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The poster has "issues" with Jews, methinks?.
How 9/11 was done
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The poster has "issues" with Jews, methinks?.
Dr Adequate
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Some facts about Bingham:
Mark Bingham, 31, was also supposed to have flown to San Francisco last Monday. But he hadn't recovered sufficiently from the 30th birthday celebration of his roommate in Manhattan, so he decided to wait until Tuesday morning.
He overslept a 6 a.m. alarm and just made his flight when his friend Matt Hall of Denville, N.J., rushed through traffic to get him there.
Hall remembered the 6-foot-5 Bingham running to the terminal. The former rugby star at the University of California at Berkeley was lugging his old team canvas bag, emblazoned with his name and number. Flying on a companion pass from his aunt, a flight attendant, Bingham was the last to board.
Driving to work, Hall got a call from Bingham to say he had made the flight and was sitting in seat 4D in first class.
"Hey, it's me, I'm just calling to say hi, thanks for driving to get me there," Bingham told his friend, adding that he was enjoying a glass of orange juice. "OK, take care, I'll talk to you soon," he said.
He overslept a 6 a.m. alarm and just made his flight when his friend Matt Hall of Denville, N.J., rushed through traffic to get him there.
Hall remembered the 6-foot-5 Bingham running to the terminal. The former rugby star at the University of California at Berkeley was lugging his old team canvas bag, emblazoned with his name and number. Flying on a companion pass from his aunt, a flight attendant, Bingham was the last to board.
Driving to work, Hall got a call from Bingham to say he had made the flight and was sitting in seat 4D in first class.
"Hey, it's me, I'm just calling to say hi, thanks for driving to get me there," Bingham told his friend, adding that he was enjoying a glass of orange juice. "OK, take care, I'll talk to you soon," he said.
So, learning at the last minute that Bingham was on the flight, the Evil Jews then instantly managed to put together fake phone calls that fooled his mother and his boyfriend.
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Incidentally, on the surname thing, here's Hall reminiscing about him:
The two met on America Online in June, and after several dates they spent a week together in early September at the Southern Decadence festival in New Orleans. A shy guy who says he "never made the first move," Hall was amazed with the confidence Mark exuded. "He took me by the hand in front of the Phoenix bar and said, 'Let's go meet people,' " Hall says. "Then he started going up to people and saying, 'Hi, I'm Mark Bingham from California. This is Matt from New Jersey.' "
That's also an odd situation in which to use one's surname.
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You're not paying attention are you? Senenmut just wrote post 185, stating that ICTS did passenger screening.
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personal attack edited.
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Attack the argument and not the arguer.
Oh my, another Obama voter.
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Hokulele
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Huntleigh USA did not handle checkpoint security for flight 11.
Do you know which company did?
(Hint, read the 9/11 Commission Report.)
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9/11-investigator, why did you choose this nickname which is, apparently, a lie?
You're just taking some weak points of the "official" (aka "the real") version, ou just spouting lies in order to totally refute the "official" version and decrete that 9/11 was an inside job.
By the way, we don't blame *all* muslims. We overall blame that *some angry guys* (19 to be precise) killed 3,000 people "in the name of Islam", which is rather a pretext to kill *innocent* people. Blaming Israel/the jews/the Zionists, that are people who don't tend to have a "suicidal" mentality, with poor evidences is just disgusting. I'm not a jew, but every time I read a conspiracy theory which contains the words "zionists", "Mossad", "Israel", my anger rises.
So, why would you manage to do in a thread something that every troofer failed to do for 7 years? What would you become if it was proven that 9/11 was effectively an "inside job"?
You're just taking some weak points of the "official" (aka "the real") version, ou just spouting lies in order to totally refute the "official" version and decrete that 9/11 was an inside job.
By the way, we don't blame *all* muslims. We overall blame that *some angry guys* (19 to be precise) killed 3,000 people "in the name of Islam", which is rather a pretext to kill *innocent* people. Blaming Israel/the jews/the Zionists, that are people who don't tend to have a "suicidal" mentality, with poor evidences is just disgusting. I'm not a jew, but every time I read a conspiracy theory which contains the words "zionists", "Mossad", "Israel", my anger rises.
So, why would you manage to do in a thread something that every troofer failed to do for 7 years? What would you become if it was proven that 9/11 was effectively an "inside job"?
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Well it must not have worked very well, it has been over 7 years, still no troofer concentration camps, and the incumbent party is leaving office in just over 2 months. What kind of police state are we running here?
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http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/atta.html
Father Mohamed Atta asked where his son is: "Ask the Mossad".
Sure. Time to convert. Do Kabbala course with Madonna.
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OH MAN! I just saw an image in Grand Theft Auto!!!!!Well it must not have worked very well, it has been over 7 years, still no troofer concentration camps, and the incumbent party is leaving office in just over 2 months. What kind of police state are we running here?
Obama IS SO GOING TO round up the truthers and imprison them in the FEMA camps!!!
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Gee, the mass murderer's father claims his son was framed by the Jews?
So your sources are an alcoholic Holocaust Denier, Atta's Father, and DRG?
With friends like that, you don't need enemies!
Did you somehow miss the interview with Father Atta, the part where he said he refused to answer anymore questions unless the interviewers were to pay him $10,000, in which the money would go to the Palestine fund? Of course you did. After all you missed all the facts regarding 9/11 and even live footage of planes flying into buildings.
And his dig about Obama.....
Shocking that a jew hater would not like blacks either!.
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First, 9/11 Investigator: Let me say "Good on you!" for actually having the guts to post a narrative of what you think happened that day. Most truthers refuse to do so. They know if they do, they will have to explain it, and answer questions raises and explain how evidence fits into it. This seldom works out so they don't make claims. They just sit on the fringes sulking and occasionally trying to antagonize people by playing stupid games with trivialities. Or else they argue from almost incomprehensible levels of ignorance (of physics, reality, the evidence, etc).
So good job for actually posting a story. I only hope that you are willing to stick it out to the end, and answer the challenges put to you, and honestly assess your hypothesis in light of the evidence that is known (which may agree or disagree at certain points), the evidence it requires (especially that which is glaringly absent), and the requirements it would need to actually be workable.
Ignoring everything else for the moment, I'd like you to explain why you think the above scenario is possible?
That is, the ability to wire remote controls to Boeing 767 (and 757 if your theory extends to Shanksville and the Pentagon) aircraft that allow on individual (or organization) to take complete control of the aircraft.
Furthermore, how were these remote controls installed in such a way that they could assume full control of the aircraft and yet prevent the pilots from seeing/detecting them beforehand, and find/overriding them after.
(Actually, this has been answered before on this forum. Use the search feature. R. Mackey did a good job of explaining why a remote control system with the capabilities necessitated by your hypothesis is impossible on those aircraft.)
In addition, I would like to know how those in control were able to fly the planes remotely with the precision needed to hit the towers (and the Pentagon and Shanksville, if your theory extends that far). Did they have line-of-sight? Did they have information from the instruments? Did they have a camera in/on the aircraft to allow them to see where it was and what it was doing? Was everything pre-programmed and run off of GPS? Or was there some other method?
Add to that the fact that you claim explosives were pre-wired in the towers. How did the perpetrators know that the aircraft would not damage the explosives or their detonation devices? Did they have impact proof explosives, or did they guide the plane into the towers with unparalleled accuracy (just the right attitude, bank, and direction) to hit a pre-set dead zone) and avoid damage to the explosives that way?
These are questions directly relevant to your hypothesis. Indeed, they follow from it. If you cannot explain them, then your hypothesis is in error, and needs revision.
I look forward to your answers.
So good job for actually posting a story. I only hope that you are willing to stick it out to the end, and answer the challenges put to you, and honestly assess your hypothesis in light of the evidence that is known (which may agree or disagree at certain points), the evidence it requires (especially that which is glaringly absent), and the requirements it would need to actually be workable.
Ignoring everything else for the moment, I'd like you to explain why you think the above scenario is possible?
That is, the ability to wire remote controls to Boeing 767 (and 757 if your theory extends to Shanksville and the Pentagon) aircraft that allow on individual (or organization) to take complete control of the aircraft.
Furthermore, how were these remote controls installed in such a way that they could assume full control of the aircraft and yet prevent the pilots from seeing/detecting them beforehand, and find/overriding them after.
(Actually, this has been answered before on this forum. Use the search feature. R. Mackey did a good job of explaining why a remote control system with the capabilities necessitated by your hypothesis is impossible on those aircraft.)
In addition, I would like to know how those in control were able to fly the planes remotely with the precision needed to hit the towers (and the Pentagon and Shanksville, if your theory extends that far). Did they have line-of-sight? Did they have information from the instruments? Did they have a camera in/on the aircraft to allow them to see where it was and what it was doing? Was everything pre-programmed and run off of GPS? Or was there some other method?
Add to that the fact that you claim explosives were pre-wired in the towers. How did the perpetrators know that the aircraft would not damage the explosives or their detonation devices? Did they have impact proof explosives, or did they guide the plane into the towers with unparalleled accuracy (just the right attitude, bank, and direction) to hit a pre-set dead zone) and avoid damage to the explosives that way?
These are questions directly relevant to your hypothesis. Indeed, they follow from it. If you cannot explain them, then your hypothesis is in error, and needs revision.
I look forward to your answers.
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And how would he know?
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In your conspiracy theory, of course, Atta's father managed to overlook the fact that for the last two years of his alleged "life", his alleged "son" was in fact being impersonated by a Jewish agent. His accusations, and indeed yours, would look so much more convincing if he'd noticed this and mentioned it to someone.
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ok, i just asked the mossad, they said his son crashed a plane at high speed into the north tower of the world trade center
case closed.
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Yes I read that post. The information is incorrect. Can I assume you do not even understand how airport security works?
The claim, made by the people you're so eager to quote, is that Huntleigh USA managed security at Boston Logan International Airport and Newark International Airport. This is false, and I've already given you a clue as to why.
You seem incapable of joining the dots, so let me spell it out for you.
Logan International Airport is owned by Massport (Massachusetts Port Authority) and Massport manages security at the airport.
Newark International Airport is owned by the PANYNJ (Port Authority of New York and New Jersey) and security at the airport is managed by the PANYNJ.
See how it works? Owners manage security at their airports. The companies you're referring to are contractors to individual airlines and they service only those airlines that have contracted them at the discretion of the owner of the airport.
I've already pointed you to a CNN article in which it was announced that Massport had evicted a passenger screening company from their airports for security breaches.
Starting to get the picture now? Your sources are making false claims about a subject they don't know anything about. Don't be stupid enough to make the same mistake. Learn how security at airports actually functions.
At least I have the measure of you now. Consider this conversation ended.
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Whereas all the evidence suggests that he was stabbed.
You, I take it, would prefer to rely on a memo released at 5:31 p.m. on 9/11, and written by someone who wasn't even completely sure that flight 93 was a 757.
No, you made that up.
We do not, of course know his precise role in Israeli intelligence, but given the fact that he was a mathematician with a PhD in computer science, you can pretty much guess that they didn't recruit him to turn him into a trained killer.
No passenger says they were armed exclusively with boxcutters. In fact, only one passenger (Barbara Olsen) refers to box cutters at all, when, according to her husband "the only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters".
Or, alternatively, how did an error get into a memo compiled mere hours after the event by someone who still hadn't acertained some of the most basic facts about 9/11?
That's much less of a puzzle.
By whom?
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X, thanks for the words of moral encouragement, much appreciated.
Read the paragraph "Dov Zakheim, remote control and the Pentagon" to see what I have on the subject.
The entire story is based on frustration with the official account, I just wanted to see how far I could get with an alternative hypothesis.
Remote control was 'in the air' so to speak in 2001.
Here is a US-patent, filed one month after 9/11:
US-patent 6,641,087
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/6641087
Summary: Anti-hijacking system operable in emergencies to deactivate on-board flight controls and remotely pilot aircraft utilizing autopilot.
This document...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/AutopilotSystemsMonaghan.pdf
... is a peer-reviewed study about the possibility of 757/767 having had remote controlled systems anno 9/11.
Conclusion: Increasing the plausibility of precision automated control of the two aircraft striking the WTC, is
the fact that each aircraft struck precisely the only sections within each WTC tower reportedly
upgraded with thermal protection materials, suggesting a clandestine relationship between the
visually spectacular aircraft attacks upon the WTC and activity pre-September 11, 2001 within
each WTC aircraft impact region, initiating complete structural failure within these regions not
generated by the aircraft attacks themselves.
One smoking gun obviously is Dov Zakheim. He is co-author of the central PNAC-document, with the new Pearl Harbor reference. Document completed 1 year before 9/11. At the time Zakheim had been CEO of SPC for 4 years, a company that produced amongst others specialized remote control systems of airplanes (up to 8 at a time!). It is very likely that Zakheim must have been aware which type of aircraft had remote control capability. In april 2001 we witnessed the first unmanned flight from Edwards Airbase to Australia.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/uav-01d.html
"It was in the air" so to speak.
The suspicion is of course that Dov Zakheim came to an luminous idea when this new Pearl Harbor idea was discussed during these meetings with his mainly zionist PNAC-pals. The idea was to find an excuse to invade the ME. This would be an implementation of the ideas as formulated in the Clean Break document (Israel benefactor), PNAC (US-empire and global supremacy) and the oil-motive; Cheney was at the time well aware of the impending peak-oil crisis, of which we have witnessed the first dark clouds earlier this summer.
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Hokulele
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Please stop using the "new Pearl Harbor" phrasing until you respond to the posts by Dr Adequate and me that demonstrate why you are wrong in using it.