Man, Alec Jones Is Not Even Hiding It..

[1337m4n]

However it's wrong to equate Zionism and Jews as a freely exchangeable format.

We're not the ones doing that. It's Alex Jones and his ilk who are using "Zionist" interchangeably for "Jew". All we've ever done is point out this fact.

Think about it. When has any of Jones's "Zionist" comments been about ACTUAL Zionism? I'd be willing to bet Jones doesn't even know what the word means. It's his codeword for "Jew", so that he can spew hate without being called out on it. So that whenever he spews hate idiots will defend him saying "OMG HES NOT ATTACKING JEWS HES ATTACKING ZIONISTS LOLOLOL!!1!!!!!1111".

Fortunately, Jones's lies are easy to see through. Lying is not something he is particularly good at.

It is Truthers, not JREF, who accuse every Jewish person who holds political office of being a "Zionist".

It is Truthers, not JREF, who use Jewish names as a means of "identifying Zionists".

It is Truthers, not JREF, who "equate Zionism and Jews as a freely exchangeable format".

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

This is a really good point,

You have to understand here, at this forum, there is a real distaste for truthers and the people here will try to paint them as "stupid" or as "evil" as they possibly can.

Yes I understand that. It's like a clash of civilizations. "You're either with us or with the twoofers"

Criticizing Zionism has nothing to do with the Jewish population. Just like criticizing Neo-cons has nothing to do with the American or christian population.

I thought Neocons were mainly Zionists?

But I get your point

 

[MaGZ]

His Anti Semitism, that is. The term Zionist has pretty much replaced NWO over at infowars.
Not that it was not painfully obvious before, but now Jones is making no attempts to hide his belief that The Jews Are Behind Everything.
And on Wenesday Ron Paul was on the show sounding nuttier then usual.
Nice going guys.

He has his Jew sidekick Bremes with him now, so he can get away with what he is saying.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

We're not the ones doing that. It's Alex Jones and his ilk who are using "Zionist" interchangeably for "Jew". All we've ever done is point out this fact.

Think about it. When has any of Jones's "Zionist" comments been about ACTUAL Zionism? I'd be willing to bet Jones doesn't even know what the word means. It's his codeword for "Jew", so that he can spew hate without being called out on it. So that whenever he spews hate idiots will defend him saying "OMG HES NOT ATTACKING JEWS HES ATTACKING ZIONISTS LOLOLOL!!1!!!!!1111".

Fortunately, Jones's lies are easy to see through. Lying is not something he is particularly good at.

It is Truthers, not JREF, who accuse every Jewish person who holds political office of being a "Zionist".

It is Truthers, not JREF, who use Jewish names as a means of "identifying Zionists".

It is Truthers, not JREF, who "equate Zionism and Jews as a freely exchangeable format".

Rubbish!

Most people I know who you would call "twoofers" have nothing against Jews whatsoever. They do criticise the Zionist movement.

All this 'codeword' BS is childish.

I'll condemn anyone for criticizing anyone because their race, sexuality or gender. But will speak up when political criticism is being labelled racism in order to stifle it.

I've never heard Alex Jones spew anything anti-semitical. But if you have evidence of him doing so then please present it and I'll be the first condemn him for it

 

[MaGZ]

Still sometimes it is right. It was sad what happend to the jews during WW2 but what about all the victims of Joseph Stalin? Oh yeah right Stalin was with the good guys and Hitler was evil. Are jews more important than karelians? chechens? Stalin is the real evil. People say that Joseph Stalin killed 50 million people. It is anyoing how zionists always talk about holocaust this and holocaust that while Putin can have a victory day parade on every May 9th in Moscow to honour the war criminal Soviet soldiers. There might be something true what Jones is saying. For example many jews keep lying and blaming that Finland was with Hitler on 1939 when that is not true. Soviet Union attacked first, stole Karelia and drove out over 400 000 karelians. My grandfather lost him home in Karelia. Russia neved has never said that the winter war was wrong. Still jews have some special right about the holocaust. Bush always defending Putin. I don"t hate jews but karelians are also humans. Russia stole Karelia and that is a fact. What makes jews more important than those 400 000 karelians?

Because the Jews control Hollywood. You will never see a movie about how Eastern Europeans suffered at the hands of the Jewish Soviet Secret Police.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Because the Jews control Hollywood. You will never see a movie about how Eastern Europeans suffered at the hands of the Jewish Soviet Secret Police.

Is that because Jewish Immigrants set up the original major Hollywood studios though? I suppose it's only natural they are going to make movies about subject they are personally passionate about. Is that a bad thing?

 

[MaGZ]

Is that because Jewish Immigrants set up the original major Hollywood studios though? I suppose it's only natural they are going to make movies about subject they are personally passionate about. Is that a bad thing?

Hollywood is a Jewish propaganda mill, has been from its inception, but you knew that.

 

[Thunder]

I have started a thread in Forum Managemant to have MaGz suspended or Banned outright. He is clearly not hear to argue or debate, but just to piss off and insult Jews. Please check it out and comment.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I have started a thread in Forum Managemant to have MaGz suspended or Banned outright. He is clearly not hear to argue or debate, but just to piss off and insult Jews. Please check it out and comment.

I think that's a very very bad idea. Once you start going down that route you are joining the people in some countries who put people in prison for questioning the Holocaust and Freedom of Speech flushes down the toilet.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I think that's a very very bad idea. Once you start going down that route you are joining the people in some countries who put people in prison for questioning the Holocaust and Freedom of Speech flushes down the toilet.

Banning someone from a forum for violating the rules to which they agreed is not a violation of freedom of speech. Banning someone from a forum for no reason at all except spite, is not a violation of freedom of speech.

However if AJ had his way, we would be a police state and people would not be free to say what they want.

 

[dudalb]

I have started a thread in Forum Managemant to have MaGz suspended or Banned outright. He is clearly not hear to argue or debate, but just to piss off and insult Jews. Please check it out and comment.

We had a fuss over MaGZ recently, and the ruling of the Mods was that unless it was directed specifically against an individual , Anti Semitism and Racism were not violations of the JREF rules.
I do not agree with this, but I doubt the Mods are going to change their minds so soon. Starting the fuss up again will be useless.

 

[dudalb]

I think that's a very very bad idea. Once you start going down that route you are joining the people in some countries who put people in prison for questioning the Holocaust and Freedom of Speech flushes down the toilet.

Nonsense. JREF is a privately owned website, and Randi and the mods have the right to set up any rules they see fit, and enforce them any way they see fit.
It is not a public square, it is a private home, and the owner of a private home has the right to tell someone to get the hell out at any time for any reason.
BTW,when it comes to banning someone for diagreeing with them, the Truther Sites are among the worst I have seen. But as long as they pay for the sites, the owners have a right to control content on the site.

 

[dudalb]

Hollywood is a Jewish propaganda mill, has been from its inception, but you knew that.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I think that's a very very bad idea. Once you start going down that route you are joining the people in some countries who put people in prison for questioning the Holocaust and Freedom of Speech flushes down the toilet.

Wow... What an asinine statement. You're seriously suggesting that if the JREF forums ban someone for antisemitism, that gets the ball rolling to allow jailing of anti-Semitic individuals in the U.S.?

You, sir, greatly overestimate the influence of this forum. The U.S. government will not be using the moderation of these forums as legal precedent.

ETA: Actually, upon second reading, it appears that you're attempting to equate the banning of anti-Semitic individuals from these forums with the jailing of anti-Semitic individuals in Germany. It's still an asinine statement.

 

[Brainster]

I haven't heard what Alex Jones has had to say recently so I won't comment on whether he is being anti-semitic or not. infowars isn't a place I frequent

However it's wrong to equate Zionism and Jews as a freely exchangeable format. And criticism of Zionism as a movement in itself isn't anti-semitic. Also remember there are Jews that are against Zionism.

Given that Zionism was a late 19th and early 20th century movement for a Jewish state in Palestine, I do have to question what the "anti-Zionists" are all about. It's like saying you oppose manifest destiny.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Given that Zionism was a late 19th and early 20th century movement for a Jewish state in Palestine, I do have to question what the "anti-Zionists" are all about. It's like saying you oppose manifest destiny.

Are you serious?

Zionism as a political movement still exists you know. It's one of the most powerful lobbies. AIPAC used to be called the American Zionist Committee for Public Affairs.

People who are Anti-Zionist are those who are not happy with the way this movement has so much power to promote the Pro-Israel lobby at the expense of other issues.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Zionism as a political movement still exists you know. It's one of the most powerful lobbies.

Are you aware that modern zionism was a response to antisemitism?

People who are Anti-Zionist are those who are not happy with the way this movement has so much power to promote the Pro-Israel lobby at the expense of other issues.

See, you're problem is that you're taking other truthers' claims of "anti-zionism, not anti-semitism" at face value. I'm sure you know quite well that many in the so-called Truth Movement simply use that as a semantic shield. I mean, since when does a powerful lobby group orchestrate and execute major, covert acts of international terrorism?

The "anti-zionists" you enjoy defending have quite plainly extended the scope of the phrase, but your arguments ignore that. That's a failure on your part, not ours.

 

[Thunder]

Are you serious?

People who are Anti-Zionist are those who are not happy with the way this movement has so much power to promote the Pro-Israel lobby at the expense of other issues.

are you suggesting that there are no anti-Zionists who are really motivated by hatred of Jews?

if you read the writings of many anti-Zionists, they often go into issues that have NOTHING to do with Zionism. Such as the Russian Revolution, the American Civil War, international banking, the death of Jesus. These are the pet subjects of anti-Semites.

Lets not forget that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion had NOTHING to do with Israel, Palestine, or Zionism.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

Fun fact: My ethnicity has over 15 million people and we aren't even known to the common person, or even most informed people.

Maybe your people should get off their asses.

Just saying.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Are you aware that modern zionism was a response to antisemitism?

Huh? it's a continuation of the original Zionism

See, you're problem is that you're taking other truthers' claims of "anti-zionism, not anti-semitism" at face value. I'm sure you know quite well that many in the so-called Truth Movement simply use that as a semantic shield. I mean, since when does a powerful lobby group orchestrate and execute major, covert acts of international terrorism?

The "anti-zionists" you enjoy defending have quite plainly extended the scope of the phrase, but your arguments ignore that. That's a failure on your part, not ours.[/QUOTE]

What on earth are you gibbering on about?

Most people I have come across aren't anti-semitic in the slightest, but they are concerned about Zionist Movement and it's lobby. Particularly the situation between Israel and the palestinians.

Most anti-Zionists aren't Anti-semitic dude. You need to stop believing that ADL rhetoric.

The BS of stifling criticism of Zionism by labelling it racist is getting real tired now. People are fed up with it.