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Joe the Plumber

geni said:
Again joe management consultant doesn't work. McCain needed a blue collar worker who would be worse off. Problem is there are not many ways a blue collar worker can rack up $250K. Any such standin would leave McCain open to attacks. Joe plumber was a convient shield.
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Again, "Joe" ain't the issue. Obama is the one running for president and it is his answer to "Joe" that is causing all the ruckus, even if the msm refuses to acknowledge it.
 
He had to be in on the fact that McCain was going to mention him at the debate since there was a camera person at his house taking pictures of him watching the debate. He's innocent as 5-day old snow in the gutter.
 
SezMe said:
He's innocent as 5-day old snow in the gutter.
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Innocent? What is he guilty of other than asking Obama, who was standing in front of his house, a question? Next thing the libs will say this was a "false flag" operation.
 
leftysergeant said:
The tax structure that Obama is advocating does not take the money out of the hands of the middle class to subsidize the financial sector piggies. It takes it out of the hands of the financial sector piggies to help the real source of America's wealth to survive.
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And his tax plan for targeted relief is a clever pitch because he can pose a middle-class tax cutter while disguising one of the largest tax hikes in history on the other 5% One wonders how he might conjure the miracle when more than one-third of Americans are already paying no income taxes at all. There are several ways to cast it, but my favorite is to redefine the meaning of "tax cut"


leftysergeant said:
A tax plan that encourages small, rather than mega businesses is better for the country because it keeps money circulating from one hand to the next, not floating to the top where the scavengers can grab it all.
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Except there is no wealthy corporation. Stockholders of corporations that hold in their business operations a lot of money (retained earnings) and assets may be wealthy, but the corporations themselves aren't wealthy. It's nonsense, it's populist rhetoric that just sounds good. If you've got beef with anyone then go after the CEO's who set up such that when their corporations fail and they resign, they get huge bonuses. Getting rid of that idiotic system which rewards them for irresponsible business practices which place the status of employees in lower levels of their corporations in jeopardy would be a great start.
 
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Cicero said:
Investigate the questioner, but not question Obama's answer? That sure sounds like what passes for msm reporters these days.
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Mainstream news media is a branch of the entertainment industry. I expect about as much from them where ethical conduct is concerned as I do from ambulance-chasing tort lawyers or used car salesmen. The point is that they aren't running for president of the United States. Senator John McCain is, and while I believe that he was once an honorable man, his conduct during this campaign does not meet the standard we expect from a Senator, let alone a president.

I mean, please -- he drags poor Joe into the debate, and now it's Obama's fault that the vultures descended? Do you think that speaks well of McCain's willingness to accept responsibility, and hence to occupy the ultimate position of responsibility in our government?
 
Cicero said:
Again, "Joe" ain't the issue. Obama is the one running for president and it is his answer to "Joe" that is causing all the ruckus, even if the msm refuses to acknowledge it.
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McCain would beg to differ. If Joe wasn't important McCain didn't have to bring him up.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
And his tax plan for targeted relief is a clever pitch because he can pose a middle-class tax cutter while disguising one of the largest tax hikes in history on the other 5% One wonders how he might conjure the miracle when more than one-third of Americans are already paying no income taxes at all. There are several ways to cast it, but my favorite is to redefine the meaning of "tax cut"
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Not at all. Tax cuts in a single area are a widely accepted method and are part of sound economic management.


Except there is no wealthy corporation. Stockholders of corporations that hold in their business operations a lot of money (retained earnings) and assets may be wealthy, but the corporations themselves aren't wealthy. It's nonsense, it's populist rhetoric that just sounds good.
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Corporations are legal persons. To suggest a legal person cannot be wealthy is rather odd. Appart from anything else your position would require that a companies share price never fall below the value of it's assets. This isn't actualy the case.

If you've got beef with anyone then go after the CEO's who set up such that when their corporations fail and they resign, they get huge bonuses. Getting rid of that idiotic system which rewards them for irresponsible business practices which place the status of employees in lower levels of their corporations in jeopardy would be a great start.
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That isn't generaly considered to be a matter for goverment.
 
Dymanic said:
Mainstream news media is a branch of the entertainment industry. I expect about as much from them where ethical conduct is concerned as I do from ambulance-chasing tort lawyers or used car salesmen. The point is that they aren't running for president of the United States. Senator John McCain is, and while I believe that he was once an honorable man, his conduct during this campaign does not meet the standard we expect from a Senator, let alone a president.

I mean, please -- he drags poor Joe into the debate, and now it's Obama's fault that the vultures descended? Do you think that speaks well of McCain's willingness to accept responsibility, and hence to occupy the ultimate position of responsibility in our government?
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"Joe" isn't running for president either. Who said it was Obama's fault? How can McCain mention what Obama said without mentioning that "Joe" asked Obama the question? How is using Obama's words "spread the wealth" dishonorable?
 
Cicero said:
How does McCain bring up Obama's answer without mentioning "Joe's" question?
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Trivialy:

"That one (okey "senator obama" might be a better choice of phraseing) belives in speading wealth around rather than allowing people to keep their hard earned money."

Of course it is unlikely that obama would have much trouble hiting back on that one (tax cuts for the hard working middle class who need it most etc etc) which is why McCain choses to use Joe as a shield.
 
Cicero said:
Who said it was Obama's fault?
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McCain did, at a rally today at Florida International University.

Here's the McCain quote again:

“The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe,” Mr. McCain said. “People are digging through his personal life, and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn’t ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn’t recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.”

And here's the link again.
 
Cicero said:
Again, "Joe" ain't the issue. Obama is the one running for president and it is his answer to "Joe" that is causing all the ruckus, even if the msm refuses to acknowledge it.
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Joe ain't the part of the issue you want to focus on. Joe hasn't run away from the spotlight either. McCain seems to be putting him more and more in the spotlight too ...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...lls-joe-the-plumber-invites-him-on-the-trail/

“I talked to him this morning for the first time ever,” said McCain. “And I want to tell you his sprits are good and he’s a tough guy. He is what small business people all over this country are all about. They are tough and they are good and they want to get ahead and they want to keep their money.”

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Whether Joe is there in person or not, he is certainly a star at McCain events. McCain urged others at the rally to contact Joe and share their support. “Send Joe an email and tell him you are with him, ok,” said McCain.
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He's a part of the issue. Get over it, or don't. Whining about it though isn't going to make it not so.
 
"Joe the Plumber" ... the Ronald McDonald mascot of the Unremarkable Mediocrity Proletariat contingent of the Republican voting base, elevated to hero status.

It's like Bizarro World Marxist propaganda.
 
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negativ said:
"Joe the Plumber" ... the Ronald McDonald mascot of the Unremarkable Mediocrity Proletariat contingent of the Republican voting base, elevated to hero status.

It's like Bizarro World Marxist propaganda.
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"Ronald Mc Donald/Mr Burns/Elastigirl 2008".
 
Grizzly Bear said:
And his tax plan for targeted relief is a clever pitch because he can pose a middle-class tax cutter while disguising one of the largest tax hikes in history on the other 5% One wonders how he might conjure the miracle when more than one-third of Americans are already paying no income taxes at all. There are several ways to cast it, but my favorite is to redefine the meaning of "tax cut"
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The tax cut mostly benefits those above the poverty level, but below the level at which they could live for two or three years without turning a hand again to do anything useful. It may annoy the people in the top 5%, but those little piggies have been getting a free ride for too long already and not done much of anything for the rest of society. I'm sick of hearing them whine. We are having to bail them out from their stupidity and greed now.




Except there is no wealthy corporation. Stockholders of corporations that hold in their business operations a lot of money (retained earnings) and assets may be wealthy, but the corporations themselves aren't wealthy.
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The Walton larvae and anybody like them should be paying about twice what they are now. They have been taking more than a spoonful of sugar out of the kitty.

Thjere simply is no excuse to give a tax break to parasites who move jobs off shore. One of the proposals I have heard that appeals to me is to give a tax credit for each new family-wage job created. Targeted tax cuts work. Across-the-board tax cuts, even to those who close down jobs, are just plain stupid.

In case you haven't noticed, some littler moron gave his voter base a big tax cut in the middle of a war and ran us into a debt that will not be paid off in my son's life time. You want him to help pay off the gift the weasel from Crawford gave his donors? I don't.

If you've got beef with anyone then go after the CEO's who set up such that when their corporations fail and they resign, they get huge bonuses. Getting rid of that idiotic system which rewards them for irresponsible business practices which place the status of employees in lower levels of their corporations in jeopardy would be a great start.
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Tax severance packages at 75% if the company is still in tact, 200% if they are in bankruptcy. That should teach them.
 
Joe may begin having a few choice words for McCain making such a celebrity out of him. Joe could very well lose his drivers license because of the spotlight McCain put on him ...

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/128323

The man portrayed by McCain to be the typical, hardworking American revealed this week that he actually does not have a plumbing license, and now court records show he should not have a driver's license either, making it potentially even harder for him to get to work.

Wurzelbacher, who lived in Mesa in 2000 and had an Arizona driver's license, had his driver's license suspended by the Arizona Department of Transportation Motor Vehicle Division on May 4, 2000, following a nonpayment of a court-imposed fine for civil traffic violations, according to court records.

America's new political icon, who owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes, according to public records, still owes more than $700 to the Mesa court system.

Records show he was cited for failure to stop at a red light and for failure to provide proof of insurance on Feb. 9, 2000, in a black Dodge truck at the intersection of Dobson and Baseline roads in Mesa.

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The only way "Joe the Plumber" could have slipped through the cracks is a clerical error in which his driving records were not entered into the Problem Driver Pointer System, the national database of information about people with a checkered driving past, said Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles spokeswoman Lindsay Komlanc.

Komlanc added if the Ohio BMV were to receive the information, appropriate action could be taken, including suspension of his Ohio license.
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Opps.
 
The whole "Joe the Plumber" incident is rather embarrassing to me, as an American.

I think it is outrageous to pour over this guy's personal data to trash him for political purposes. I was outraged to listen to the Bill Press Show as he trashed Joe the Plumber.

McCain shouldn't have brought him up, at least not so many times, and it is predictable that this press flurry would ensue, but the people who engaged in it should really be ashamed of themselves. And, having exposed this poor guy to the spotlight, McCain should realize his mistake and shut up about Joe the Plumber, completely, but of coure he hasn't.

I just hope Joe was smart enough to get paid for some of those interviews.
 
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Meadmaker said:
And, having exposed this poor guy to the spotlight, McCain should realize his mistake and shut up about Joe the Plumber, completely...
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Just the opposite is going to happen, as rumours swirl that Joe may appear on the trail!

Buchanan did say that the Arizona Senator invited Ohio’s most famous voter to meet up with the campaign but did not set up any specific stops.

McCain has a rally in that state on Sunday but Buchanan said she didn’t know whether Murzelbacher would appear.

When asked why he called Joe, Buchanan said, “I think he just wanted to reach out to him.”

Whether Joe is there in person or not, he is certainly a star at McCain events.
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Has McCain completely lost his mind?! :boggled:
 
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