Merged Lloyd England: Eye of the Storm

[CurtC]

For those of you considering buying a 757 jet, to slam it's wing into an aluminium pole at above 500 mph, to prove to Turbonuts the error of his ways. Please make sure Turbodunce is in the 757 so he gets a good look at it when it happens.

He's doing quite a good job of insulting himself without our doing it too. Plus, insults and using a modified user name are against forum rules.

 

[dtugg]

I found a 757-200 for sale for $43 million. Perhaps Turbofan can provide the funds for it. Hopefully Bob Balsamo will fly it. If it turns out the wing couldn't do that to the pole, I will pay for the aircraft and also give Turbofan $100 million and become a twoofer. I have the money, I swear! And I will use rest of my considerable fortune to spread da twoof.

 

[beachnut]

Turbofan has failed to present the whole story! CIT are so bad at twisting the facts and cherry picking they have never covered the basic facts. What I need to know is:
Which post hit the cab?
What lane was the cab in?
How fast was the cab going?
How far did it take the cab to stop?

Where is the million dollars?

 

[Pi_314]

Performing Turbo's experiment with an actual 757 would cost substantially more than the $1M he's allegedly offering....however a "wing-like object" could be probably obtained for much less less money, depending on the as-yet unspecified criteria for being considered "wing-like".

....anyone else hear those goalposts moving? ;-)

Something tells me you didn't get the joke.
hint
Kill two birds with one stone?

 

[Bobert]

I found a 757-200 for sale for $43 million. Perhaps Turbofan can provide the funds for it. Hopefully Bob Balsamo will fly it. If it turns out the wing couldn't do that to the pole, I will pay for the aircraft and also give Turbofan $100 million and become a twoofer. I have the money, I swear! And I will use rest of my considerable fortune to spread da twoof.

Wow TF since you will have Captain Bob so no need to purchase those little snack sized bags of nuts that the airlines give you!

 

[Sunstealer]

From my perspective the two opposing positions are poles apart.

 

[Pi_314]

From my perspective the two opposing positions are poles apart.

I guess for the sake of being accurate, they would be 6 and 1/2 x 2 = 13 Lincoln front ends apart.

 

[Brainache]

...At least one person recently has suggested the pole may have some reinforcing (Brainache) which could explain the bend. he KNOWS the physics; unfortunately
nobody else does.
...

Am I right to be worried about this?
Should I seek a second opinion?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Let's watch the goalposts move, shall we?

It's not my fault you cannot read. If you go back to initial post, I asked someone
to show how a plane wing type object could form a smooth radius in a metal
pole with similar force as the alleged plane.

Then your basic friends come back with a bunch of pictures and experiments
that resemble anything buy what I asked. They even want a million on top of
that

Let's take a look at the original question.

how about that custom mandrel bend courtesy of American Airlines! LMAO

Have you guys ever though about that? I know A W hasn't. You can't
get an airplane to achieve such a smooth bend at 530+ MPH.

So the original question was "Have you guys ever thought about that?" A declaration of personal incredulity, one should note, is not a question. However, let's keep looking, because there might be a request for some kind of action in a later post.

I will offer the Randi million challenge to anyone that can:

Bend a metal cylinder/tube as shown in the light pole photo by striking it with an aluminum wing facsimile at any speed.

Still not a question, and no description of what constitutes a reasonable attempt at an "aluminum wing facsimile", but we'll let that go. But note that this says, "at any speed", not "with similar force as the alleged plane". Maybe there's a more specific question somewhere further down.

You guys are weak. Go find a metal cylinder and bend it without a mandrel, or radius tooling. Come back with a photo

Okay, at last we have a simple, specific request for action, though it's still not a question. So a few people found examples of metal cylinders being bent without a mandrel or radius tooling and posted the pictures, and what was the response?

All I see are pictures and examples that are far from a wing like object striking
a pole.

Then maybe you should have asked for pictures of a wing like object striking a pole.

So now you've come up with yet another demand:

STRIKE IT WITH AN AIRPLANE WING LIKE OBJECT AT A SIMULATED SPEED OF
530 MPH!

You've made five different requests, consisting of different sets of instructions, that you seem unable to recognise as being different. We're not the ones who are getting confused here. Maybe you need a little help with clarifying your requirements.

Damn, my 2 year old nephew would have had these instructions down on the
first try I'm sure.

Then you should get your 2 year old nephew to write your posts for you, if he doesn't already.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

Should I seek a second opinion?

OK. You're ugly too.

Dave

 

[Caustic Logic]

Am I right to be worried about this?
Should I seek a second opinion?

Well, it's something to keep an eye on, but probably just coincidence this time around.

Does it change anyone's thinking that it was almost certainly the engine front, rather than the wing edge that hit the first pole? Might this have something to do with the unique bend?
http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2007/11/light-pole-1-and-2-analysis.html

Are we still debating whether a metal pole can be bent by a Mandril? Or have the goalposts been moved too far? Because I have this now:

Also here's a general use version sans simian. Thanks to Jaydeehess for the graphic idea.

 

[Wolrab]

You guys are going about this the wrong way. All you need to do is buy a light pole, transport it to an aircraft graveyard, and run it into a wing at 500+ mph. Sheesh!

 

[Turbofan]

The problem with most of you is you can't recreate the experiment and
then you cry and complain about goal posts?!

Since when did the 'aircraft' grab the top of the pole and bend it? Not
quite the same huh smart guys? You have all of these smart guys showing
examples of bends that were created with anything but a hard strike...
but I'M moving goal posts?

I wish I could sell enough aprons as Randi to produce the million prize, but
it seems it wont be needed as nobody can grasp the basic instructions.

The pole has a break-away base that can be knocked off at 20 MPH, but
the wing managed to slice and create a smooth bend before the pole
broke away. Did the slice happen before, or after the bend?

I guess if it happened after, the plane would have to be flying vertical


Keep putting up the pretty pictures and not thinking about the official story.
Then complain about goal posts.

 

[TexasJack]

but I'M moving goal posts?

I wouldn't say you've moved the goalposts, rather you have taken them down completely.

 

[CurtC]

The pole has a break-away base that can be knocked off at 20 MPH, but the wing managed to slice and create a smooth bend before the pole broke away. Did the slice happen before, or after the bend?

It's my gut-feel that the bend most likely happened after the slice, when the pole hit the ground. The slice itself would have been a large amount of force, but exceedingly brief. Like a samurai chopping a piece of bamboo with his sword.

By the way, I'm still not convinced that the long vertical piece of the pole is the one that impaled Lloyd's car. It seems more likely to me that it was the smaller slanting piece that has the light fixture at the end. That's still pretty darn long. On what do you all base your opinion that it was in fact the longer piece?

 

[Turbofan]

It's my gut-feel that the bend most likely happened after the slice, when the pole hit the ground. The slice itself would have been a large amount of force, but exceedingly brief. Like a samurai chopping a piece of bamboo with his sword.

That's a fairly good assessment of how both might have happened.

By the way, I'm still not convinced that the long vertical piece of the pole is the one that impaled Lloyd's car. It seems more likely to me that it was the smaller slanting piece that has the light fixture at the end.

What makes you think this?

On what do you all base your opinion that it was in fact the longer piece?

Either one of two video testimonies made by Lloyd.

 

[WildCat]

I wouldn't say you've moved the goalposts, rather you have taken them down completely.

In my last year at NIU we played Cal State-Fullerton for our Homecoming game. Fullerton was ranked at the time, NIU had no chance on paper. But a funny thing happened during the game, NIU absolutely destroyed them by 6 or 7 touchdowns. After the game, one of the goalposts was ripped out, carried across the field, up the stands, thrown over the side, carried across campus, and finally thrown into the west lagoon.

Something tells me that Turbofan has bigger plans for his goalpost...

 

[WildCat]

And watch Turbofan run like a scared schoolgirl from this simple question: Turbofan, do you concede that a light pole can be bent smoothly without a mandrel?

 

[CurtC]

Either one of two video testimonies made by Lloyd.

That's what I was wondering. I don't find Lloyd's statements about which pole it was particularly persuasive. And I'm having these thoughts, because my gut agrees with you that having a very long, heavy pole, supported by its skinny end, dangling out of Lloyd's car without causing any damage to the hood, and then Lloyd and one other guy lifting this long heavy pole out of his car again without causing any damage to the exterior, is not very plausible. The smaller section of pole is much more plausible to me, even in light of Lloyd's description.

However, let me point out that even the long pole scenario is way more plausible than stealth-planted light poles.

 

[Turbofan]

And watch Turbofan run like a scared schoolgirl from this simple question: Turbofan, do you concede that a light pole can be bent smoothly without a mandrel?

Somewhat. I do it almost daily when building roll cages for cars.

In the context of the official story with one fixed end of the pole, and then
being struck by a fast moving object- no!