Merged Lloyd England: Eye of the Storm

[uruk]

Please explain how the pole enters the windshield from those angles, and
sticks out suspended in mid air with 30+ feet sticking out of the car.

How do you know the pole was sticking in midair. the pole was curved and the other end could have been resting on the ground.

What? Oh you say that Lloyd said the pole was sticking upright in mid air. Well. Hmmm, didn't you just say that Lloyd puts himself in the wrong location on the highway? If he's wrong about his position on the highway why would say he's right about the position of the pole?

Lloyd's testimony clearly cannot be taken to be accurate.

 

[nicepants]

Could not fly NOC? Why not? Is there some sort of black hole north of the
Annex, or gas station?

No need to bust out the strawmen. Please read for comprehension:

First, provide the calculations showing that an airliner could have flown the CIT NOC flight path.

CIT's NOC flight path has a lot more requirements than simply flying north of the Citgo station.

ETA:

How are the CIT sales coming along?

Apparently not-so-good if they've got to advertise here!

 

[Turbofan]

Are you implying the pole is heavier than the car?

The back seat would only need to support the wieght of the pole past the fulcrum point on the dashboard.

You need to use that 3 pound organ on the top of your neck.

What does the weight of the car have to do with the back seat and pole?

Am I talking to a bunch of first graders here?

How long was the section of pole that 'landed' in Lloyd's car? 35 feet?
What is the approximate weight of the pole, 200 lbs.?

Six feet inside the car, and the fulcrum occurs at the windshield six feet
from the thinnest part of the pole.

That means about 171 pounds was supported by the seat leather

Take into account that the pole is bigger near the base and tapers toward
the top, but I'll give you equal weight distribution.

I'll also forget the fact that the car skidded and the pole would have shifted.

I need some of that super strength taxi leather! LMAO

maybe one you concede, you can begin to explain how the pole could have
physically guided itself into the car. This should be good.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I think the real question is what are the crackpot groups like CIT and PffffT going to do? Is this it? Complaining on internet forums? What about contacting the police or filing a lawsuit?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Also, so far CIT has not show that it's impossible for the pole to end up where it did. They haven't even come close. Perhaps these arguments o incredulity are why they aren't being taken seriously and instead get mocked by the press?

 

[1337m4n]

Not quite denialboy.

If you would have watched the video like any responsible researcher would do,
you would have seen that CIT showed Lloyd several photos of himself and the
cab.

Lloyd acknowledges the photos, but then denies he was ever there.

You all continue to attack CIT instead of taking in the message from the video.

Caustic, that's some pretty strong leather to hold up a street lamp.
Unbelievable excuses here.

Am I getting this right?

Lloyd is wrong about this and is deemed a "liar".

Every bloody Pentagon eyewitness says that the plane hit the Pentagon, and is deemed "mistaken".

Why is Lloyd not "mistaken"?

 

[Bobert]

Once again, are the official pictures staged, or is Lloyd telling the truth in
this latest video.

Pick one

Ok got it....
On the one hand Lloyde is a liar or patsy or government operative but on the other he is telling the truth when it supports your fantasy terrorist hugging agenda.

 

[MarkyX]

I watched the interview and not mildly impressed. I can see why 9/11 deniers like CIT would never dare post this in the court room.

There were leading the witnesses, presented false information to him, lied about the events...all for the sake to get the "right information" out of him.

The sad part is Lloyd's story has hardly an impact, as physical evidence shows Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.

Much like the creationist and holocaust denier, CIT is trying to poke as many fictional holes as they can by stringing along a series of deceptive tactics and logical fallacies without doing any sort of legitimate investigation on their own behalf.

 

[chillzero]

dtugg and Turbofan - please keep on topic - it's about Lloyd England, not whether the plane hit or not.

 

[Pi_314]

Seems Lloyd single handedly assured that the CIT boys will continue to waste their lives for at least a few more years. LMAO!

They actually think they have ole Lloyd on the ropes. Hehe

 

[alexi_drago]

LMAO what reason does Lloyd have to tell the truth or make any effort to explain anything to a bunch of meddling kids who are just going to twist what he says to suit themselves anyway. One thing from the movie I agree with, he's sharp. And it was even mentioned in the movie that they found his willingness to be interviewed strange.

 

[Pi_314]

Originally Posted by Turbofan
Once again, are the official pictures staged, or is Lloyd telling the truth in
this latest video.

Pick one

I'd go with staged. That'll keep ya busy for a while.

 

[WildCat]

Here's your calculation:

Pilot moves the yoke.

Plane turns and goes north of Citgo.

As the plane approaches the Pentagon, the pilot pulls back on the yoke
and the plane goes up and over the Pentagon.

And the PfffT wonders why no one takes them seriously!

 

[The Big Dog]

Could not fly NOC? Why not? Is there some sort of black hole north of the
Annex, or gas station?

You guys are wasting my time. Somebody must be paying you all to write this
garbage, nobody can be that naive.

Hey Turbo, Fat Aldo was kind enough to post a screen cap of the CIT NOC flight path that they showed to Lloyde here:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/799975/1/

Why don't you follow up and show us the calculations for that flight path, and show that an airliner could actually fly that path. After that, kindly throw in the calculations of the descent and pull up and over.

Maybe SPreston can lend a hand? Cap'n Bob?
Thanks.

 

[Turbofan]

LMAO what reason does Lloyd have to tell the truth or make any effort to explain anything to a bunch of meddling kids who are just going to twist what he says to suit themselves anyway. One thing from the movie I agree with, he's sharp. And it was even mentioned in the movie that they found his willingness to be interviewed strange.

What twisting? Lloyd was free to speak on his own.

Give me an example of twisting during this interview please.

 

[nicepants]

As for him getting caught in a lie,

Since when does being wrong automatically mean he is lying?

 

[beachnut]

Once again, are the official pictures staged, or is Lloyd telling the truth in
this latest video.

Pick one

Or the truth.

CIT are dolts and can't figure out 9/11. End of story.

You failed to figure out the FDR and support idiots on 9/11.

 

[twinstead]

I really think CIT should be going about finding a witness, ANY witness, that saw a flyover instead of hounding an old man 7 years after the event.

 

[chillzero]

Derail posts removed. This is not a thread about where the plane hit, or whether the hole is the right size. (It's also not really about the Citgo, apart from very peripherally). Please keep on topic.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[HawksFan]

So, the seat is only made of leather? No metal frame or padding under the leather? Just a big 'ole chunk of leather stuck in the back?

Man, Lincoln must really be cheaping out on their interiors.