Vision From Feeling

[Senex]

Hokulele:
I don't see the red flag. Whether a test shows that I appear to have ESP, or shows that it is something else like synesthesia, doesn't really change anything in my world.

That does matter to us. This is a skeptic organization. You are willing to state you can pass a test that will shake the scientific communtity up but won't make a differenc in your own world? Personally, I would love you to be able to do that. I would forever be able to state I was one of the first people to recognize you when you posted on the James Randi site. Unfortunately, I believe you will just be one of the many dozens of people who believed they have the powers you believe to have but can't do more than write about them. I'm rooting for you yet I really, really, doubt you can tell the difference between vials of different chemistry that look alike. There is no scientific reason you can. Please prove me wrong with a vengeance.

 

[Zep]

Very good ideas. All very simple to test. Zep, yours reminds me of the Emily Rosa's Therapeutic Touch test.

Precisely!

 

[Jackalgirl]

Jackalgirl:
To falsify the hypothesis that this would be ESP I would have to make observations that I am fully convinced of but that turn out to be not consistent with facts. I am not worried about either outcome of the test, like I've said, I will continue to experience the same ability whether it is ESP or synesthesia. I have not been using my observations in any ways that could have consequences if my observations were incorrect. I only make comments on the health of people I know very well, and I treat the information I obtain with the ability responsibly. I am glad to be open to either outcome of the test so that I won't be disappointed if I fail the test, and that is a relief.

I am glad to have science-minded people here, thank you. I can't wait to post the preliminary test protocol and discuss it with you all.

Understand that my main concern is that it is very common for people to come here and say, "well, I don't care what the outcome of the test is, it won't change my beliefs about my ability."

The important thing is this: 1) something is happening. 2) It could be ESP. 3) It could be something totally mundane (though it may still be uncommon). 4) you are okay with both options 2 and 3.

And, most importantly, that you are not dispensing medical advice when you are not qualified to do so, especially if you have have not tested your abilities. There are a lot of possibilities that need to be ruled out here, such as confirmation bias and cold/hot reading. If it turns out that your abilities work along those lines, it is especially important that you stop telling people stuff, because you're planting information in their minds that might not be accurate, and even if they go to a doctor and the doctor says "nope, nothing there", they may doubt the doctor's assessment if they have an especial trust in you.

Now, mind you, if you run some controlled tests -- controlling for pre-knowledge and confirmation bias and all of the other mundane things that could be doing on -- and you discover that yes, you actually do demonstrably have this ability, that's another matter. But for Ed's sake, please do not diagnose people's medical conditions until you have demonstrated your ability in a properly-controlled fashion. Please.

 

[Zep]

Zep:
My ability grows from everyday use and experience of it. Most always when I read people there is never a screen between us. I might be able to develop the ability to include screens, but I already have heaps of experience and capability without screens and feel like I would have to start all over. It seems that I need to see the person at least partially in order to reach and download their vibrational information.

This confirms quite clearly that your ability relies heavily on you being able to see the patients. That alone will need to be ruled out - it is a serious "confounding factor" in any test protocol you are developing. (You do know what a "confounding factor" is in scientific testing? If not, please study it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confounding_factor)

To explain, you do say above in many different ways that you can "sense" these things, you can "download them", etc. But nowhere do you say that you actually have to look with your eyes. So if your ability was indeed there, you should be able to do it without using your eyes to see. That is, you could do it quite literally blindfolded. Or, as I mentioned in my protocol above, with the patient behind a screen. This screen could be as thin as a simple sheet of newspaper, e.g. a long sheet of butchers paper, as long as it was lightproof. Thus you could still be close to the patient so distance would be no impediment, you just could not see them.

Of course, if it is necessary to see the patient, you want to seriously consider if all your input is really coming via your "senses". You need to read up on the "Clever Hans" effect in that case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans

Now you need to go back and see why Emily Rosa's tests were so significant. Incidentally, Emily was only 11 when she designed and ran these tests, so even a child could understand the phenomena. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa

 

[Hokulele]

Understand that my main concern is that it is very common for people to come here and say, "well, I don't care what the outcome of the test is, it won't change my beliefs about my ability."

The important thing is this: 1) something is happening. 2) It could be ESP. 3) It could be something totally mundane (though it may still be uncommon). 4) you are okay with both options 2 and 3.

And, most importantly, that you are not dispensing medical advice when you are not qualified to do so, especially if you have have not tested your abilities. There are a lot of possibilities that need to be ruled out here, such as confirmation bias and cold/hot reading. If it turns out that your abilities work along those lines, it is especially important that you stop telling people stuff, because you're planting information in their minds that might not be accurate, and even if they go to a doctor and the doctor says "nope, nothing there", they may doubt the doctor's assessment if they have an especial trust in you.

Now, mind you, if you run some controlled tests -- controlling for pre-knowledge and confirmation bias and all of the other mundane things that could be doing on -- and you discover that yes, you actually do demonstrably have this ability, that's another matter. But for Ed's sake, please do not diagnose people's medical conditions until you have demonstrated your ability in a properly-controlled fashion. Please.

Enthusiastically seconded. That was my concern as well.

 

[JWideman]

I haven't been recording my hits and misses, yet I seriously can not recall a single time when I would have been incorrect. I almost expect mistakes sometimes, especially when what I observe contradicts with my expectations otherwise or surprises me, yet there have been no mistakes yet.

I have had many confirmed hits. I would estimate it as at least a hundred, but I couldn't possibly recall to tell you how many. I can not recall a single miss. I wouldn't take it personally if I made mistakes in my observations, it's just that there haven't been any.

It is a good idea to start keeping notes on my observations. In fact, I will begin recording these on my webpage, along with whether they were shown to be accurate or inaccurate in the cases where I was able to check them.

How am I observing certain things and attributing them to medical conditions, that aren't medical conditions? I have made many observations that are clearly defined as medical information.

I'm not just sometimes right. I am always right. And it can't be based on coincidence. I am picking up the information from somewhere, but the question is how, and from where, and is this a paranormal thing or perfectly ordinary?

See, there's the thing - without recording your hits and misses, it is very easy to only remember the hits. But that's not even all of it. There's also, like with that Russian girl that was mentioned in this thread, subjective judgement of what a hit is. The lactobacillus thing is a very good example of this. You say you saw something in your friend, and he said he was taking it. Then you saw it in cereal and saw the label. This was confirmation for you. Here's the thing: why didn't you also see it in, well, EVERYTHING ELSE too? It's in yogurt, beer, pickles, etc. Pretty much everyone has it in their stomach naturally. And for that matter, should you not see all the other intestinal flora everyone has?
Maybe you observe things, but you've managed to convince yourself that what you're observing is something it is very unlikely to be. And the red flag, as mentioned, is that you can't be convinced otherwise.

 

[SezMe]

I used to be Investigations Chair for the IIG. I have written to the head honcho there asking for verification of the claims made here regarding the IIG. I have also asked that some current member of the IIG post in this thread to give us a status report.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos:
I want to test my ability under testing conditions that are similar if not identical to the conditions under which I have experienced the ability, and to do anything that deviates too much from that would not be testing what my claim actually is. On the contrary I have made plenty of observations with the ability and under conditions that can be applicable to a test of scientific standard, and I believe that it will be possible to design a test that closely resembles how the ability works in real life situations. And according to what the preliminary test protocol is between me and the IIG, it seems that this will be the case.

Senex:
I am sorry if the way I feel about my ability is not considered valid. I have had this ability for many years now and it will remain and be what it is no matter what label it gets. Not only do I write about my ability, I will have it tested, and once I do then we can talk about what the results were. Please have some patience, the test is on its way.

Vials with diluted chemicals is not among my most common everyday experiences with the ability. The main part of my claim is finding health information, and that is what I want to test it on. No matter what results I would have on chemical identification, the main part of my ability will still be medical information and that test is what mostly matters. I receive the other types of information less frequently and I would rather not have the main test on those.

Let's have the test results before we speculate too passionately about any of this.

Jackalgirl:
What I do know is that I perceive accurate information that others can't. In accordance with how I perceive the information I suspect to be sensing vibrational information which then translates into vision, feeling, sound, scent, taste. I can not claim to know what the ability is and can not believe that it is ESP or believe that it is not. No matter what the results of a test will be my beliefs about the ability will remain the same: I will still continue receiving the information, and being under the impression that I am reading vibrational information, but I would hopefully know what the true nature of the ability is.

The only health information I dispense to people is to my closest friends and family. It is along the lines of, "You ate something very sweet for breakfast today: pancakes.", "You've taken a bacterial supplement.", "You have damage to the esophageal valve of the stomach.", "You didn't sleep very well last night since I see dark areas in the electricity of your brain.", "Your arm feels numb.", "You really need to go to the bathroom.", "Your right shoulder hurts because you've pulled the muscle when the arm was thrown back.", "You feel confused or dizzy.", "Your knuckles feel tingly.", "Your right internal ear has lowered hearing and a constant noise."; typically pains and discomforts. Information that a person can check with themselves right away and does not need a doctor or hospital to confirm.

Very often I do sense serious health problems in strangers but I am unable to tell them about it. I am not licensed to diagnose health problems, so it is something I can not do to people. If I were a physician I would use my psychic observations as clues and be able to apply my medical knowledge to determine whether the information is useful or not at which it can be verified with the appropriate tests. I could never allow myself to base a decision purely on what I observed with my ability, just in case I'd be wrong, and also because of the principles that prohibit it. I will continue to use the information responsibly whether I pass the test or not.

Zep:
Even though my ability requires me to see the person we can not rule out a possible ESP. I obtain plenty of information that does not seem to be detectable visually or by other ordinary senses or even by ordinary synesthesia and I believe that a test can be designed that eliminates any thinkable clues that may enable a non-ESP ability to perform in this way.

When I see a person I see their head and face and most of them is covered with clothing. I sense the vibrational feeling of things from inside their body and can then turn to look away and the image is constructed in my mind. In the image I see the inside of their body, on many levels of magnification simultaneously, and with health problems highlighted. It may be that I need to see the person in order to locate the source of the information, and remember that I perceive things that are not visually detectable, plus I feel what a person is feeling and that can not be acchieved by vision. There are many observations that I can not imagine having clues that'd be detectable by ordinary senses, although I could be wrong and that is why I value our discussion and involving other persons in this test.

I do have to look at the person with my eyes. I could not do this with a blindfold nor have I ever claimed to.

Please speculate as to how I was able to detect Lactobacillus in a person's stomach. What were its possible external cues? How did I know about female cysts at their early stage before the person was diagnosed? How do I see a damaged esophageal valve of the stomach without prior knowledge about this condition? What are the external signs?

JWideman:
I will keep a record of my observations from now on and post them on my webpage. I will record what the observation was, when I made it, what the circumstances were, and whether it was accurate or inaccurate if checked against facts.

I saw the cereal first. I was walking by the cereal aisle and there was something highly unusual in a cereal box, brightly white and with a very strong vibrational aspect. I just had to stop, go back, and find out what on earth it was. So at that point I was already absolutely certain that there was something very unusual in that cereal box. I then read and found out that it was Lactobacillus and that made sense based on my observation.

When I saw my friend I described to him that there is a strange bacteria in his stomach. I said that it was very clear, I was absolutely certain that it was there and that it was very significant, I described it as being bright white and roundish with a very strong outer casing, that it was artificial and not normally occuring in humans in this way and that it was unusual for a bacteria since it was causing no harm. He then told me that he was taking Lactobacillus.

If there is Lactobacillus in yoghurt then this is normal for yoghurt and is not something I would react to and it would never catch my attention. The above two cases are cases that were highly unusual - to find such a thing in a cereal that otherwise feels nothing like that, and to see it so brightly in a person's stomach like that. I mainly react when something is out of the ordinary.

I do see the normal bacteria in the digestive system, yet again they are what I consider normal so I don't react to it. Their vibrational aspect blends in with the vibrational aspect of the intestines themselves and there is no dissonance. Dissonance comes when something is out of the ordinary and that is what I detect. Without dissonance I can still look and describe things, but need to work harder to find specific things that do not involve anything being wrong.

How did I observe things and convinced myself that they were something other than what I saw?

There is no red flag then. I am fully open to being convinced that I have ESP or that I do not have ESP. I am receiving this information, and the information is accurate. I just don't know what it is.

SezMe:
Nice to have you here. You can read about the progress on my application on the IIG webpage under their monthly updates. I can give you a current update on the progress: I contacted the IIG West in Hollywood over a year ago asking whether they could arrange a test of my paranormal ability. I sent them my suggested test protocol that I authored and it was discussed between me and the IIG and amongst themselves. They recently sent me a version of the test protocol that was mostly based on the one I sent them, and I've had to delay the process a bit further by sending the protocol back to them with some of my additional comments and questions. I expect that we will agree on a final test protocol soon and that I can have the test hopefully by the end of this year or early next year. Thank you for being here.

 

[Hokulele]

There is no red flag then. I am fully open to being convinced that I have ESP or that I do not have ESP. I am receiving this information, and the information is accurate. I just don't know what it is.

But are you open to being convinced that the information is not accurate?

JWideman's suggestion of the journal is an excellent one, but I would also recommend writing down your observations before you find out whether or not they are accurate. In other words, write down your observation, ask if it is correct or not, then write down the result. Do this for all of your observations, not just the ones you think are the "best".

 

[Jackalgirl]

Jackalgirl:
What I do know is that I perceive accurate information that others can't. In accordance with how I perceive the information I suspect to be sensing vibrational information which then translates into vision, feeling, sound, scent, taste. I can not claim to know what the ability is and can not believe that it is ESP or believe that it is not. No matter what the results of a test will be my beliefs about the ability will remain the same: I will still continue receiving the information, and being under the impression that I am reading vibrational information, but I would hopefully know what the true nature of the ability is.

The only health information I dispense to people is to my closest friends and family. It is along the lines of, "You ate something very sweet for breakfast today: pancakes.", "You've taken a bacterial supplement.", "You have damage to the esophageal valve of the stomach.", "You didn't sleep very well last night since I see dark areas in the electricity of your brain.", "Your arm feels numb.", "You really need to go to the bathroom.", "Your right shoulder hurts because you've pulled the muscle when the arm was thrown back.", "You feel confused or dizzy.", "Your knuckles feel tingly.", "Your right internal ear has lowered hearing and a constant noise."; typically pains and discomforts. Information that a person can check with themselves right away and does not need a doctor or hospital to confirm.

Very often I do sense serious health problems in strangers but I am unable to tell them about it. I am not licensed to diagnose health problems, so it is something I can not do to people. If I were a physician I would use my psychic observations as clues and be able to apply my medical knowledge to determine whether the information is useful or not at which it can be verified with the appropriate tests. I could never allow myself to base a decision purely on what I observed with my ability, just in case I'd be wrong, and also because of the principles that prohibit it. I will continue to use the information responsibly whether I pass the test or not.

Emphasis mine.

Right. Easily checked without a doctor. "You've got a problem, but you don't need to see a doctor."

And let me see if I understand this: no matter what the outcome of the test, you will believe that you have this ability. Right?

Why bother testing?

You are unethical and unscientific. I predict that eventually you will be dispensing medical advice because you will never really test yourself, afraid to discover that you are actually not all that special.

I will no longer participate in this thread. Good luck to your patients.

 

[SezMe]

SezMe:
Nice to have you here. You can read about the progress on my application on the IIG webpage under their monthly updates.

Here.

Depending on the schedule, I may go down to IIG (~100 miles) for the test. Depends on what else is on my plate.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Hokulele:
When ever I make an observation with this ability I am always curious to finding out whether it was true or not, especially when it concerns health information. I would have nothing to lose by finding out that the ability is simply some extraordinary way of processing information that was obtained by ordinary means. I do not use the ability to charge people money, I do not consider myself better than anyone else or special because of the ability, and I have not put myself in a situation where I would have anything to lose by not having a special ability at all.

I want to understand the ability for what it is, yet I will continue to experience it no matter what it turns out to be. Whether it is ESP or something quite normal I would not favor one over the other. The ability itself remains exactly the same. And even if I pass the test I will not take that as permission to use my ability in new, unethical or illegal ways such as in dispensing serious health information. I really have nothing to lose by not having an ESP ability. But since I might have ESP, I'd like to find out.

When possible, which is not often, I check my observation with the person. I try to do this in the proper way. Asking "How does your shoulder feel?" is better than "Is it true that your shoulder is hurting?", or simply asking "How are you feeling?" would let a person complain about a pain they are feeling. In most cases I expect that checking the observations against the facts is fairly simple. People are quite aware of how they are feeling and are good at describing their ailments.

I am very open to experiencing my first incorrect observation. Sometimes when an observation is highly unusual, very specific, and one that when I look at the person with my ordinary senses I say to myself that I just don't see it and it couldn't possible be there. At those times I can become a little nervous and expect to embarrass myself for mentioning something like that to the person, but even more compelled to find out. Yet, so far, always correct. Even in these very specific unusual cases.

Yes I will definitely write down all observations whether they turn out to be correct or incorrect.

Jackalgirl:
Don't assume things that I've never said. In the specific case of the esophageal valve, I told the person that I saw that his esophageal valve is damaged and doesn't close properly and that food keeps re-entering his esophagus, which he has to keep swallowing back down, and that this bothers him sometimes when he eats. This is highly specific information and involves symptoms that a person is aware of. He said that it was absolutely correct, that he was aware of it and that it had also been confirmed by a doctor. This, too, involves a condition that a person is aware of having.

I have never told a person not to see a doctor. In extreme cases I might tell a person to see a doctor, but I would never tell them not to see a doctor.

I will continue having the ability no matter what the outcome of the test is. The ability is not something I do, it is something that happens. It will not be switched off no matter what label it gets or what we find out is causing me to receive the information. I have no belief as to what the ability is, and that is why I am having the test is to try to find out whether it is ESP or not.

If I fail the test I will still receive information and will still believe that I receive information. What I refer to as "ability" is the receiving of information. The "ability" does not refer to ESP since I do not even know if it is ESP. If it were synesthesia, I would still call this the "ability" since I receive information.

I absolutely will bother testing in order to find out what the ability is. Having this test with the IIG is one of the things I look forward to the most right now.

I am absolutely not unethical. I have always used the information responsibly. And I am absolutely and definitely extremely scientific.

Your prediction that I will be dispensing medical information is nonsense. I will never do such a thing since medical diagnose is professionally done by a doctor who can verify all of their conclusions with objective tests. My ability leads to information that is in the same category as opinions, hunches, and intuition.

I have said many times over that I am absolutely not afraid to discover that I do not have an ESP ability. I think synesthesia is just as awesome as any ESP and no matter what the label for why I receive information is nothing changes in my world of things.

Sorry to lose you though, I've enjoyed talking to you. You've been a contribution to this discussion and I hope to see you back soon. The things that you seem upset about are things that I have never said or intended and I really don't mind if you stay.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Depending on the schedule, I may go down to IIG (~100 miles) for the test. Depends on what else is on my plate.

Yay I get to meet you.

 

[Hokulele]

Hokulele:
When ever I make an observation with this ability I am always curious to finding out whether it was true or not, especially when it concerns health information. I would have nothing to lose by finding out that the ability is simply some extraordinary way of processing information that was obtained by ordinary means. I do not use the ability to charge people money, I do not consider myself better than anyone else or special because of the ability, and I have not put myself in a situation where I would have anything to lose by not having a special ability at all.

That wasn't my question.

Are you open to being convinced that your information is not accurate?

Many of the observations you have posted here are vague enough to be considered post-dictions rather than predictions. "Something is different about that cereal" is extremely non-specific, and anything that made that cereal unique could have been considered a "hit". I predict (heh) that many of your other observations are equally vague and are being retrofitted when you are presented with further information.

Again, keep a journal and be as specific as possible. Write down exactly what people tell you after your prediction has been written down, and be very careful not to ask leading questions (such as "How is your shoulder?").

 

[Pixel42]

Please speculate as to how I was able to detect Lactobacillus in a person's stomach.

I'm sorry, but your claim to have done that does not stand up. You detected something in your friend's stomach, he told you he'd taken Lactobacillus, and you assumed (with very little justification) that that was what you'd detected. You then got a similar feeling from a box of cereal, noticed it had Lactobacillus in the list of ingredients, and (with even less justification) took that as confirmation of your assumption. When it was pointed out to you that lots of other products, and most human stomachs, contain Lactobacillus you did some post hoc rationalising about only noticing when it's unusual.

You haven't yet proved that you can detect Lactobacillus in a person's stomach, indeed you are currently a long way from proving it. You can prove it easily by doing a blind test where you get a bunch of people to take Lactobacillus or not at random and, just by looking at them, detect which is which. Only if and when you have successfully passed such a test will it be time to speculate about how you do it.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Systematic blinded tests on my ability will be done over this upcoming weekend. The test protocol used, the information to be found, as well as the results obtained will be posted here as soon as they become available.

I am a little confused now. You seemed to indicate in this post that the tests would be this weekend, but later posts have been much more vague about when a test may be happening. What did I miss?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Hokulele:
Yes I am open to becoming convinced that my information is inaccurate! In fact, in many cases I expect it to be, when the observations from my ability just don't seem right when I look at the person (with ordinary vision) or are ones that seem unusual and far-fetched! Yet so far always correct.

Let's just see what ailments will be present at the official test and what observations I make. The test should not allow me to make any vague statements or to fill in facts afterwards. Unless changes are made before the final approval of the protocol, the test with the IIG involves me looking at a person, one at a time, and having a diagnose form at hand. On the diagnose form is a list of twenty ailments and I select one out of those twenty which matches what my observations are with the ability. The person has stated as having one out of the ailments and as not having the other 19 of the ailments. There is no room for vagueness or for filling in on descriptions afterwards.

The observations that I have made and mentioned as examples were all done during everyday experiences, and I realize that none of them are evidence but they are all that I have at this point. I mentioned them not as official evidence of my ability but as examples of what compels me personally to have the test. I have not been able to arrange for a real test of this on my own since I wouldn't know how to find persons with health problems or how to arrange for a test on my own.

It is true that I would have taken anything that was highly unusual on the cereal box as being that which caught my attention since I was looking for the explanation. I did not specificly identify the cereal as having Lactobacillus since I had no prior reference to make that match. The interesting thing is that I detected that something was very odd with it, and I believe that is my point with the story. I am glad that we've cleared that out, I don't want to seem to be saying things that I'm not. Thanks.

Well, I still find it interesting that I did detect a highly unusual high amount of a bacteria that once he told me he was taking Lactobacillus I could match my observation with what I had seen and felt in the cereal. Of course none of this is proof of anything, since I could be lying even though I am not, but I am simply trying to describe what some of my most compelling observations have been.

I've just added a new page on my webpage http://www.visionfromfeeling.com/observations.html where I will record the specific observations and keep track of the score.

Pixel42:
What you say is absolutely true, thank you for pointing this out. I did not match what I detected with Lactobacillus at that time because I could not at first remember what I had felt in the cereal to use it as reference. I did detect a bright white, roundish bacteria, that I identified as being artificial (something that would not have been there naturally had the person not ingested it) and that it was unusual in that it was harmless to the body. He confirmed that he had ingested a bacteria that is bright white, roundish, artificially taken, and one that is unusual in that it is harmless to the body.

Hearing its name I then remembered that a bacteria by that name was in the cereal and confirmed with myself that they feel the same in both places, although that the stomach is a much warmer environment than is the cereal box. If it is wrong of me to remember that match afterwards I apologize, and I do realize that I should have explained this differently and clearer. You guys are really good at establishing the details of things. Thanks.

It is definitely not a post hoc thing. I have consistently stated that my ability works the best on health problems and other things where there is something wrong or unusual. If I see yoghurt all the time, and it contains Lactobacillus, that is how I learn that normal yoghurt feels. When I see cereal all my life and learn what it feels like, and then all of a sudden somebody comes up with the idea of putting Lactobacillus into cereal, that one is going to feel different and I detected it. Lactobacillus itself is not strange at all, but when it is in the strange places its vibrational information stands out.

I'd be very interested in taking a test on detecting this bacteria in the stomach, I will look into that. I'd just need to convince a bunch of people to perhaps have to take the pills.

Professor Yaffle:
I am planning on having tests this weekend that are easier to arrange. I have not forgotten. As for later posts, they are probably referring to the formal test with the IIG, the date of which has not yet been established. The formal test with the IIG will be on detecting health information, whereas for the sake of this forum I am compelled to arrange simpler tests on the other aspects of my ability that occur less frequently but that everybody insists I should test right away.

 

[Pup]

Pixel42:
What you say is absolutely true, thank you for pointing this out. I did not match what I detected with Lactobacillus at that time because I could not at first remember what I had felt in the cereal to use it as reference. I did detect a bright white, roundish bacteria, that I identified as being artificial (something that would not have been there naturally had the person not ingested it) and that it was unusual in that it was harmless to the body. He confirmed that he had ingested a bacteria that is bright white, roundish, artificially taken, and one that is unusual in that it is harmless to the body.

But lactobacillus is normal and natural in the stomach.

It seems that the idea of recognizing abnormal things is the weak point. If you see something, it's abnormal. If you don't see something, it's because it's normal. Yet there are situations where normal and abnormal can be blurred, such as the lactobacillus. If he'd taken the supplement and you hadn't noticed anything unusual, you could have said it was because that bacteria was normal for the human stomach.

 

[JWideman]

The observation you have on your website is very good. You made the observation first, then confirmed it after, and don't rule out the possibility that there could have been subconscious cues.
However, it is not enough to only record when you make an observation. You should also record when you fail to make an observation. Someone goes to the bathroom, and you didn't expect it, record it. Someone tells you they are sick, and you didn't know it, record it. If you can observe something in one case, it stands to reason you should be able to observe it in all cases.

 

[Ashles]

I am still curious why the health tests are considered the way to go when the other abilities would seem to lend themselves far more easily to clear cut results.

VfF it appears you are doing some testing this weekend. What are the details of these tests?