Merged Lloyd England: Eye of the Storm

[MarkyX]

In Canada, over 80% supported Obama as well. Similar polls taken show that
a majority believe the US Government had knowledge, or was involved in 9/11.

Thank you for confirming that you're trolling.

 

[CurtC]

I voted for Obama. I guess I must be a Truther now! OK, here goes...

Hey guys! Did you know that besides the Twin Towers, there was a third building that collapsed that day? It was not hit by any airplanes, but it collapsed into its own footprint at freefall speed!

How's that?

 

[nicepants]

What an ass kickin' McCain took last night. It's a pretty clear sign there are more of us than you think.

Shouldn't the truthers all have voted for McCain since Sarah Palin supports a new 9/11 investigation?

 

[Wolrab]

Where in heck did the flyover theory originate when there is absolutely no one claiming to have seen it happen? Why haven't the fools just stuck to their NOS nonsense and pretend they never mentioned a flyover? It certainly wouldn't be unprecedented to change their story midstream. JAQs!

 

[Bobert]

Awww, looks like I hit a nerve. It was an ass kicking to say the least.

Look at the districts like Florida, Ohio, Penn, etc. Record number of voters
and all. People hate bush and what he did through his term. CNN was calling
the election early.

In Canada, over 80% supported Obama as well. Similar polls taken show that
a majority believe the US Government had knowledge, or was involved in 9/11.

Sorry, I don't make up the results, I just post up the facts.

You live in Canada?
No offense but the CIT fools had to go to Canada to get their biggest troll poster?
BTW TF just like your flawed views of facts related to 9-11 so to are your views flawed when it comes to the election.
53% to 46% is not an ass kicking!
Is there ever a time when you will tell the truth?
Will you ever not lie and distort to make a point.
Look up sociopath.
I supported Obama BTW so does that mean I am not part of the NWO?
Obamas win was the worst thing that could have happened to your pathetic movement.

 

[Bobert]

Awww, looks like I hit a nerve. It was an ass kicking to say the least.

No it wasnt. Not even close. You cant even be honest enough to see this?

Look at the districts like Florida, Ohio, Penn, etc. Record number of voters
and all. People hate bush and what he did through his term. CNN was calling
the election early.

You must not be very familiar with election coverage here in the US because they seem to always call the winner early.
Yes lots of people may hate Bush, whats your point?

In Canada, over 80% supported Obama as well. Similar polls taken show that
a majority believe the US Government had knowledge, or was involved in 9/11.

Ok so 80% supported Obama....WHAT A SHOCK!
BTW do you have a link to that poll?

Sorry, I don't make up the results, I just post up the facts.

You are at the North Pole and facts are at the South Pole.

 

[nicepants]

How are those flight path calculations coming along, Turbo?

 

[Mangoose]

You tell me why it should NOT have caught a flyover.

CIT's own visualization of the flyover:

[qimg]http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5466/after3pf9.jpg[/qimg]

The CCTV security view:

[qimg]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5403/afterfe6.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7124/secondvid2aom0.jpg[/qimg]

Repeating my question again since it has been ignored by Turbofan on multiple threads.

Here is a graphic that shows why a flyover would have been visible to both cameras:

 

[Turbofan]

How are those flight path calculations coming along, Turbo?

Waiting for someone here to approve the prelim numbers. What do you
think, can we go with it?

Can one of you math specialists or experts in "the physics of flight" consider
Lloyde's story in context and work out some calculations for me here?

Use approximated specs of the pole, and the tapered weight of the lighter bent top end in contrast to the much heavier bottom end that Lloyde claims was over the hood.

What sort of energy we should expect from the approach of a 90 ton Boeing
at 530+ MPH?

Also calculate the effect of the cab traveling about 40 mph in the opposite direction.

Then calculate what kind of forces would act on the pole as the car skidded
to a stop sideways.

(imagine the 30 foot long pole still inside the cab as described by Lloyde and required by the interior damage)

Does it really make sense to you that the heavy end of the long pole would remain suspended over the hood through this entire experience?

No damage to the roof, windshield frame, or even causing more damage to
the windshield?

After you figure all of that, ask yourself how the pole ended up through the
windshield when Llyod's car was several feet away from the impact point
when he claimed it entered his cab.

 

[Turbofan]

Repeating my question again since it has been ignored by Turbofan on multiple threads.

Here is a graphic that shows why a flyover would have been visible to both cameras:

[qimg]http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6643/after2w2wjc1.jpg[/qimg]

I ALREADY answered this! You show me where the Boeing 757, AA 77
seems to be in that video using those same cameras you're asking to capture
the flyover!

 

[Bobert]

This is just getting old.
You are a broken record TF.
The same BS over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Not that you really care but welcome to ignore.

 

[funk de fino]

I ALREADY answered this! You show me where the Boeing 757, AA 77
seems to be in that video using those same cameras you're asking to capture
the flyover!

There are two videos with more frames that were released earlier that would have shown the flyover.

They show something in the video so why would they not show the flyover?

 

[Turbofan]

For the same reason they don't show AA77

 

[Mangoose]

I ALREADY answered this! You show me where the Boeing 757, AA 77 seems to be in that video using those same cameras you're asking to capture the flyover!

You supplied no answer to my question at all. I already said in my initial post that both videos show major activity near ground level (wholly unexplained by CIT since they do not have the plane so low) in the frame immediately preceding the explosion, but because of background objects and a lack of contrast it is difficult to distinguish the object over the lawn from the trees and buildings in the background. And I already said that this problem would not occur at all in the case of a flyover plane in the sky.

So stop bouncing the question back without attempting an answer. Very simple...Tell me why these two cameras did not capture the flyover. What explanation do you have for no plane being visible in the sky in either the frame prior to the initial explosion or the frame following it -- in both videos? And what is causing that activity near ground level in the frame preceding the explosion? I say it is the plane. In fact in the video without the pillar, I can make out the plane -- although because of image quality it is rather ambiguous. What do you say that object is (which pops into view the frame immediately prior to the explosion, and thus is associated with the event)?

 

[Turbofan]

You want me to believe that's an airplane huh? It ain't gunna happen.
For all we know it could be a missile, or smaller aircraft, or maybe drawn in.
It's amazing how the frames just happen to miss enough of the 'object' to
keep us guessing.

Now you want me to tell you why I can't see a flyover from a source that
I don't trust (being your government). Does that make any sense to you?

Do you have anything else to show me?

 

[lapman]

You want me to believe that's an airplane huh? It ain't gunna happen.
For all we know it could be a missile, or smaller aircraft, or maybe drawn in.
It's amazing how the frames just happen to miss enough of the 'object' to
keep us guessing.

Now you want me to tell you why I can't see a flyover from a source that
I don't trust (being your government). Does that make any sense to you?

Do you have anything else to show me?

Of course it ain't going to happen because that goes against your fantasy. Too bad the eyewitness testimonies, debris, damage, DNA evidence, etc. goes against your fantasy. Oh yeah, let's not forget the complete lack of any proof at all of a flyover.

 

[nicepants]

Does it really make sense to you that the heavy end of the long pole would remain suspended over the hood through this entire experience?

If you don't think it makes sense, provide some evidence to support your claims....something other than personal incredulity.

No damage to the roof, windshield frame, or even causing more damage to the windshield?

How do you know it didn't cause more damage to the windshield?

 

[Mangoose]

Now you want me to tell you why I can't see a flyover from a source that I don't trust (being your government).

No, I predicted two days ago that you would take this view. It took a while to get you to spit it out.

Your personal incredulity duly noted.

 

[beachnut]

You want me to believe that's an airplane huh? It ain't gunna happen.
For all we know it could be a missile, or smaller aircraft, or maybe drawn in.
It's amazing how the frames just happen to miss enough of the 'object' to
keep us guessing.

Now you want me to tell you why I can't see a flyover from a source that
I don't trust (being your government). Does that make any sense to you?

Do you have anything else to show me?

We are the government! Did you read our Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence? You are hearsay garbage statement spewing p4t spokesperson, hawking DVDs full of dumb ideas at 15 or 16 bucks, or has it gone up to 20 bucks for 34 Gs of stupid?

You do not understand DME, FDRs and other 9/11 issues, you will not understand any thing in this thread. Gee, you can’t even tell me which lamppost hit Lloyd’s cab.

It was flight 77 confirmed by a FDR, witnesses, DNA, RADAR, and even CIT witnesses saw 77 hit the Pentagon.

The only reason you are here is due to the fact no one who disagrees with you is at the p4tf. The p4t forum is a group think full of dumb ideas and all the little p4t want to be pilots agree with the fearless leader terrorist apologist who sells DVDs on line, Balsamo the 34 G flight path specialist for woo.

Evidence on 9/11 makes your ideas false!

 

[Turbofan]

Time to buy a lotto ticket!

Don't hate me because the DoD (DUD) video doesn't proove AA77 was there...