Obama is a Communist? Please debunk...

[gdnp]

Your paranoia and fear mongering is similair to that exhiibited by some folks during FDR's time. Those folks couldn't prove their claims of communist either. Of course as seen in the Joe McCarthy's "Red Scare Era" proving someone's a communist isn't neccessary if you're good at fear mongering. Thankfully you're no Joe McCarthy.

Although if I recall correctly he recently used as evidence that someone (Frank Marshall, maybe) had been charged by the Unamerican Activities Committee, which comes comes about as close to McCarthyism as you can without just making stuff up yourself. He certainly believes in guilt by association.

 

[mhaze]

Although if I recall correctly he recently used as evidence that someone (Frank Marshall, maybe) had been charged by the Unamerican Activities Committee, which comes comes about as close to McCarthyism as you can without just making stuff up yourself. He certainly believes in guilt by association.

Venona Project.

chuckle chuckle ...

 

[BeAChooser]

Originally Posted by BeAChooser
Debunked by who? Bill Ayers? ... snip ...

Yes, that will do.

ROTFLOL! Priceless.

Quote:
1. Regrets. ... snip...

The problem is that's a statement he wrote and published in 2008 ... when his relationship with Obama became an issue ... when he and Obama were doing everything possible to distance themselves and minimize what Ayers was/is. Therefore, can we trust it as accurate?

So here we have Ayers specifically stating that he never stated "we did not do enough" refers to bombings.

If the NY Times article is correct then his statement "I feel we didn't do enough" was made immediately following a statement that "I don't regret setting bombs". Note that Ayers doesn't deny making the two statements. So if one did follow the other, one wonders why you wouldn't think the two statements are related?
The Times article also quotes him saying, when asked if he'd do it all again, ''I don't want to discount the possibility.'' That seems to imply that he hasn't renounced the use of bombs either.

Here's a letter Ayers claimed he wrote the NY Times shortly after the NY Times article was published in 2001. According to the following on his website, it was "found" five years later (notice it was posted to Ayers website in 2006).

http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006...-years-later/?referer=sphere_related_content/

In it, while he denies telling the interviewer that he had "no regrets for a love of explosives", he does not deny saying "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Nor does he deny the ''I don't want to discount the possibility" statement.

Instead, he claims "I told her that in light of the indiscriminate murder of millions of Vietnamese, we showed remarkable restraint, and that while we tried to sound a piercing alarm in those years, in fact we didn’t do enough to stop the war." Maybe he said that too. But that doesn't rule out the other statements being said, the order it is claimed they were said, or the possibility that he felt they didn't do enough to stop the war ... using bombs.

And while his statement that "There is a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance" was in reference to bombing Vietnam from the safety of airplanes, if you think about it, its' a statement he could equally apply to the eloquence of his group bombing US buildings from a safe distance and planning to kill hundreds at a military dance while presumably the bombers were at a safe distance too ... dancing gleefully.

As I said, Ayers' letter was only "found" and published on Ayers' website in September of 2006. That is likely after Obama had already decided to run for the President. David Geffen says that he started pressuring Obama to run for the President in 2004. The Washington Post was discussing the indications that Obama would run back in May of 2006 (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2006/05/obama_hires_two_prominent_cons.html ). He did in fact formally announce his run in January of 2007. It's certain he knew he would run before that formal announcement because long before that he was doing all the things someone running for President would do.

That being the case, isn't it likely that Obama discussed the idea of running with Ayers ... a friend with whom he'd worked together for many years (one example being the 5 years they were co-chairs of a 100+ million dollar education project that accomplished absolutely nothing). With a friend who he admits he communicated with to discuss ideas. With a friend who happens to agree with many aspects of his proposed agenda. If they did talk, one wonders if Ayers and he knew that they'd have a problem if Ayers didn't clean up his image to some degree. Perhaps that's the reason the letter was "found" just about this time. And given that the NY Times would be all for Obama running, I doubt they'd have trouble letting a little lie like that pass. Note that all the references I could find on the internet all link back to that Ayers' claim he wrote the letter. No other source confirms that such a letter actually did appear in the paper. The NY Times also hasn't retracted what the original article said about the content of the interview. So call me skeptical. But even he did publish that letter when he claims he did, it still was not a denial of what the NY Times article said he said about not regretting the setting of bombs or feeling they should have done more, immediately after that statement.

Do you have someone who knows better what Ayers means than Ayers himself?

ROTFLOL! Priceless.

don't you think it is dishonest to say that "he never renounced his terrorist activities during the Vietnam War and now says he didn't do enough. Bombing innocent people, that is"

No. Ayers has not denied saying when asked if he'd do it all again that ''I don't want to discount the possibility".

Oh, BTW, regarding your claim of "bombing innocent people". How many innocent people did Ayers kill? How many did he injure?

The WUO killed at least one policemen and injured many others during their war on the US. His current wife was involved in that ... so at the very least he countenances it. It's just luck that when the nail bomb Ayers' girlfriend at the time was building exploded, the only ones killed were her and two other WUO members. And no matter how you spin it, gndp, that nail bomb (and the others they found in the rubble) were being built with the clear intent of killing hundreds of innocent people. And we only have Ayers' word that he wasn't involved in that. The same Ayers' who now claims his then girlfriend, Oughton, deliberately set it off to keep it from being used for that purpose. And Ayers said recently that he doesn't regret "ANYTHING" he did back then to stop the war ... that's exactly the word he used. So call me skeptical regarding the reformation of "small c" Ayers.

You have a quote and source for this claim?
BAC, post 38, this thread, 4th paragraph, 1st line

Ah ... I see I misread your statement the first time. Yes, it's true that anti-Obama people like me say Obama fanatics (fair is fair) say Ayers is reformed. You are a prime example we're right.

none of the bombs placed by the Weathermen killed anyone (except those who were making them, who could hardly be called "innocent")

Not true. Bernadette Dohrn murdered a police officer in the bombing of a San Francisco police station, as well as injured a number of other policemen. According the AIM (http://www.aim.org/aim-column/tribune-covers-for-obamas-terrorist-friends/ ) Larry Grathwohl, a former member of the Weatherman Underground testified under oath before a Senate Subcommittee in 1974 that Ayers told him that Dorhn had to plan, develop and carry out the bombing. Here are some quotes from Cliff Kincaid's article:

Ayers told Grathwohl that the bomb was placed on a window ledge and he described the bomb that was used to the extent of saying what kind of shrapnel was used in it.

Ayers is quoted as saying, "but it's a shame when someone like Bernardine Dohrn has to make all the plans, make the bomb, and then place it herself. She should have to do only the planning."

Grathwohl includes this conversation with Ayers in his 1976 book, Bringing Down America: An FBI Informer with the Weathermen. The park police station bombing in San Francisco was "a success," Ayers is quoted as saying, "but it's a shame when someone like Bernardine Dohrn has to make all the plans, make the bomb, and then place it herself. She should have to do only the planning."

Grathwohl reveals that Ayers himself knew how to make bombs and didn't care about people being killed. At one point, he says, Ayers displayed a diagram of a bomb, with dynamite and a fuse. The plan was to bomb a police station but an objection was raised that it would also destroy a nearby restaurant. "We'll blow out the Red Barn restaurant," Grathwohl said. "Maybe even kill a few innocent customers - and most of them are black."

"We can't protect all the innocent people in the world," Ayers replied. "Some will get killed. Some of us will get killed. We have to accept that fact."

Looks like intent to kill, or countenancing of intent to kill, to me. And Ayers doesn't deny Dohrn was involved in the nail bomb plot as well. She was there when the bomb went off ACCIDENTLY. Ayers and Dohrn only escaped prosecution because of government misconduct in collecting evidence.

why should we believe any claim you make is worth the pixels it is displayed with?

Perhaps because unlike you, I can supply sources and logic that don't rely on the word of an unrepentant terrorist.

 

[BeAChooser]

What kind of shape was this country in when Bush took over?

 

[BeAChooser]

Although if I recall correctly he recently used as evidence that someone (Frank Marshall, maybe) had been charged by the Unamerican Activities Committee

No, gdnp. I did not identify that someone as Frank Marshall. Try to get your facts right before you make sweeping statements.

 

[dudalb]

If Obama is a Communist he is a piss poor one, having a Capitalist like Warren Buffet as a economic advisor.

 

[fuelair]

If Obama is a Communist he is a piss poor one, having a Capitalist like Warren Buffet as a economic advisor.

Warren's not a Red?????

 

[A'isha]

Again, I find it remarkable that when Ayers says (and admits to saying) "I don't regret setting bombs", people like BAC totally and fully believe him, and when he says (and admits to saying) "I feel we didn't do enough", people like BAC totally and fully believe him.

But when Ayers says "I didn't say those two things as part of the same coherent expression of a single thought", suddenly he's a dirty, filthy, untrustworthy terroristic liar.

 

[ProbeX]

Attack the argument, not the arguer

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Gaspode

Sorry to you (mod) and sorry to you (BAC). The ad hominem attack wasn't necessary or helpful.

 

[gdnp]

No, gdnp. I did not identify that someone as Frank Marshall. Try to get your facts right before you make sweeping statements.

I made no sweeping statement. I made a specific statement. I recall you recently claiming as evidence that someone was a communist that they had be accused by the un-American activities committee. I do now recall who it was. given your penchant for bringing up Davis, I thought it might be him.

Unfortunately, I do not have the time to sift through all the that you post to figure out who it really was. So fill us in, or don't. It makes no difference to me. My point stands: you think an accusation by McCarthy's committee is citable evidence of guilt.

 

[gdnp]

ROTFLOL! Priceless.



The problem is that's a statement he wrote and published in 2008 ... when his relationship with Obama became an issue ... when he and Obama were doing everything possible to distance themselves and minimize what Ayers was/is. Therefore, can we trust it as accurate?

It still makes your statement that Ayers "now says he didn't do enough. Bombing innocent people, that is" patently false. Ayers does not say that now. Ayers never said "We didn't bomb enough innocent people". And even if he had, he currently--as in NOW--specifically repudiates this interpretation. Your statement is thus a lie, and you know it.

The Times article also quotes him saying, when asked if he'd do it all again, ''I don't want to discount the possibility.'' That seems to imply that he hasn't renounced the use of bombs either.

You may recall that your accusation was not that Ayers had never repudiated making bombs, but that he had not done enough bombing of INNOCENT PEOPLE.

And while his statement that "There is a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance" was in reference to bombing Vietnam from the safety of airplanes, if you think about it, its' a statement he could equally apply to the eloquence of his group bombing US buildings from a safe distance and planning to kill hundreds at a military dance while presumably the bombers were at a safe distance too ... dancing gleefully.

Just because you can't find a quote that Ayers made that supports your lie does not mean you are allowed to make them up yourself. Sorry.

That being the case, isn't it likely that Obama discussed the idea of running with Ayers ... a friend with whom he'd worked together for many years (one example being the 5 years they were co-chairs of a 100+ million dollar education project that accomplished absolutely nothing). With a friend who he admits he communicated with to discuss ideas. With a friend who happens to agree with many aspects of his proposed agenda. If they did talk, one wonders if Ayers and he knew that they'd have a problem if Ayers didn't clean up his image to some degree. Perhaps that's the reason the letter was "found" just about this time. And given that the NY Times would be all for Obama running, I doubt they'd have trouble letting a little lie like that pass. Note that all the references I could find on the internet all link back to that Ayers' claim he wrote the letter.

Once again, just because you have no information to support your argument does not mean you get to make it up yourself. sorry.

And no matter how you spin it, gndp, that nail bomb (and the others they found in the rubble) were being built with the clear intent of killing hundreds of innocent people.

Evidence? I'm a skeptic, remember. Just because the bombs were capable of killing hundreds of people does not prove that they were intended for that purpose. Since none of the other bombs that they placed killed hundreds of people, it would imply a significant change in tactics.

Ah ... I see I misread your statement the first time. Yes, it's true that anti-Obama people like me say Obama fanatics (fair is fair) say Ayers is reformed. You are a prime example we're right.

Actually, I don't really know if Ayers is reformed or not. All I can say is that to the best of my knowledge he hasn't been charged in a bombing in the last 30 years or so. He seems to have devoted himself to education during that time, having become a full professor at a major university and having written several books (none with Obama). What he does in his spare time and how he would respond to future events is unknown to me. But unlike you, when I don't know something I don't just make up a story that supports my biases. And as I have said before, since he is not now and based on the evidence never has been a close friend of Obama, it doesn't really matter.

Tell me BAC, what do friends do? Do you have reports that the Obamas and the Ayers exchanged gifts? That they regularly went out to dinner together, or to the movies? Took a vacation together? Does anyone recall seeing Obama and Ayers together in a bar? Any evidence that they ever discussed anything at all at the 4 board meetings that they attended a year other than educational policy?

 

[Tricky]

...and while you're at it, can you point to any items in Obama's platform, position papers, or even his actions that can clearly be identified as resulting from Ayers' influence? If not, then it sounds suspiciously like paranoia.

 

[fuelair]

...and while you're at it, can you point to any items in Obama's platform, position papers, or even his actions that can clearly be identified as resulting from Ayers' influence? If not, then it sounds suspiciously like paranoia.

No, no, no - you are completely missing the point. Obama's cell is deep undercover - obviously he is carefully hiding his true goals under a modest social platform that is obviously just the old liberal stuff. Now that he's in, he can unleash his true Marxist-Leninist soul!! Or not

 

[gdnp]

No, no, no - you are completely missing the point. Obama's cell is deep undercover - obviously he is carefully hiding his true goals under a modest social platform that is obviously just the old liberal stuff. Now that he's in, he can unleash his true Marxist-Leninist soul!! Or not

I'm predicting he first pardons all the terrorists in GITMO so he'll have room to house all the former Bush administration officials he has declared enemy combatants. Remember his support for the Patriot act? Well, payback time's a comin'.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Keep in mind that Obama is considering some of Clinton's former advisors and Cabinet members...Even consulting one of Carters (Paul Volker). There doesn't appear to be a "communistic" approach to the economy or the country. Perhaps you would like more of the past 4 years?

 

[BeAChooser]

I recall you recently claiming as evidence that someone was a communist that they had be accused by the un-American activities committee.

Actually, I didn't precisely say that. I said Quentin Young was "once accused by the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities of being a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA)". Now maybe he was or wasn't a communist. But one thing is for sure, he hung out with a lot of people who were or still are communists.

I do not have the time to sift through all the that you post to figure out who it really was.

Actually, gndp, all you had to do was go back and more carefully read my original post (#38) on this thread.

My point stands: you think an accusation by McCarthy's committee is citable evidence of guilt.

Well let's look more closely at the case of Quentin Young.

Since 1983, he's been a member of the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). It was formed in 1982. In 1992 that organization awarded him their highest honor, the Debs Award. And what type of people receive this award?

Well, at the 1989 Debs Award Dinner, (http://www.chicagodsa.org/d1989/index.html ), Timuel Black presented an award to DSA member Milton Cohen. According to http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng33.html , Milton Cohen was an organizer for the Communist Party on the South Side of Chicago starting in the early 1940s. He left the Communist Party in the 1960s to later help found the DSA. Note that the featured speaker at the award dinner for Cohen was none other than Quentin Young.

Timuel Black, who presented that award, is currently (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cach...ml+Timuel+black+ccds&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=nz ) on the advisory board of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS) which is an offshoot of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The CCDS Web site refers to the Communist Manifesto as a "stirring document" that is relevant today and the group is currently one of the largest Marxist organizations in the US. Note that along side him on the board of CCDS is former communist Angela Davis. Angela Davis was also a founding board member of MDS (an Obama supporting organization which I've mentioned on other threads to you), along with Ayers' wife, communist Bernadine Dohrn.

As an aside, note that Timuel Black has also known Barack Obama for more than a decade. In 1996, he tried to mediate the dispute between Alice Palmer and Obama, when Obama decided to go ahead and run for her seat in the Illinois Senate even though she'd changed her mind and wanted to keep it instead.

Another DSA member was communist Kurt Stand, who was convicted of conspiracy to commit espionage for communist East Germany. He is still in jail. DSA member Bill Mosley runs the “Friends of Kurt Stand” organization.

The 2008 DSA recipient of the Debs Award was Les Orear, founder of the Illinois Labor History Society, who told the audience that he tried to live by the Marxist saying, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Les was identified by witnesses as someone who attended Communist party meetings during the House Un-American Activities Subcommittee hearings. And by the way, the 2008 dinner booklet apparently had sympathetic references to DSA founder Carl Shier, whose name was spelled as "Karl Marx Shier" by his communist parents in honor of you know who.

So I think it is clear that the separation between DSA (to which Young has long belonged) and communism isn't all that defined. And neither is Obama's separation from DSA which has supported him his entire career. One way he returned that support was to deliver a speech in 1998 at a memorial service for Saul Mendelson, who was a major figure in the Chicago DSA. Mendelson was a member of various communist groups in the 1930s and 1940s. Of course.

Now as to the specific allegations made by the House Committee On Un-American Activities against Quentin Young, Young was accused of serving with the "Medical Committee for Human Rights", an organization that provided treatment to protesters during the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention riots. Asked if he was a member of CPUSA during the hearings, he answered "irrelevant" ... which in my opinion is a non-denial. Later, the lawyer for the committee told him they had received information he had been a member of the Communist Party ... "specifically, a member of the doctors' club of the party on the North Side of Chicago, a club that was called the Bethune Club." Again, Young refused to comment. He did eventually deny he was on the executive council of the "Medical Committee for Human Rights" but didn't deny being a member.

And guess who was behind the 1968 Chicago riots? The National Mobilization to End the War in Vietnam (MOBE). According to the FBI communists were playing a "dominant" role in that group. The work of MOBE was praised by Leonid Brezhnev and Aleksei Kosygin. Major communist figures from North Vietnam attended MOBE meetings overseas. And in 1969, when MOBE was reorganized into the NEW MOBE, that process was controlled by CPUSA member Sidney Peck.

Again, it is clear that Young, if not a communist has certainly associated himself with a large number of communists and people who know communists over the years. And there's more.

Quentin Young was a participant in a 1969 Washington, D.C. conference seeking to abolish the House Committee on Un-American Activities/House Internal Security Committee. Featured speakers at the event included Frank Wilkinson, a CPUSA member and SDS member Mike Klonsky. Mike Klonsky, who was director of the Small Schools Workshop funded by Ayers and Obama (in fact, he and Obama appear to have shared an office for several years). In addition to saying that his parents were members of CPUSA, Klonksy said during a talk in 2007 that "I was born into the Communist Party". He was allowed a blog on Obama Presidential campaign website ... until it drew conservative attention. The wife of Klonsky's brother "wrote an article praising the work of former CPUSA member Dorothy Healey, calling her a role model.

Who else did Young hang out with? Carol Moseley Braun. Moseley has clear communist ties. In N1979 she was a co-sponsor of the founding conference of the US Peace Council, which I've already indicated had strong ties to communists. In 1987 she helped sponsor, along with CPUSA leaders Angela Davis and Herbert Aptheker, a benefit for Chicago Communist Party members Claude Lightfoot and Jack Kling.

There's more. An FBI report on the Weather Underground described Young as having met with Dohrn immediately after she returned from Cuba where she met with Communist Vietnamese officials. Bernadine Dohrn traveled to Castro's Cuba with one of the early Venceremos Brigades (http://www.venceremosbrigade.org/ ). Several of Quentin Young's children have also been Brigade members.

In short, gdnp, there are literally dozens of communists with ties to Young, so it's hard not to believe he shares their views. You know that old saying ... "birds of a feather ..."? And you might ask yourself what Quentin Young was doing at a gathering with Palmer, Ayers and Dohrn ... all of whom openly admire communism ... when they announced Obama's entry into politics? It surely wasn't because he was the family doctor of Obama and Ayers ... although he was.

Tell you what, gdnp. This is slightly off-topic, but if you won't agree that Obama is a communist, will you at least agree he's a socialist? This is something else that Obama *fanatics* denied throughout the campaign. You see, I could add the names of hundreds of hard core socialists who directly knew or who were 1 degree of freedom from people who knew Obama. Again, "birds of a feather".

 

[BeAChooser]

It still makes your statement that Ayers "now says he didn't do enough. Bombing innocent people, that is" patently false. Ayers does not say that now.

I never said he did. I didn't put that in quotes. I did put in quotes what he actually said in my posts. You should have been able to understand that the last part of what you quoted by me was a sarcastic aside. You are being overly picky ... perhaps because that's the only real way you can defend the likes of William Ayers. Are you an admirer, gdnp? Hint: that last question was a sarcastic aside, too.

You may recall that your accusation was not that Ayers had never repudiated making bombs, but that he had not done enough bombing of INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Well then let's just say Ayer's statement that he wouldn't discount doing it all again implies he hasn't renounced the building of nail bombs intended to kill hundreds of innocent people at dances.

Once again, just because you have no information to support your argument does not mean you get to make it up yourself.

gndp, I invite you to link us to ANY source besides Ayers own website that says they actually found the letter Ayers claims he wrote to NY Times in 2001.

Just because the bombs were capable of killing hundreds of people does not prove that they were intended for that purpose.

Wow! It's stunning the length that some Obama supporters will go to protect Obama. You deny what literally everyone else has acknowledged as fact. Not even Ayers denies that the nail bombs were intended for a military dance or that they would have killed innocent people. In fact, he was quoted by National Review saying in his book "Fugitive Days" that the bomb was meant for that purpose and would have done serious damage, "tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people too." Are your blinders really that thick, gdnp?

He seems to have devoted himself to education during that time

I beg to differ. You make him sound so wonderful. In my view, he's an attempted murderer who married a murderer who has devoted himself to brainwashing kids (and teachers) into following a communist ideology and hating capitalism. Perhaps he's just sowing the seeds of the next generations of bombers. And by the way, this isn't the first time he's entered the education system. He originally met Diana Oughton, the girlfriend who accidently set off that nail bomb, at the Children's Community School (CCS) where she worked as a teacher.

having written several books (none with Obama).

He did, however, coauthor two books with the woman who Obama picked as his top education advisor during the campaign. And the verdict may still be out as to whether he helped Obama write his "Dreams" book: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79391

Do you have reports that the Obamas and the Ayers exchanged gifts?

I'm more concerned about the exchange of ideas than gifts, and they admit to exchanging those. I'll just take the word of Mayor Daley who knew them both personally and said they were friends of each other. And so did Quentin Young.

As far as dinner is concerned, do you have any confirmation they didn't dine together occasionally? Or maybe the Obamas are a little put off by Dohrn's sense of dinner humor. Recall her *joking* about the Mansons: “Dig it; first they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach. Wild!”

And by the way, if having dinner together is your criteria for friendship, would you agree that Rashid Khalidi is a friend of Obama? Since it's acknowledged that he was a frequent diner at the Obama home? You see, Khalidi is a PLO terrorist sympathizer.

And I wonder who Obama and Michelle's dinner guests and sleepover guests will be at the Whitehouse. That should be very illuminating.

 

[Tricky]

What is really scary is that Obama spent more than two years as a member of a group that has the express purpose of overthrowing many of the laws of this great country of ours. These are fearsome men and women who have lied and cheated their way to power. One was convicted of soliciting sex from a policeman. Another of soliciting "favors" from the construction industry. Several have had illicit affairs. This cabal of scurrilous scoundrels meets at least twice a year at a place they call "The Hill", where they put much effort into acquiring wealth for their own little power bases.

Obama spent much time and many thousands of dollars trying to become a member of this ruthless clique, and finally, his evil plan came to fruition.

That's right. Obama is a Congressman. Be very afraid.

 

[Uzzy]

Obama's a communist? Hmm. Has anyone checked on the status of Lenin's brain recently? Maybe it got implanted into Obama's body.

 

[gdnp]

Actually, I didn't precisely say that. I said Quentin Young was "once accused by the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities of being a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA)". Now maybe he was or wasn't a communist. But one thing is for sure, he hung out with a lot of people who were or still are communists.

Guilt by association. Gotcha.

Actually, gndp, all you had to do was go back and more carefully read my original post (#38) on this thread.

Since I did not recall whether your comment had been made in this thread or another thread, that is of little help. It's like telling someone who has searched for an hour for their car keys that all they had to do was look under the bed.

Well let's look more closely at the case of Quentin Young.

Let's not, unless you can explain to us first why this has any relevance to the topic of the thread, which is whether Obama is a communist.