Left media bias re 911 exposed

* Justice cries out for it to be replaced, rather than reformed. Significant reform is impossible, since it serves it's elite masters so well. By 'replaced', I mean that the public has to deliberately turn away from it, not that legislation must put it to an end.


And should the public fail to do so (as I predict with near absolute certainty that it shall), should the public be shot, or just incarcerated for political reeducation?

What's the plan here?

Respectfully,
Myriad

ETA: Someone who can unilaterally declare what the public "has to" do would have to be one of those elite masters you're talking about, right?
 
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And should the public fail to do so (as I predict with near absolute certainty that it shall), should the public be shot, or just incarcerated for political reeducation?

What's the plan here?
The plan is to evangelize, and hope for the best. Because a media replacement is something I would like to work on, but I still need to eat, maybe I could swing a job actually implementing a replacement. Doesn't seem likely, and so right now I'm learning Sharepoint.

I leave shooting people, and forceful reeducation, to despots.
Respectfully,
Myriad

ETA: Someone who can unilaterally declare what the public "has to" do would have to be one of those elite masters you're talking about, right?

Ha, ha. I'd like to say that I'm the "captain of my soul master of my fate", but even that would be an exaggeration. The public "has to" choose rightly, in order for right actions to have a right effect. Just whining to politicians, and the occasional demonstration in front of CBS, ABC, etc. headquarters, will accomplish nothing dramatic and long-lasting.

Likewise, individuals have to choose their diet rightly, in order to have the results of such right actions - health - in their bodies. If they choose junk food, they can whine to politicians all they like, and maybe manage to get free health care, but they're not going to be optimally healthy. They have to choose rightly, if they want what's best for them. (Didn't our mothers all teach us the same thing?)

Stating what to me is an obvious fact in no way implies some sort of mad desire for despotism on my part. Maybe you should be less negative, and consider more positive possible meanings of words you're parsing. If you had, you might have posed your questions in a more respectful manner.

The reason I added the clarification about the public having to choose a superior alternative is because more than a couple of individuals that I proselytized my proposal "Putting the NY Times Out of Business" to had misunderstood, and thought that I was calling for some sort of legislative or regulatory actions to put the NY Times in it's place. You completely misunderstood the intentions of my clarification.
 
Shouldt this thread be int he politics forum?

It wouldn't be totally out of place there, but it makes more sense here. People's beliefs about what happened on 911 derive from what they've read, heard, and seen about it. If the organizations you rely on to bring you this information, and additionally to dig more information up on their own initiative, are, in fact, punting, than the realization that this is so should temper people's proclamations re 911.
 
Need I even ask how non-American media, that is, the media of other nations, fits into all this?
 
The flowchart needs to be nominated for a Stundie. I have seldom seen so much CT Woo concentrated in so small a space.
 
The chart is like a black hole of woo. Its gravitational pull is so strong that nothing, even intelligence, can escape it.
 
People's beliefs about what happened on 911 derive from what they've read, heard, and seen about it..

and there is your fallacy. truthers have no narrative of what happened on 9/11. the reason there has not been new coverage of 9/11 in seven years is there is no new news about 911. Truthers have retreated from whatever narrative they had, Why? because time after time it gets debunked. Don't blame the media. The public has asked you repeatedly to state your case. Instead you have retreated even further beyond 'just asking questions' to just becoming a vapid ideologue.
 
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Wow, $100,000 manages to keep the entire world's media beyond the borders of the USA from bothering to investigate! You actually believe carp like that?
I already listed various international mainstream news outlets that investigated the attacks. The JREF collective's response was:

"Wow the liberal America-hating international media runs stories about 9/11 conspiracy."

Just keep sticking your head in the sand, little Ostrich, and don't come out...

:covereyes
 
Did any of those mainstream international news outlets declare 911 was an inside job?
 
and of course anit-american news outlets would have been happy to report that our Govt was behind 9/11.. funny how those anti-american news outlets happily claim that Al Quaeda was behind it, and that the leaders plan to do more attacks.
 
The plan is to evangelize, and hope for the best. Because a media replacement is something I would like to work on, but I still need to eat, maybe I could swing a job actually implementing a replacement. Doesn't seem likely, and so right now I'm learning Sharepoint.

I leave shooting people, and forceful reeducation, to despots.


Ha, ha. I'd like to say that I'm the "captain of my soul master of my fate", but even that would be an exaggeration. The public "has to" choose rightly, in order for right actions to have a right effect. Just whining to politicians, and the occasional demonstration in front of CBS, ABC, etc. headquarters, will accomplish nothing dramatic and long-lasting.

Likewise, individuals have to choose their diet rightly, in order to have the results of such right actions - health - in their bodies. If they choose junk food, they can whine to politicians all they like, and maybe manage to get free health care, but they're not going to be optimally healthy. They have to choose rightly, if they want what's best for them. (Didn't our mothers all teach us the same thing?)

Stating what to me is an obvious fact in no way implies some sort of mad desire for despotism on my part. Maybe you should be less negative, and consider more positive possible meanings of words you're parsing. If you had, you might have posed your questions in a more respectful manner.

The reason I added the clarification about the public having to choose a superior alternative is because more than a couple of individuals that I proselytized my proposal "Putting the NY Times Out of Business" to had misunderstood, and thought that I was calling for some sort of legislative or regulatory actions to put the NY Times in it's place. You completely misunderstood the intentions of my clarification.


Okay, not a mad desire for despotism, nor even necessarily elitism. But, a hefty measure of simple arrogance nonetheless.

Basically what the article is stating is that the left media doesn't agree with the author's opinion of the importance of certain stories, therefore the left media is biased. And you're extending that same argument farther: the mainstream doesn't agree with the author's opinion (which apparently you share to some degree) of the importance of certain stories, therefore everyone for their own good should reject the media.

Is it not at least equally likely that everyone for their own good should reject your opinions?

What is so special about your opinions, that everyone should go to such enormous lengths to accommodate and promote them? What's in it for, well, everyone?

Please don't mistake those questions for mere rhetorical snarkiness. I ask them to invite whatever answers you can provide. After all, the JREF whose forums these are is not shy about expressing its own wish that the media and the public would behave differently than they do, concerning paranormal claims and social issues connected to religion (among other areas). And its representatives and supporters can give clear answers about why these wishes merit attention -- for example, the harm to individuals caused by bad medical decisions motivated by false claims, and the harm to society caused by bad decision-making stemming from wishful thinking and poor understanding of well-established scientific principles.

I'm not aware of any official JREF position on Alex Jones's work, but those who post here who share the JREF's philosophy generally agree that the media and the public should pay less attention to Alex Jones rather than more, because it's bad, phony science, being promoted to the public despite rejection and refutation by Jones' scientific peers. Bad phony science is something that the JREF and skeptics in general are opposed to. Meanwhile you fault the media for not paying more attention to Jones. So much so that you seem to think people should, and will, reject their current information sources so they can get a bigger dose of bad phony science from Jones.

We note that the media and the public pretty much ignore the JREF's wish that they exercise more critical thinking, despite very good and clear reasons why doing so would be good for them. That's what makes me so confident that they will ignore your wishes too. But in your case, my opinion as a critical thinker is that they should. Your case to the contrary is not convincing.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
I already listed various international mainstream news outlets that investigated the attacks. The JREF collective's response was:

"Wow the liberal America-hating international media runs stories about 9/11 conspiracy."
I trust you can support that claim with examples, yes? You're not just spouting unverifiable opinion as fact, right?
 
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I already listed various international mainstream news outlets that investigated the attacks. The JREF collective's response was:

"Wow the liberal America-hating international media runs stories about 9/11 conspiracy."

Just keep sticking your head in the sand, little Ostrich, and don't come out...

:covereyes

metamars contention is that the MSM internationally, ignores the TM. If you wish to illustrate that his contention is wrong, take it up with him.

He contends, via that chart, that the $100,000 is responsible for the MSM ignoring the TM. You might characterize it as marginalizing the TM as 'crackpots' or , as in the words of one speaker who holds no stock in the TM "Nazi crackpots".

I am making fun of the idea that $100,000 will buy that level of influence, especially with organizations who are definitely unfriendly to the present administration, and in some cases all past USA administrations.

I am making fun of the idea that the "left" is not willing to persue a supposedly obvious path by which they could discredit forever the conservative right wing of the American political scene. Metamars would have us believe that Noam Chomsky is a willing apologist for G.W. Bush and R. Cheney. That is such a hoot , it would be really funny if it were not so tragically saddening that anyone would believe it.
 
metamars contention is that the MSM internationally, ignores the TM. If you wish to illustrate that his contention is wrong, take it up with him.

He contends, via that chart, that the $100,000 is responsible for the MSM ignoring the TM.
MSM <> left alternative media. Furthermore, if you actually bother to look at the graph, you'll see that there is far more money involved than $100,000.


You might characterize it as marginalizing the TM as 'crackpots' or , as in the words of one speaker who holds no stock in the TM "Nazi crackpots".

You seem to have reading comprehension problems. Most arguments about the necessity of conspiracy participation on the part of journalists, made by debunkers, completely ignore sociological and psychological context and arguments. IMO, when "debunkers" insist on doing this, even after it's been pointed out that this is too limited, they are showing just how uncritical their thinking is.

Since the nature of main stream media is different from left alternative media, one shouldn't blithely apply arguments made to MSM to the left alternative media, without considering inherent differences, also. Being a "follow the money" sort of conspiracy theorist, paying close attention to any differences regarding funding needs no justification.

Do please note that intelligent journalists, looking at the defects of their own profession, do not shy away from nuanced arguments or considering the problem multi-faceted. Gee, just think of all that "debunkers" could learn from intelligent journalists - but never will!

I am making fun of the idea that $100,000 will buy that level of influence, especially with organizations who are definitely unfriendly to the present administration, and in some cases all past USA administrations.
Your math stinks. Even if you got the math right, it's silly to apply any sort of 1-1 argument re "buying influence". Money isn't all there is to influencing an organization. I simply pointed out yet another facet of the problem, though it's often a major facet.

BTW, I've never checked this, but I consider it a slam dunk that one way to identify a left gatekeeper organization is to see if they've covered the topic of left gatekeeping, itself, seriously.

I am making fun of the idea that the "left" is not willing to persue a supposedly obvious path by which they could discredit forever the conservative right wing of the American political scene. Metamars would have us believe that Noam Chomsky is a willing apologist for G.W. Bush and R. Cheney. That is such a hoot , it would be really funny if it were not so tragically saddening that anyone would believe it.

Metamars would have you believe that Noam Chomsky is in denial. When Chomsky writes serious rebuttals to 911 truth literature, instead of dismissing it all as based on "rumors", then maybe I'll come out with a new opinion about Chomsky and 911.
 
BTW, I've never checked this, but I consider it a slam dunk that one way to identify a left gatekeeper organization is to see if they've covered the topic of left gatekeeping, itself, seriously.

So if a leftist organisation doesn't take the idea of left gatekeeping seriously, then the only possibility is that it's a left gatekeeper? That sounds to me rather like the way you identify a witch. If she claims that there's no such thing as witchcraft, then she's guilty.

Dave
 

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