a remote control system was designed, tested and filed for patent?

It obviously was already around (and tested I might add malignantly), see Global Hawk.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Are you really suggesting that you think it is possible that in one month time a remote control system was designed, tested and filed for patent?

It obviously was already around (and tested I might add malignantly), see Global Hawk.
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a global hawk is a far cry from a commercial airliner

and things dont have to be tested to get a patent, they barely have to be designed, filing for a patent is almost a joke
 
9/11-investigator said:
You're not paying attention are you? Senenmut just wrote post 185, stating that ICTS did passenger screening.
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Could I point out that in your version of the Truth, the "hijackers" didn't even board the planes, much less smuggle anything on board.

The only thing your Truth has in common with Senenmut's Truth is that you both want to blame the Jews.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Are you really suggesting that you think it is possible that in one month time a remote control system was designed, tested and filed for patent?

It obviously was already around (and tested I might add malignantly), see Global Hawk.
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Designing a Global Hawk is nothing like retrofitting a 767 with fly-by-wire technology. Provide proof that it was tested or even designed beyond what the patent describes.

"Tested malignantly"? You're an idiot.
 
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why do truthers think there are only two possible culprits in 9-11?

the CIA..and the Jews.
 
So has mr investigator gone through every conspiracy cliche in this conspiracy burrito yet? The old conspiracy 2 step shuffle? Still hasn't bothered to use search yet I assume?

You see mr investigator, the way patents work is FIRST you get a patent, and THEN you build the product once you know it is safel protected (Except from China).
 
9/11-investigator said:
Are you really suggesting that you think it is possible that in one month time a remote control system was designed, tested and filed for patent?
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If you read the application, you will realize that they have neither designed, built, nor tested any such thing.

What they are doing is trying to patent the general idea of a remote-controlled anti-hijacking system. And yes, that could be done in a month, because the only skill required is a sufficiently vague use of language.

I mean, watch this:

The apparatus 200 includes a processor 202, such as a microprocessor, personal computer, workstation, or other processing machine, coupled to a storage 204. In the present example, the storage 204 includes a fast-access storage 206, as well as nonvolatile storage 208. The fast-access storage 206 may comprise random access memory ("RAM"), and may be used to store the programming instructions executed by the processor 202. The nonvolatile storage 208 may comprise, for example, battery backup RAM, EEPROM, one or more magnetic data storage disks such as a "hard drive," a tape drive, or any other suitable storage device. The apparatus 200 also includes an input/output 210, such as a line, bus, cable, electromagnetic link, or other means for the processor 202 to exchange data with other hardware external to the apparatus 200.

Despite the specific foregoing description, ordinarily skilled artisans (having the benefit of this disclosure) will recognize that the apparatus discussed above may be implemented in a machine of different construction, without departing from the scope of the invention. As a specific example, one of the components 206, 208 may be eliminated; furthermore, the storage 204, 206, and/or 208 may be provided on-board the processor 202, or even provided externally to the apparatus 200.​

In English, this translates as:

If we built this thing, which we're not going to, we would definitely use some sort of computer. Anyone who actually builds one of these things and uses a computer in any way is stealing our idea and must pay us royalties! We thought of it first!​

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Do you have any evidence that anyone has ever actually designed, built, and tested one of these things?

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On the "to do list" in your OP you missed the bit where they had to install and test this stuff on four planes without anyone noticing.
 
Dr Adequate said:
We do not, of course know his precise role in Israeli intelligence, but given the fact that he was a mathematician with a PhD in computer science, you can pretty much guess that they didn't recruit him to turn him into a trained killer.
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For what it's worth, I know a Ph.D. EE who was ex-Delta Force (and is Jewish to boot). I believe the progression from special forces sigint/crypto to computer science is not uncommon.

Having said that, Dr. Lewin's presence on the aircraft would seem to be an example of Logan's Law. In other words, the mysterious Jewish They have put fake Arabs on board the aircraft already. Why on earth would they put yet another operative on board, such an obvious one? Why would he be there at all? If he was, why not have a fake identity?

The obvious answer is, unless They are complete morons, neither he nor the Mossad had anything to do with it. The conspiracist position assumes that he is, in fact, Mossad, that he was involved, presumably in some way other than being killed, and that we're all too stupid to "put the dots together" even though They are literally shoving them in our face. Not bloody likely.

Regarding remote control of aircraft, to the OP whom I will shortly be Ignoring for your shocking anti-semitism and lack of sense, see this thread. I am an expert in autonomous flight control. It is not possible to retrofit Global Hawk controls for a 757 or 767 for a wide variety of reasons. It is also not possible to retrofit any 757/767 control that the pilot, co-pilot, and maintainers would not detect before taking off.

The whole theory, as is virtually everything else ever to come from Christopher Bollyn, is preposterously stupid. I pity those who are so feebleminded or so blinded by racial hatred that they can't figure this out for themselves.
 
R.Mackey said:
For what it's worth, I know a Ph.D. EE who was ex-Delta Force (and is Jewish to boot). I believe the progression from special forces sigint/crypto to computer science is not uncommon.
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My point is not that he wasn't in Sayeret Matkal (he was) but that given that he was highly qualified in maths and computer science his role in S.M. probably involved more sitting at a desk looking at a computer screen than fighting barehanded against five guys armed with knives and winning, a feat for which four years of cryptology (for example) is not the ideal preparation.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Whereas all the evidence suggests that he was stabbed.

You, I take it, would prefer to rely on a memo released at 5:31 p.m. on 9/11, and written by someone who wasn't even completely sure that flight 93 was a 757.

No, you made that up.

We do not, of course know his precise role in Israeli intelligence, but given the fact that he was a mathematician with a PhD in computer science, you can pretty much guess that they didn't recruit him to turn him into a trained killer.

No passenger says they were armed exclusively with boxcutters. In fact, only one passenger (Barbara Olsen) refers to box cutters at all, when, according to her husband "the only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters".

Or, alternatively, how did an error get into a memo compiled mere hours after the event by someone who still hadn't acertained some of the most basic facts about 9/11?

That's much less of a puzzle.

By whom?
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how do you think that faa memo got out?
from link-
worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26676

"Danny was an officer in a secret unit of the Israeli army called 'sayeret matkal,'" said Yehuda Schwartzberg, a childhood friend from Jerusalem. "My guess is that he did something in some way to stand up against the hijackers, and was executed because of it."
The FAA memo's summary of the Flight 11 shooting incident, real or not, is the most detailed and specific -- not to mention shocking -- of the four hijacking summaries. It says Lewin, sitting in seat 9B, was "shot by passenger Satam al-Suqami," sitting behind him in seat 10B. (Both names match those on the manifest released by the airline.)

"One bullet was reported to have been fired," the memo states.
The 31-year-old Lewin, an Israeli citizen since a teen, was a captain in the Israel Defense Force and had extensive anti-terrorism training.
"Anyone who knows Danny knows that it was not his nature to go down without a fight," Schwartzberg said. "Maybe this (memo) shows that he died a hero."
 
R.Mackey said:
Having said that, Dr. Lewin's presence on the aircraft would seem to be an example of Logan's Law.
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Daniel Lewin retired from Sayeret Matkal in 1996. But one doesn't have to think to hard to figure out why the co-founder of Akamai which has offices in Boston and Los Angeles was on a flight from Boston to Los Angeles. Any idiot truther that trys to claim Daniel Lewin on flight 11 has anything to do with Mossad or Israel is an anti-semitic waste of oxygen.
 
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I just wasted the last thirty minutes reading this thread.

Call me idealistic, but I was so hoping he'd actually address Gumboots, Hokulele's, and other's points... but nada.

Someone let me know if he ever answers any of the questions put to him, please; so far I have yet to see a legitimate response to the (mostly) polite questions put to him by the skeptics here.
 
Senenmut said:
how do you think that faa memo got out?
from link-
worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26676

"Danny was an officer in a secret unit of the Israeli army called 'sayeret matkal,'" said Yehuda Schwartzberg, a childhood friend from Jerusalem. "My guess is that he did something in some way to stand up against the hijackers, and was executed because of it."
The FAA memo's summary of the Flight 11 shooting incident, real or not, is the most detailed and specific -- not to mention shocking -- of the four hijacking summaries. It says Lewin, sitting in seat 9B, was "shot by passenger Satam al-Suqami," sitting behind him in seat 10B. (Both names match those on the manifest released by the airline.)

"One bullet was reported to have been fired," the memo states.
The 31-year-old Lewin, an Israeli citizen since a teen, was a captain in the Israel Defense Force and had extensive anti-terrorism training.
"Anyone who knows Danny knows that it was not his nature to go down without a fight," Schwartzberg said. "Maybe this (memo) shows that he died a hero."
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Would you like to respond to any of the points I made, or would you rather copy and paste without a single thought passing through your head?

Here's a quick rundown of why you're wrong.

* The claims of a shot are contradicted by all the other evidence.

* The claims of a shot are not based on any evidence, since both Madeline Sweeney and Betty Ong speak of people being stabbed, but don't mention anyone getting shot, and they were the only people in the passengers or crew who managed to phone out. How else do we know what happened on flight 11? Did the author of the FAA memo have psychic powers?

* The memo was hastily written a bare few hours after the hijackings.

* The situation at that point was so confused that the author wasn't sure what sort of plane flight 93 was.

* The FAA, based on the evidence, ultimately determined that he was stabbed.

* One mistake in one memo does not magically make reality go away.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
Are you really suggesting that you think it is possible that in one month time a remote control system was designed, tested and filed for patent?

It obviously was already around (and tested I might add malignantly), see Global Hawk.
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defaultdotxbe said:
and things dont have to be tested to get a patent, they barely have to be designed, filing for a patent is almost a joke
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Speaking as someone who works in the Patent field, I would dispute the word "joke", but not too strongly.

I did a search for patents on remote-controlled planes and other anti-terrorist patent applications filed in the year after 9/11, and there were quite a few. You see this with lots of big public events - people start to think, "How could we have prevented that/made it better/made money off it?", and they start filing patent applications. Most of them never go anywhere.
 
R.Mackey said:
For what it's worth, I know a Ph.D. EE who was ex-Delta Force (and is Jewish to boot). I believe the progression from special forces sigint/crypto to computer science is not uncommon.

Having said that, Dr. Lewin's presence on the aircraft would seem to be an example of Logan's Law. In other words, the mysterious Jewish They have put fake Arabs on board the aircraft already. Why on earth would they put yet another operative on board, such an obvious one? Why would he be there at all? If he was, why not have a fake identity?

The obvious answer is, unless They are complete morons, neither he nor the Mossad had anything to do with it. The conspiracist position assumes that he is, in fact, Mossad, that he was involved, presumably in some way other than being killed, and that we're all too stupid to "put the dots together" even though They are literally shoving them in our face. Not bloody likely.

Regarding remote control of aircraft, to the OP whom I will shortly be Ignoring for your shocking anti-semitism and lack of sense, see this thread. I am an expert in autonomous flight control. It is not possible to retrofit Global Hawk controls for a 757 or 767 for a wide variety of reasons. It is also not possible to retrofit any 757/767 control that the pilot, co-pilot, and maintainers would not detect before taking off.

The whole theory, as is virtually everything else ever to come from Christopher Bollyn, is preposterously stupid. I pity those who are so feebleminded or so blinded by racial hatred that they can't figure this out for themselves.
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You mean you can't get the 767 fly by wire update kit? That must be a real bummer for the conspiracy theorists.
 
9/11-investigator said:
You're being boorish again, gunboot. And we do not like that. Clean your act up otherwise you'll never get a girlfriend.

And you are completely missing the point: it is not about finding people who missed a flight and got flight93 as a second choice, it is about finding people who missed a flight and got flight93 as a second choice and made a phone call.

Try to let that sink in.
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I don't see the problem.

Unless you are somehow trying to argue that the person in question wasn't there?
 
I'm gonna go ahead and jump in here with my two bits.

Now, I don't know that much about the GlobalHawk remote operating system, but I assume it uses RF for its transmission of command orders and telemetry data. I also know from 6 years as an electronic warfare technician that RF has a limited range - this will be affected by frequency and atmosphere to some extent - but it is subject to degradation at any sort of distance. Therefore, I'm going to assume that this a satellite-downlinked control scheme. (just Wiki-ed it. This is correct.)

Now - where were these planes remote-controlled from? They would have had to have access to the encrypted satellite, and have a pretty sizeable operation complete with four different operator stations for each one of the planes.

If these planes were remote-controlled - where did they do it from? It's easy to just dismiss it away as being NORAD or Ft. Huachuca or some other controlled access place, but there are other employees in those SCIFs. People with a conscience, who are sworn to defend this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You'd better believe if I saw this happening, I would have blown the lid off of it.

So here's the problem I see with your whole argument, 9-11Investigator. This ain't a Journey album and you can't have it "Any Way You Want It." Terrorists flew the planes at the direction of the Mossad. Nobody flew the planes, they were remotely piloted into the towers. No planes hit the towers and Pentagon. At some point, you have to pick a ball and run with it, and you haven't been exactly clear about the specific mechanics of the attack itself. Gumboot has, and you haven't bothered to address his specific points.

But as I see it, here's the wobbly Ace of Spades at the very foundation of your upside-down house of cards theory.

Even though it has been downplayed by certain CIA officials who were no doubt engaged in high-level backside covering following the dismal intel failure that was 9-11 - There are very strong indications that the Mossad warned the U.S. multiple times of an impending operation against a "large scale target."

So please tell me. Why oh why...would the Mossad - who in your theory is able to engineer the entire 9-11 plot - warn the U.S. in advance of what was going to happen?

I await.
 
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