Homeopathy - I am ready for open challenge

muntadev2in said:
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Moving this thread to the correct forum section. Please bear in mind now that the discussion must remain strictly on topic, to the development of an application / protocol.
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muntadev2in said:
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Splendid :)

What did you think of the test protocol I suggested in post #14?

Do you understand why your test protocol needs to take that sort of form, and do you accept that necessity?

Have you tested yourself using that sort of test protocol, and if so what were the results?
 
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He has returned. Good.

Please share what sort of protocol you are suggesting for the application for the challenge and we will provide feedback.

The protocol needs to hold at least this basic information: What is the claim? You need to be very specific about what you are claiming you can do or "prove".
 
muntadev2in said:
Dear critics of Homeopathy,

I am Dr.Devendra Kumar munta viswakarma MD(Homeo).Long back I had posted a thread "Homeopathy not a placebo". It is known to the JREF regular users.

I am back again with my positive experimental results with Homeoapthic medicines.

Now I am ready for open challenge to prove that Homeopathic dilutions are different from alcohol or water.

Prior to comment, you can have a look at my experimental results and my proposed natural laws upon which Homeopathic dilutions effecting living beings on the earth.

Please have a look at http://homeoresearch.blogspot.com

You can reach me@: muntadev2in@yahoo.co.in

Have a brainfeed.

Ready for challenge.

Dr.Devendra Kumar munta
MD(Homeo)
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Welcome muntadev2n,

This looks like a very easily testable claim. Have you actually applied for the MDC yet? There are many people who are eager to assist you in formulating an acceptable protocol. Keep in mind, we can only unofficially assist you. We (most of us) don't speak for JREF.

Any information you can provide here about how you intend to prove that homeopathic dilutions are different from water or alcohol would very much help us along.

Thanks,

Tim
 
Hello Muntadev and good luck,

I read your blog and saw that you did a spectral breakdown of your recorded data. What software/method did you use? Your methodology section indicated that you took samples at one minute intervals for 30 minutes. Is that correct? With those constraints, one can only make meaningful statements about frequencies between 0.00056 Hz and 0.00833 Hz. The graphs on your front page are from 0 to 0.5 Hz. Could you please explain why?


my math - For spectral information of a time signal, the upper frequency limit before aliasing occurs is determined by one half of the sampling rate (see Nyquist frequency): 1/(2*60) = 0.00833 Hz. The lower bound is determined by the total length of the sample: 1/(30min*60) = 0.00056 Hz.
 
Please open a new thread in Science for discussion on homeopathy, etc. This thread is for the discussion of a protocol and claim only.
 
muntadev2in,

if you feel ready to take the Million Dollar Challenge, then what you should do first is actually apply - as soon as possible. Protocol discussion is possible but premature at this point: application comes first, protocol negotiations next. Keep in mind that all you need to apply is a claim; you don't need to have your experiment completely prepared. Also, after you apply, you'll start getting valuable feedback from JREF which may help in designing a protocol acceptable by both parties.

In order to apply, you'll need an academic affidavit and a proof of media presence, and these might take some efforts to get, so this is what you should focus on first.
 
PingOfPong said:
Hello Muntadev and good luck,

Your methodology section indicated that you took samples at one minute intervals for 30 minutes. .
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In case of gelsemium- 2 sec interval and sulphur- 1sec interval, for 10mits.
in case of recent exp I conducted.
 
How to apply for MDC, whether I have to send application along with the description of my trail on a separate paper I dint get. Please help me?

To all of them who are participated in this discussion with respect,

I am working in Mumbai which is 1200km away from my native place, I am working as senior research fellow under CCRH. I am getting only 8 Casual leaves per year. Even after hard work for 8 1/2 years in the field, we can’t get any secured job in India, this is the fate of a Homeopath in India.

Last month I went to home on loss of pay and conducted experiments with Sulphur 200c,
I will surely apply for MDC. I need your suggestions on protocol,

I also want to conduct some more preliminary tests as per your suggestions,

Why I have posted this topic in this forum is, It is my intension to ask J.RANDI to remove "Homeopathy" name from MDC. My results are the proof for Homeopathic dilutions are not simply water or alcohol.

I hope I will be posted to a nearby research centre to my home town soon, I am requesting Director, CCRH,India. If it happened I will be ready for MDC, by conducting some more preliminary tests.

Even then I am applying for MDC now.

I am writing this, not to get any sympathy. I am preparing myself for the challenge.

Thanks all,

Dr.Devendra kumar munta.
 
muntadev2in said:
How to apply for MDC, whether I have to send application along with the description of my trail on a separate paper I dint get. Please help me?

To all of them who are participated in this discussion with respect,

I am working in Mumbai which is 1200km away from my native place, I am working as senior research fellow under CCRH. I am getting only 8 Casual leaves per year. Even after hard work for 8 1/2 years in the field, we can’t get any secured job in India, this is the fate of a Homeopath in India.

Last month I went to home on loss of pay and conducted experiments with Sulphur 200c,
I will surely apply for MDC. I need your suggestions on protocol,

I also want to conduct some more preliminary tests as per your suggestions,

Why I have posted this topic in this forum is, It is my intension to ask J.RANDI to remove "Homeopathy" name from MDC. My results are the proof for Homeopathic dilutions are not simply water or alcohol.

I hope I will be posted to a nearby research centre to my home town soon, I am requesting Director, CCRH,India. If it happened I will be ready for MDC, by conducting some more preliminary tests.

Even then I am applying for MDC now.

I am writing this, not to get any sympathy. I am preparing myself for the challenge.

Thanks all,

Dr.Devendra kumar munta.
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Here you go.

Make sure to read the rules carefully and do not hesitate to ask any questions.
 
muntadev2in said:
I need your suggestions on protocol
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Looking back at my first suggestion I don't think I made adequate allowance for your need to gather history, nor for the fact that (if I understand your claim correctly) it's changes in skin temperature rather than absolute skin temperature that you believe shows the effect of the homeopathic remedy.

So here's a second attempt at a suggested protocol:

Day 1

1. At time X (to be specified by you) measure and record the skin temperature of the volunteers
2. At time Y (to be specified by you) measure and record the skin temperature of the volunteers

Day 2

1. At time X measure and record the skin temperature of the volunteers
2. The volunteers then consume your chosen homeopathic remedy
3. At time Y measure and record the skin temperature of the volunteers

You may need to repeats Days 1 and 2 a few times to collect sufficient data. That's OK, as long as you specify in advance how many times you intend to repeat them.

When you are ready:

Day 3

1. Ten placebos and ten homeopathic remedies are prepared and labelled, the labels covered up and the bottles shuffled.
2. At time X measure and record the skin temperature of the volunteers
3. The volunteers then pick a bottle at random and consume the contents
4. At time Y measure and record the skin temperature of the volunteers
5. State which volunteers you believe took the placebo and which the remedy
6. The labels are removed and if you correctly identified more than N (number to be agreed between you and JREF before the test is run) you are deemed to have passed the preliminary test

For the final test (assuming you pass the preliminary) it should only be necessary to repeat day 3, with perhaps a higher value for N (again agreed between you and JREF in advance).

Does that sound like something approaching an acceptable protocol?

I also want to conduct some more preliminary tests as per your suggestions
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This is good to hear. I strongly advise you to do a version of this test (using fewer volunteers perhaps) as soon as possible. The results may surprise you, and save you a lot of wasted time and effort.
 
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