Merged Lloyd England: Eye of the Storm
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uruk
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Simple, The tip of the pole jammed into the backseat in between the seat and seat back and snagged on the seat back. You can clearly see the trear in the seat back cushion in Craig's photos. The dashboard acted as a fulcrum which kept the end of the pole away from the hood. You can see it Lloyd's crude drawing.
What funny is that you "investigators" can't seem to figure that out.
TexasJack
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Now that's a subject CIT is truly qualified in.
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And yet you guys think that some guys who think they saw the plane pass on the north side of the CITGO dispite all the physical evidence are the gospel truth?
Hypocrits.
And Turbofan's account, please.
Caustic Logic
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We finally see the back seat! Scientifical forensics, no. Valuable evidence gathered? Yes. I was always under the impression that his back seat was not damaged. Yet in this video we can see a rip in the middle, near the seat belt buckles, several inches long. Light pole diameter was app. 8 inches at the base, even narrower at the end (5"?). The cameraman (didn't sound like Aldo) says the hole is too small. This sounds important. We see points where Craig took photos for more detail. Oddly (??), I did not see a photo taken of this key damage.
I challenge CIT to provide a photo or high res video still to illustrate just how tiny this rip is that it couldn't accommodate the light pole. I had previously sided with Pickering that Lloyd must have remembered wrong, and a smaller section had done the damage, but with this anchor point, it's appearing more possible that the segment he cites - which looks about 20 to maybe 25 feet long - really did lodge itself in his car.
I challenge CIT to provide a photo or high res video still to illustrate just how tiny this rip is that it couldn't accommodate the light pole. I had previously sided with Pickering that Lloyd must have remembered wrong, and a smaller section had done the damage, but with this anchor point, it's appearing more possible that the segment he cites - which looks about 20 to maybe 25 feet long - really did lodge itself in his car.
SezMe
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Nope, sorry you don't get it. 9/11 was an inside job because a tear on the back seat of a cab disproves the whole Official Theory. Please try to keep up.
Flight path and calculations for the CIT Flight path
Sorry. If you will just call up the FAA, I think they will provide you with all the data you require. Maybe you haven't heard, but the FAA released a corrected version of the official flight path via video mpg on 9-12-2008. Isn't that good news? It is so nice to finally be getting all this support. (1 AWA 714 pentagon_more2.mpg (mpg file, 12 mb) and the file is available for free download to your hard drive from aal77.com)
I think it was those excellent interviews with the Arlington National Cemetery (ANC) workers, which figuratively were the straws that broke the camel's back. Those ANC guys are everyday common honest working people just like me and yo...... well like me anyway. Their interviews were so clear and precise; the video and audio of a much better quality than that of these Mainstream Media propagandists. Did you get a chance to watch them? Excellent.
Isn't it odd that the Center for Military History (CMH), which interviewed hundreds of eyewitnesses way back in 2001, censored all those interviews including the CIT ANC eyewitnesses, from the American public? Who would have expected that the CMH, when ordered by FOIA to release a dozen of those interviews, would REDACT the names from the documents? I wonder why they did that?
But those enterprising CIT investigators tracked the ANC guys down anyway, reinterviewed them, and TRUTH has emerged from the dark caverns of censorship and totalitarianism. Our founding fathers would be proud.
Those ANC guys were in a perfect position to see that decoy aircraft coming straight at them from over the Naval Annex. I especially appreciated how they described that bank to the right, but still North of the Citgo with that little model plane. Who thought of that? Good job.
Apparently those ANC interviews were convincing to the FAA. They still seem a bit confused about where the aircraft came from (across the Potomac) and that aircraft is impacting the 3rd or4th floor in their video with the right wingtip almost touching the lawn 60 feet below. But that's not a big deal. They will figure it out; they have open minds.
And the light poles .... ummmm.... well they are way way way over to the south with the generator and the hill and the taxi ... completely out of reach ... but don't worry. Lloyde England is working on that. He will fix it.
Anyway, check with the FAA. They can probably help you.
Just a few of our founding fathers and their warnings:
"Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire: a dangerous servant and a terrible master".
~ George Washington p1789-1797
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
~Thomas Jefferson p1801-1809
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
~James Madison p1809-1817
Gee, if I can find that number. I do want to help. Darn.16.5 said:
Sorry. If you will just call up the FAA, I think they will provide you with all the data you require. Maybe you haven't heard, but the FAA released a corrected version of the official flight path via video mpg on 9-12-2008. Isn't that good news? It is so nice to finally be getting all this support. (1 AWA 714 pentagon_more2.mpg (mpg file, 12 mb) and the file is available for free download to your hard drive from aal77.com)
I think it was those excellent interviews with the Arlington National Cemetery (ANC) workers, which figuratively were the straws that broke the camel's back. Those ANC guys are everyday common honest working people just like me and yo...... well like me anyway. Their interviews were so clear and precise; the video and audio of a much better quality than that of these Mainstream Media propagandists. Did you get a chance to watch them? Excellent.
Isn't it odd that the Center for Military History (CMH), which interviewed hundreds of eyewitnesses way back in 2001, censored all those interviews including the CIT ANC eyewitnesses, from the American public? Who would have expected that the CMH, when ordered by FOIA to release a dozen of those interviews, would REDACT the names from the documents? I wonder why they did that?
But those enterprising CIT investigators tracked the ANC guys down anyway, reinterviewed them, and TRUTH has emerged from the dark caverns of censorship and totalitarianism. Our founding fathers would be proud.
Those ANC guys were in a perfect position to see that decoy aircraft coming straight at them from over the Naval Annex. I especially appreciated how they described that bank to the right, but still North of the Citgo with that little model plane. Who thought of that? Good job.
Apparently those ANC interviews were convincing to the FAA. They still seem a bit confused about where the aircraft came from (across the Potomac) and that aircraft is impacting the 3rd or4th floor in their video with the right wingtip almost touching the lawn 60 feet below. But that's not a big deal. They will figure it out; they have open minds.
And the light poles .... ummmm.... well they are way way way over to the south with the generator and the hill and the taxi ... completely out of reach ... but don't worry. Lloyde England is working on that. He will fix it.
Anyway, check with the FAA. They can probably help you.
Just a few of our founding fathers and their warnings:
"Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. It is a force, like fire: a dangerous servant and a terrible master".
~ George Washington p1789-1797
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
~Thomas Jefferson p1801-1809
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
~James Madison p1809-1817
Not quite denialboy.
If you would have watched the video like any responsible researcher would do,
you would have seen that CIT showed Lloyd several photos of himself and the
cab.
Lloyd acknowledges the photos, but then denies he was ever there.
You all continue to attack CIT instead of taking in the message from the video.
Caustic, that's some pretty strong leather to hold up a street lamp.
Unbelievable excuses here.
DavidJames
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Has CIT contacted anyone who can do something to bring justice (police/insurance fraud/DA/Lawyer/etc. If so who, how and what was the result. Please provide specific details.
As long as CIT refuses to actually do something with their "evidence" other then produce video's, I have no choice but to consider CIT frauds and con artists.
For those of you supporting them, I have to ask you, why does it not bother you that they aren't trying to achieve justice?
As long as CIT refuses to actually do something with their "evidence" other then produce video's, I have no choice but to consider CIT frauds and con artists.
For those of you supporting them, I have to ask you, why does it not bother you that they aren't trying to achieve justice?
CurtC
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Coming from anyone else, I'd read this as a very good use of sarcasm, but since you seem to be on CIT's side, I'm wondering how you can state something so sarcastically, but somehow believe the words.
Lloyd sees pictures of himself and his cab, he admits it's him and his cab, yet this 70 year old man, seven years later, thinks he was down the road a couple hundred feet instead of in that position. Most reasonable people would say "no, you were over here - see, we have these photos."
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Hi, SPRESTON, I know you are new around here and all, but a few of points about that animation: 1. it has been discussed to death around here, do a search (including the part where it hits the building!!) 2. why don't you give me the calculations for that flight path champ, hell, just tell me how many times the wings would have fallen off with those squared turns?
3. Most importantly, you are ducking the question: you came here spamming the CIT's new video, in which they show Lloyde (the strangely hospitable, open and generous point person of the incredibly vast conspiracy) a number of flight paths that they represented to Lloyde were the true NOC flight path: so, I am sure that you are able to show that an airliner could have actually flown the NOC flight path. Thanks, and save the quotes for the sheep at LC.
/this just in: Lloyde lied! The lemonade that he and his wife served the CIT lying thugs was not fresh squeezed. I repeat NOT FRESH SQUEEZED!
The Big Dog
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That's what I have been saying all along! Now, why don't you put your statement into action! Show us your calculations that show an airliner could have done the NOC flight path: descent over the annex, bank North of CITGO, pull out of the descent, pull out of the bank , and pull up and over the impact site at the Pentagon!
Good luck!
Then you admit CIT was being reasonable, because that is how they presented
the news to Lloyd.
If you watched the video, you would see this. Watch the video, then
discuss it. Stop wasting bandwidth on points that are covered in the
presentation (and I don't mean you specifically).
P.S. It wasn't seven years ago when Llyod gave his first account of this
testimony on video.
Dave Rogers
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As I recall, it was holding up one end of a light pole that was balanced like a see-saw on the hood of the cab. The see-saw analogy makes the need for leather moot.
Dave
Why don't you show me the origin of this claim? That's not what the multiple
witnesses say. Study up.
See-saw? The interior the car is maybe 6 feet from dash to rear seat.
How long and heavy is that light pole?
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O'Rly? Hmm, friend, you best go back and study what Boger and Morin (for two) say about the descent.
Now I agree that none of your NOC witnesses say that the plane pulled out of the descent!! (giggle) they all said the plane hit the Pentagon (Bwhahahahaha!!!!) Can a brother get a laughing dog! (cripes, these CIT fans just keep teeing them up, and we just keep knocking them out of the Park!)
But your heroes at CIT claim the plane pulled up and over the Pentagon, hell look at their animation on their web site. So I am simply going to have to insist that you stop dodging the question!
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