The Professor's Halloween performance - any info?

Senex said:
Speaking as a JREF member -- I have to admit I want to witness the payoff. I suspect every member of the JREF wants to watch the payoff and has no interest in delays after the test is negotiated. The negotiation might be a bit interesting but no one wishes the actual put up or shut up event to be delayed. That's BS. We all want to see if someone can break the laws of physics. (I consider gleaming information from EVP breaking the laws of physics.)

What's the new date? Maybe someone can bring a webcam. What does the professor hope to learn from EVP's?
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Senex I said the very same thing over at MC forum.Why would any skeptic try to stop someone taking the MDC.Most woos manage to do it all by themselves.;)

New date will be 31st October 2009!!!! :D
 
Subject to TP negotiating a mutually agreeable protocol. New date will therefore be 12th Never.
 
Could we start one over there to just discuss protocol of the test. I wonder if they would let us it is the area for sceptics I might start one and see how long it lasts I still want to encourage rockwall to help him as David may listen to him. David seems more likely to post over there so it might get an acceptable protocol done. Though I doubt it I still hold out hope.
 
Azrael 5 said:
Senex I said the very same thing over at MC forum.Why would any skeptic try to stop someone taking the MDC.Most woos manage to do it all by themselves.;)
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To anyone who isn't running a con or deluded, the whole point of the MDC is to weed out any fakery and pay off someone if they actually have powers science can not explain.

"Protecting the million" as an excuse for why JREF would have a vested interest in sabotage is beyond retarded. The money Randi and the winner could make promoting this great leap in human understanding would dwarf it in a matter of days.
 
RoboTimbo said:
That makes TP's evasions about what happened more understandable now. After all the hype about what he was going to do on Halloween and then he Halloweenied out of it. Also explains why he's been keeping such a low profile the past few days.
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My best guess was that Dave's MDC sham-o-rama was supposed to be part of a larger Jim paranormal show. Dave's portion of it would last a half hour (leaving some time for commercials, of course, as he himself stated).

Still, it boggles the mind that Jim didn't bother to obtain permission to use the site first. Well, maybe not "boggles"...
 
I think until further details are made known that such harsh Koenig-bashing is a bit unfair.

~ Matt
 
MattC said:
I think until further details are made known that such harsh Koenig-bashing is a bit unfair.

~ Matt
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He blames his failure to do the most basic form of preparation on us. I think we have ever reason to point out how ridiculous this has all been repeatedly.
 
Ok this goes against my nature but lets lay off him for a while I got a new thread going over at MC as it looks like he doesn't want to post here anymore. Now if we want to be biased against him we should do it over in this forum and hopefully we can keep get response in that one and maybe even get a working protocol.

Though I may think differently depending on how this turns out.
 
Seanrmr said:
Ok this goes against my nature but lets lay off him for a while I got a new thread going over at MC as it looks like he doesn't want to post here anymore. Now if we want to be biased against him we should do it over in this forum and hopefully we can keep get response in that one and maybe even get a working protocol.

Though I may think differently depending on how this turns out.
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Bolding mine.
He got busted,and can't face the shame.:)
 
Seanrmr said:
Now if we want to be biased against him we should do it over in this forum and hopefully we can keep get response in that one and maybe even get a working protocol.
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While I respect your intentions in attempting to get Mr Koenig to negotiate a protocol I fear your efforts are doomed to failure. I see on your new thread at the Magic Cafe that Mr Koenig has started spouting the same old lies again ... and the thread is still on its first page.

Why on earth would we want to go over there to discuss Mr Koenig's protocol? That is a forum where mods/admins seem to delete posts and/or topics which point out Mr Koenig's continuing dishonesty, but the lies scatter-gunned around the place by Mr Koenig are rarely if ever censored.

Here at JREF the rules are applied equally to all members.
 
Yeah it does seem doomed to failure. I mainly started more to see if I could pull him out of his stubbornness which is really only hindering himself in making a protocol. There are people over on that forum that may help with protocol help (well there is rockwall). But hey one good thing has come from the current thread Bill has seen some of the stubbornness that is stopping the protocol from being passed if we can get more of his supporters over there pointing this out to him who knows he may either back down and try to disappear if its a con. Or improve his protocol. Or most likely continue on as normal.

If I can get my first question there answered in first say two pages I believe progress could be made otherwise yes you guys are right and I will give up trying as well.
 
cwalner said:
Ok, my logic may be a little thin, but this also cuts TP's claim. If what you suggest is the case, then the PD presence was SOP and had nothing to do with anybody on the JREF Forum.
He is simply blaming us because several members here foresaw (without psychic powers) this potential snag and warned TP to take measures to avoid it. Because in his world, the fact that he ignored our advice cannot make it his fault that our foresight was accurate.
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I was in no way trying to defend TP, I believe he's trying to use this forum and the name of James Randi for added publicity, I was merely speculating why there may not have been a police report. Desertgal said it better :)

desertgal said:
A report may not have been filled out. Given the holiday and the location, a police officer may have been on the premises to prevent ANYONE who attempted to enter after hours. In ProfessorWorld (or, in this case, JimWorld), though, it would translate to the officer being there to specifically prevent HIM from entering the cemetery. :rolleyes:
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Seanrmr said:
Yeah it does seem doomed to failure. I mainly started more to see if I could pull him out of his stubbornness which is really only hindering himself in making a protocol. There are people over on that forum that may help with protocol help (well there is rockwall). But hey one good thing has come from the current thread Bill has seen some of the stubbornness that is stopping the protocol from being passed if we can get more of his supporters over there pointing this out to him who knows he may either back down and try to disappear if its a con. Or improve his protocol. Or most likely continue on as normal.

If I can get my first question there answered in first say two pages I believe progress could be made otherwise yes you guys are right and I will give up trying as well.
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I've given up over there. I thought there might just be some small chance if he was amongst his peers but I can see one of two things happening. a) The credulous will consciously or unconsciously fail to understand why his existing one won't work or b) Those who do try to come up with a genuine protocol will be called snarky bashers. I'm thinking it will be a week or two before he calls Bill that. And Bill to call him a terrorist.

Either way, TP shoots himself in the foot and it's a win.
 
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Azrael 5 said:
It's all skeptics fault the thread got deleted at Magic Cafe.I just got a PM from their Chief of Staff,after I complained.Obviously I can't quote it,but it seems "us" persisting to correct TP and his lies is wrong.In a nutshell.
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May have something to do with the fact that, up until recently, Mr Koenig was paying for advertising on the Magic Cafe.

I'd like to see that PM. Any chance you can PM it to me? ;)

Chris
 
Seanrmr said:
Now if we want to be biased against him
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What does bias have to do with it?
bi·as [ b əss ]


noun (plural bi·as·es or bi·as·ses)

Definition:

1. an unfair preference for or dislike of something
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There's nothing unfair about disliking The Professor for being a publicity-seeking liar, and there's certainly nothing unfair about exposing his lies. It's not bias if you've earned it.

Edit: In fact, one of my very few nominations for the Language Award was for saying something that is relevant here:
It's not prejudice if they deserve it, then it's just plain judice.
 
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The Skeptic's Bible said:
May have something to do with the fact that, up until recently, Mr Koenig was paying for advertising on the Magic Cafe.
Chris
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I've never seen an ad at the Magic Cafe, Ad Muncher takes care of that for me, so I can't comment on that.

I DO know that one of the Magic Cafe's moderators, Tom Cutts, is a supporter of The Professor. In the "Is the million still there?" thread (recently deleted), he was defending The Professor and condemning The Professor's detractors AND moderating the thread. Towards the end of the thread's life, several posters began objecting to this obvious conflict of interest. The Magic Cafe forbids any talk of moderator's activity, so when The Professor began spinning indefensibly out of control and accusations of lying began to be slung from both sides, I guess it all just became too much and the powers that be trashed the thread.

It's too bad because there was some very choice The Professor's mania on display in that thread. Not that there's any lack of it here.
 
Pogo said:
I've never seen an ad at the Magic Cafe, Ad Muncher takes care of that for me, so I can't comment on that.

I DO know that one of the Magic Cafe's moderators, Tom Cutts, is a supporter of The Professor. In the "Is the million still there?" thread (recently deleted), he was defending The Professor and condemning The Professor's detractors AND moderating the thread. Towards the end of the thread's life, several posters began objecting to this obvious conflict of interest. The Magic Cafe forbids any talk of moderator's activity, so when The Professor began spinning indefensibly out of control and accusations of lying began to be slung from both sides, I guess it all just became too much and the powers that be trashed the thread.

It's too bad because there was some very choice The Professor's mania on display in that thread. Not that there's any lack of it here.
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Been very quiet lately Mr Cutts..since I reported his sorry ass ;)
 
Pogo said:
It's too bad because there was some very choice The Professor's mania on display in that thread. Not that there's any lack of it here.
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what a shame, with TP not posting here anymore and the thread at the MC down, where will I go for my daily dose of Schadenfreude
 
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