AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[Homeland Insurgency]

Yeah yeah. Black boxes are either destroyed, damaged, or disappear all together but things like passports come through in pristine condition and are easily found.

When does the suspension of disbelief end?

 

[dtugg]

Yeah yeah. Black boxes are either destroyed, damaged, or disappear all together but things like passports come through in pristine condition and are easily found.

When does the suspension of disbelief end?

Just because you have a huge bias and lack knowledge, does not mean that a strange anomaly proves inside job. What about that astronauts journal that was found after the space shuttle disaster? Does the fact that it was found intact prove an inside job?

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

Just because you have a huge bias and lack knowledge, does not mean that a strange anomaly proves inside job. What about that astronauts journal that was found after the space shuttle disaster? Does the fact that it was found intact prove an inside job?

Is that what you are supporting here? Strange anomaly? Congratulations.

 

[beachnut]

Yeah yeah. Black boxes are either destroyed, damaged, or disappear all together but things like passports come through in pristine condition and are easily found.

When does the suspension of disbelief end?

Your lack of expertise in aircraft accident investigation is showing.

You are the one to not believe or listen to due to your total ignorance on this topic. Why is woo on 9/11 your game? Do you know anything about 77 FDR so you can contribute to the thread?


Making your usual anti-intellectual post drive-by?

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

Do you know anything about 77 FDR so you can contribute to the thread?

Contribute or enable? I mean that is what you are looking for isn't it? Do you know what happened to 77 FDR or are you just guessing? Pretending? Hoping?

So sad.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Yeah yeah. Black boxes are either destroyed, damaged, or disappear all together but things like passports come through in pristine condition and are easily found.

When does the suspension of disbelief end?

You'd be shocked at all the weird things that survive plane crashes, tornadoes, hurricanes, fires, etc. when everything else is destroyed. Suggesting this phenomenon is an impossible scenario without even substantiating your claim is rather ignorant. Discussion for another thread however and there's more than enough discussion on this matter already. [/end derail]

 

[Homeland Insurgency]

You'd be shocked at all the weird things that survive plane crashes, tornadoes, hurricanes, fires, etc. when everything else is destroyed. Suggesting this phenomenon is an impossible scenario without even substantiating your claim is rather ignorant.

Yeah I would be shocked. But not you huh?

lol

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Yeah I would be shocked. But not you huh?

lol

We love you anyway, no matter how condescending and ignorant you are

 

[beachnut]

Contribute or enable? I mean that is what you are looking for isn't it? Do you know what happened to 77 FDR or are you just guessing? Pretending? Hoping?

So sad.

Yes; 77 FDR was found in the Pentagon. The FDR shows 77 on the true track heading it impacted the Pentagon. The FDR had 25 hours of flights from 77 on it, and came to rest with the passengers of Flight 77, proven by DNA.

You on the other hand are making the rounds spewing nothing. Zip, as in no evidence, no real ideas on this subject, no expertise, Nothing.



Yes, it is sad you have no clue and are not here to understand 9/11.

 

[jaydeehess]

Yeah yeah. Black boxes are either destroyed, damaged, or disappear all together but things like passports come through in pristine condition and are easily found.

When does the suspension of disbelief end?

Entire buildings were demolished and yet there was a lot of paper flying about the streets of Manhattan. You are argueing that the paper should have also been destroyed.

Your personal incredulity means nothing.
Neither does Turbofan's.

 

[jaydeehess]

I believe that the round structure just west of runway 19 is the VOR/DME site at National airport (I have worked on VOR's and DME's in the past)

and this is a line showing 1.5 NM from the DME to a location next to the Navy Annex that is 2600+ feet from the Pentagon. Even if the aircraft was going 740 feet per second along the entire 2600 feet it would take 3.5 seconds to traverse this distance.

The DME distance to the eastern end of the Annex along Columbia Pike is 1.6 NM
The DME distance to the first lamp post is closer to 1.3 NM
The DME distance to the impact at the Pentagon is 1.25 NM

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Is that what you are supporting here? Strange anomaly? Congratulations.

It's not an amonmaly, it's something that happens in every accident, explosion, disaster, etc. There has never been any destructive incident where some things remain and others are destroyed. So you somehow feel that for the first time in history either everything should be destroyed in a place crash, or nothing should be? That would be unheard of yet you seem to expect it. Why is that? Why is it strange to you that some things survive and others are destroyed? Why do you only find it strange in this case and not every other?

Do you claim conspiracy theory when a tornado strikes destroying homes and leaving other homes across the street perfectly in tact?

The irony of your claim is that not long after 9/11 there were other incidents of plane crashes where exactly the same thing happened. The plane would get destroyed, but papers and ID would be found. Yet you only claim it odd in the case of 9/11 and no other instances. Why again is that?

 

[bje]

It's not an amonmaly, it's something that happens in every accident, explosion, disaster, etc. There has never been any destructive incident where some things remain and others are destroyed. So you somehow feel that for the first time in history either everything should be destroyed in a place crash, or nothing should be? That would be unheard of yet you seem to expect it. Why is that? Why is it strange to you that some things survive and others are destroyed? Why do you only find it strange in this case and not every other?

Do you claim conspiracy theory when a tornado strikes destroying homes and leaving other homes across the street perfectly in tact?

The irony of your claim is that not long after 9/11 there were other incidents of plane crashes where exactly the same thing happened. The plane would get destroyed, but papers and ID would be found. Yet you only claim it odd in the case of 9/11 and no other instances. Why again is that?

Or, as Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

 

[twinstead]

I guess anomalies are only important when they threaten ones world view.

 

[Turbofan]

I believe that the round structure just west of runway 19 is the VOR/DME site at National airport (I have worked on VOR's and DME's in the past)
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and this is a line showing 1.5 NM from the DME to a location next to the Navy Annex that is 2600+ feet from the Pentagon. Even if the aircraft was going 740 feet per second along the entire 2600 feet it would take 3.5 seconds to traverse this distance.

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The DME distance to the eastern end of the Annex along Columbia Pike is 1.6 NM
The DME distance to the first lamp post is closer to 1.3 NM
The DME distance to the impact at the Pentagon is 1.25 NM

Don't forget, the aircraft traveled two more seconds at 532.8 MPH after the
final DME record which would place the plane next to the highway along the
alleged flight path. Too close to hit the light poles at the recorded ALT.

 

[bje]

Don't forget, the aircraft traveled two more seconds at 532.8 MPH after the
final DME record which would place the plane next to the highway along the
alleged flight path. Too close to hit the light poles at the recorded ALT.

Still no evidence of a flyover, Turbofan? According to Rob Balsamo's and Craig Ranke's "evidence" eyewitnesses should have seen, and the Pentagon parking lot security camera should have recorded, AA 77 fly over the Pentagon like this:

Just how do you explain the light poles were knocked down, Turbofan? And that no one saw a jet fly over the Pentagon?

 

[Turbofan]

Still no evidence of a Pentagon impact BJE?

There is enough evidence to suggest the official story isn't what your
government explained.

Those that make excuses against the independent investigations/investigators, rather
than question the official story cannot be considered thorough researchers.

Sorry but:

- He's a crackpot
- He's just a salesman
- That's not what you think it means
- Lloyd was confused
- etc., etc., etc.

Do not cut it.

Let me suggest that if there was/were witnesses to the cover-up, and flyover
that your media wouldn't broadcast it.

This is a case of popularity over logic imo.

Example:

Multiple NoC witnesses have come forward. Some people would rather
twist their stories and turn a blind eye than consider the testimony.

You have a large population fed a story via MSM and believe the government
account.

Now you get a new source of evidence and the masses stick together because
they have believed and lived that story for several years.

Remember one thing: Truthers don't make up evidence. We examine what
your government has put forward. We talk to people and question witnesses
that your MSM wont broadcast.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

My God, there's just no end to all the impact evidence. To claim there is none is like saying the sky isn't blue. And the notion that people who were there and saw the plane only think so because afterwards they watched the news? What kind of idiocy is this?

I guess this is why the crackpots at CIT won't take their conspiracy theories to a court of law or the press (well let's be honest, their story is too loony for any legit media outlet to accept and they can't get anyone to print it if they paid), or the authorities.

And yes truthers most certainly DO make up evidence. That's their forte. Thie last 40 pages of this thread attempting to claim that data cannot be corrupted on an FDR is a perfect example of truthers making up evidence.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

There is enough evidence to suggest the official story isn't what your
government explained.

Flight data discussion aside, the physical damage to the building itself was enough to determine that what hit the Pentagon was most certainly not a missile of any kind as you allude to.

Multiple NoC witnesses have come forward.

Have you figured out what percentage describe the plane hitting the pentagon turbo? Or do you rather omit those details?

 

[Turbofan]

Flight data discussion aside, the physical damage to the building itself was enough to determine that what hit the Pentagon was most certainly not a missile of any kind as you allude to.


Have you figured out what percentage describe the plane hitting the pentagon turbo? Or do you rather omit those details?

Let's see 90%? 100%? Does that make you happy?

Does that also explain the light poles getting knocked down? Are you guys
going to keep omitting all the pieces of the pie, or some of them to allow
your official story to work?

J.C., you need to learn the difference between corruption and erasure.
Sit tight because there is more to 'that' discussion apparently.