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beachnut said:
Physics!; this is too easy.
The post is a breakaway post, engineers worked on the old post that use to kill people and they made breakaway posts so the posts would fall, not fly with large amounts of KE from impacts; gee, I give you physics, you give me apologies for terrorists. Your lack of knowledge and experience is hopefully a temporary setback for you.
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Wow, you are unreal. You are so far off the mark, I have to draw you a
picture to make you understand. It's not about the light poles having the
'break-away' design, it's about the direction of traffic vs. direction of force
acting on the light pole.

Yawwwwn...sit tight, don't hurt your brain, I'll draw you a diagram later.

7 years and you bring more lies and false information. The cab driver is clearly in line with the flight path of 77; use your eyes Luke.
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Poor Beachnut. I'm surprised nobody has tried to put you out of your misery
yet. If you (like others should) would watch the video, you will notice that
LLOYD DENIES HE WAS EVER THERE, even after CIT shows him photo proof.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Wait, don't answer. Wait for the diagram.
 
Turbofan said:
I'm still waiting for someone to give me flight data, or something tangible to work with in order to calculate your stupid nonsense.
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Talk to CIT. It's their flight path we're asking you to provide data for.
 
Turbofan said:
What does seat capacity regulation have to do with a piece of leather
suspending a pole? Who's the putz? :rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for someone to give me flight data, or something tangible
to work with in order to calculate your stupid nonsense.

What you have asked me is essentially:

A car took a corner really fast, calculate why is not able to stay on the road.

You guys provide comedy at a level no other site can.
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essentially what you are telling us is that you saw a man jump out a 3rd story window, float up to the 5th story window, and climb back in the building, and since you have witnesses who saw this it negates the need to prove such a feat is even physically possible
 
I'm going in to NWO headquarters this afternoon and putting Lloyde up for a raise and I beg all you NWO trainees and veterans to learn from Lloyde's lesson on how to keep a bunch of morons busy.
 
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Turbofan said:
What does seat capacity regulation have to do with a piece of leather
suspending a pole? Who's the putz? :rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for someone to give me flight data, or something tangible
to work with in order to calculate your stupid nonsense.

What you have asked me is essentially:

A car took a corner really fast, calculate why is not able to stay on the road.

You guys provide comedy at a level no other site can.
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TurboFan, we are simply going to have to insist that you at least adhere to consistent positions in a single thread. Thus, you said:

“Oh wow, now we have super strong sponge/foam, and some dinky wire framing
(if any) in the seat.”

I post federal regulations showing that you are completely wrong.

You whine about it, and now claim that the only thing that could have possibly held up the pole in the back seat was the outside cover. Sad.

I also see you are now claiming that we have not provided the flight data you require. Actually, I gave you the CIT Flight Path. Look at post 20 in this thread:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/799975/1/

For speed: any speed above stall. Good luck! By the way, rather than looking like a complete jackass, you may wish to consult the "experts" at Pfft as to why you car analogy is really quite silly (that being said any competent accident reconstructionist can easily provide to you the calculations regarding the minimum speed a car was traveling when it lost control while negotiating a turn).
 
Turbofan said:
Wow, you are unreal. You are so far off the mark, I have to draw you a
picture to make you understand. It's not about the light poles having the
'break-away' design, it's about the direction of traffic vs. direction of force
acting on the light pole.

Yawwwwn...sit tight, don't hurt your brain, I'll draw you a diagram later.

:eek:
Poor Beachnut. I'm surprised nobody has tried to put you out of your misery
yet. If you (like others should) would watch the video, you will notice that
LLOYD DENIES HE WAS EVER THERE, even after CIT shows him photo proof.

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Wait, don't answer. Wait for the diagram.
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Turbofan, you can make fun of me much better than you defend pure junk and biased investigation that ranks as the worse investigation in the world. I think the guys you support have last place locked up! You have proven you are just as good as CIT in understanding 9/11; you have zero evidence and zero understanding, just like CIT and Balsamo the terrorist loyalist with oak leaf clusters, and order of UBL apologist 1st class.

Sorry, the breakaway post work in all directions, as seen on 9/11, they do not become high speed, high kinetic energy projectiles they once were before they became engineered for safety. I don't understand why you fail to understand the real world and how things work, you seem to like hearsay, lies and fantasy ideas pushed by p4t and CIT more.


What we have is failure to communicate reality from p4t and CIT. We have a witness who says something, that is called witness testimony and after filtered by CIT it becomes a smoking gun red flag event only CIT and other idiots can make up fantasy ideas of grandeur to break a story; but they FAIL to take the data to the real news agencies because they are only nut case ideas from fringe idiots in a failed movement of lies.

You are resting your ideas on a witness, but ignore hard evidence of where the cab was and where 77 flew.
Here is my diagram, showing the cab in line with the damage done by 77! oops
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This photo makes your ideas fantasy. You are proven wrong by a marine photo! A military member makes your ideas false! Why do you blame the military for what 19 terrorist did? Do you mean to be a terrorist apologist, or are you vying for terrorist loyalist status? Ironic due to the fact the terrorist take credit for 9/11.


I agree with others! Take your evidence to the authorities and break the story, earn the Pulitzer Prize! Why have you failed to do this? Is everyone is in on the cover-up?… What is your excuse?


http://mfile.akamai.com/12904/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0425/8978949.200k.asx What he said a while back, and with the photo taken on 9/11, makes your ideas total junk.
 
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Turbofan said:
What you have asked me is essentially:

A car took a corner really fast, calculate why is not able to stay on the road.
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That analogy is completely off. If you want it in terms of cars and corners, here it is: you've speculated that a car went around a tight corner really really fast. We've pointed out that we don't think it would be possible, so we've asked how fast you think it was going and exactly what path it took around the corner, because we don't think there is a path for it to take, at any reasonably high speed, that would be possible. You complain that you don't need to present no stinkin' path. We speculate you say this because you really know yourself that what you have proposed is impossible, and if you proposed any path we'd show you exactly why.



Turbofan said:
you will notice that
LLOYD DENIES HE WAS EVER THERE, even after CIT shows him photo proof.
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So what is your thesis here? That Lloyd really was where he was shown in the photos, which is right in line with the "official" path, but Lloyd thinks he was farther north, more in line with the CIT path? And he's telling you what you want to hear because he's actually a gummint agent and is using some kind of reverse-vampire psychology on you?

Or do you think that he's telling you the truth, but the "official" photos are doctored to show something that never happened?

Please clarify what you're claiming, because I don't understand at all.
 
CurtC said:
That analogy is completely off. If you want it in terms of cars and corners, here it is: you've speculated that a car went around a tight corner really really fast. We've pointed out that we don't think it would be possible, so we've asked how fast you think it was going and exactly what path it took around the corner, because we don't think there is a path for it to take, at any reasonably high speed, that would be possible. You complain that you don't need to present no stinkin' path. We speculate you say this because you really know yourself that what you have proposed is impossible, and if you proposed any path we'd show you exactly why.
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The analogy is perfect in the sense that you're asking me to calculate stuff
without any data. How stupid are people on this site?

How difficult is it for a plane to fly over the Annex on the north side of
Citgo, and pull up over the Pentagon?




So what is your thesis here? That Lloyd really was where he was shown in the photos, which is right in line with the "official" path, but Lloyd thinks he was farther north, more in line with the CIT path? And he's telling you what you want to hear because he's actually a gummint agent and is using some kind of reverse-vampire psychology on you?

Or do you think that he's telling you the truth, but the "official" photos are doctored to show something that never happened?

Please clarify what you're claiming, because I don't understand at all.
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YOu see, I'm not claiming anything. Lloyd is doing it all on his own.
That Lloyd really was where he was shown in the photos, which is right in line with the "official" path, but Lloyd thinks he was farther north, more in line with the CIT path?
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That pretty much sums it up.

P.S. Did any of you fools get a chance to measure the highway width
and length of Lloyd car?

44 foot highway at pole #1

Lloyd's cab is 18 feet long.

Pole #1 was how long? 35 feet?

Do the math netgineers.

Here's the direction of traffic vs. impact on the pole. Have fun trying to
make it work :D

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/approachgif.gif
 
LOL Internetforumwarrior Turbofan. So how soon do you think the inquests will start once the law enforcement community, world-wide mainstream media, and foreign governments get wind of your incontrovertible evidence?

Obviously these netengineers on this site are in contrast with the real engineers in the world who are waiting with baited breath for you to show them your smoking-gun evidence that stumped the losers at Jref.
 
Oh God help me.... You HAVE to read this post from Ranke at ATS.....

Obviously hypnosis/mind-control is a possibility but the more likely scenario is that he is simply a long time asset that got the assignment of a lifetime.

He has been a DC cab driver for decades. For all we know he regularly was sent to pick up agents, congressmen, diplomats etc with a wire in his cab.

Lloyde played a significant role in the 9/11 propaganda and was left to roam free and speak to the media whenever he wanted.

Most examples where people have suggested mind control was used during a world historical tragic event have ended with the patsy either dead or in custody.

It seems less likely to me that they would use exotic techniques like mind control for such a significant and sensitive part of the 9/11 evidence surrounding the almost instantly controversial and questionable Pentagon attack.

But assets are a dime a dozen.

The staging of Lloyde's scene required some very fast thinking professional operatives to make sure it was pulled off without a hitch.

Lloyde most likely let them take care of it while waiting for the photo op.
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Sweet Jesus that was fresh.

:dl:
 
twinstead said:
LOL Internetforumwarrior Turbofan. So how soon do you think the inquests will start once the law enforcement community, world-wide mainstream media, and foreign governments get wind of your incontrovertible evidence?

Obviously these netengineers on this site are in contrast with the real engineers in the world who are waiting with baited breath for you to show them your smoking-gun evidence that stumped the losers at Jref.
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Typical, just typical.

Even though the dimensions prove the pole could not have entered the
cab, you poke fun.

It shows a lack of hope for some Americans fooled by their own leaders.
 
Turbofan:


You are still arguing entirely on the basis of incredulity, and acting like a child while you do so.

YOU don't understand how something happened, so instead of actually asking for clarification you leap to an absurd conclusion involving a massive conspiracy.

You have nothing. No facts, no evidence, no understanding of physics.

The real world does not bow to your call just because you are confused. You mock us with every post, as if your inability to learn and understand somehow reflects upon the competence of the posters on this site.

You dance from topic to topic faster than a kid with ADHD. I know this, because I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child.

Anytime someone tries to help you understand, tries to explain something to you, or answer one of your questions, you dance away from it and later re-phrase it, still loudly and proudly proclaiming your ignorance of the subject as proof of some secret cover-up.


Please stop this childish behaviour. Stop spitting out ideas and dodges as fast as your mind can generate them, and read the explanations given to you. Read them. If you don't understand, ask questions explaining what you don't understand and why, so we can help to clarify the issue.
But ignoring the answers and dancing away from questions asked of you is puerile. It is dishonest. It shows quite clearly that your intent on this forum is not to learn, not to ask insightful questions, but rather to be contrary to everything we explain to you. To disagree purely for the sake of disagreeing.

If you are not willing to learn, why are you wasting your and our time here?

I've made a more-than-fair offer repeatedly, and in response you act stupid. You demand details I've already covered, and twist my question almost beyond recognition.
In return, I was going to help you understand how the light pole could have been suspended. How it was indeed physically possible. In short, I offered you reality, concrete and testable, in place of cluelessness and conjecture.

I ask you to provide calculations showing CITs flight path is physically possible, and you ask me to provide the flightpath. How dishonest and evasive can you get? You are the one advocating CITs flight path. If you need the details, talk to CIT.

Of course, you won't. The flight path as currently posited by CIT is not physically possible. It requires far more accelerating force than an airliner can generate. meanwhile the flight path proposed by the investigators (corroborated by witness testimony (testimony which CIT conveniently ignores), corroborated by physical evidence, corroborated by tracking data, corroborated by the FDR, corroborated by the airlines, etc) easily fits within the realm of physical possibility.

I suspect that the reason you dodge is because you know that CITs flight path is bogus. You know it won't stand up to scrutiny. So you refuse to scrutinize it. Instead, you concentrate on a small number of witnesses who think they saw the jet passing North of Citgo. All of whom, regardless of their view on where the jet went, agree the jet hit the Pentagon, rendering the conspiracy a mute point anyways. But CIT ignores this detail too, and fabricates the notion of a fly-over.
CIT is only interested in evidence supporting their preconceptions, which is why their "theories" fail. They have absurd requirements for accepting evidence that does not fit their opinion, but are willing to accept even the flimsiest most unsubstantiated rumour that supports their pet notion. This double standard should be an alarm bell to any rational person.
The rest of us look at all the evidence, look at what is physically possible, and draw our conclusions from there.


I'm sick of you and your petulance.

My offer is withdrawn.

Go ahead. Glory in your ignorance. Celebrate your confusion. Proclaim it as fact to the world.
I won't stop you.

But when you get tired of having people laugh at your ideas, tear apart your theories, and send you scurrying back to the comforting darkness of denialism, come back and talk. Come back, and ask questions that have significance. Read the answers, and ask for help if there is something you don't understand.

Because the juvenile mocking denialism you've exhibited on this board is nothing more than mental masturbation. You aren't interested in fact. You aren't interested in knowledge. You are interested in stringing us along. You are interested in playing games and chuckling to yourself about how to get us riled up. And from there you can delude yourself into thinking that we're the stupid ones, and therefore that we're wrong, and your conspiracy, based entirely on lies, ignorance and misunderstanding, is correct.

I'll take you off ignore when you ask a real question. Someone will have to quote it for me to see it, so I ask the rest of you to do me that favour whenever Turbofan decides to grow up. Not that I expect you to care. Quite the opposite, in fact. I reckon you'll declare yourself the winner, as though making others realize discussion with you is as pointless somehow constitutes victory.

Until then, goodbye.
 
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Turbofan said:
Even though the dimensions prove the pole could not have entered the cab, you poke fun.

It shows a lack of hope for some Americans fooled by their own leaders.
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Your stuff is wrong; redo.
You offer zero evidence, flawed junk; a simple photo from a marine proves you wrong again. Don't mess with marines.

CITLies2.jpg

Your terrorist loyalist leaders in p4t have doltish ideas on 9/11, and you fall for those ideas.


You support the dolts of CIT who believe 9/11 involved thought control. How did the government do the thought control; or how much and what types of drugs make the idiots of CIT spew so much crap?
 
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Turbofan said:
P.S. Did any of you fools get a chance to measure the highway width
and length of Lloyd car?

44 foot highway at pole #1

Lloyd's cab is 18 feet long.

Pole #1 was how long? 35 feet?

Do the math netgineers.
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Turbofan said:
the dimensions prove the pole could not have entered the
cab,
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Are you intentionally being obtuse?

The dimensions don't prove that the pole never entered the cab, they only prove that the cab was not big enough for the entire length of the pole to fit inside.
 
Turbofan said:
Typical, just typical.

Even though the dimensions prove the pole could not have entered the
cab, you poke fun.

It shows a lack of hope for some Americans fooled by their own leaders.
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Dude. You have nothing. You have not proved anything. What this really shows is the lack of hope for some American school systems.
 
Turbofan said:
How difficult is it for a plane to fly over the Annex on the north side of
Citgo, and pull up over the Pentagon?
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Well you were given the CIT flight path and the speed.

That is all you need to do the calculations.

Are you sure you are a member of Pfft?

Anyway, to answer you question (yeah, I was testing you to see if you would independently discover that Craig and fatAldo have been lying through their teeth since day one) how difficult is it to Fly the CIT NOC path(s)? Very difficult, in fact it is impossible. You see the wings fall off, or the plane falls out of the sky.

They know this, Cap'n Rob tried to do the math once, and failed miserably. They once pointed to one flight path that a JREFer came up withthat a plane might be able to fly, but of course, that was without descent and ascents, and was inconsistent with their own witnesses so they dropped that.

Anyhow, your heroes are frauds.

Now, changing the subject, does Craig have Parkinsons or something? He is the twitchiest SOB I have EVER seen. They must make quite a pair, the Thin One, Twitchy McParanoid, and the Fat One, Aldo McGordo.
 
What's even more difficult is pulling off that 'pulling up and flying over' maneuver without any witnesses.
 
twinstead said:
What's even more difficult is pulling off that 'pulling up and flying over' maneuver without any witnesses.
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Not to mention staging a photo op involving a pre-smashed cab and light poles that weren't hit by a plane strewn all over the place during morning rush hour on a busy highway.

Seriously Turbofan, how do you expect anyone to believe in teams of covert agents tossing light poles around next to a busy road in broad daylight with no one noticing anything even slightly suspicious?
 
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