Joe the Plumber

[Drysdale]

I don't disagree with what you say above, but if he's gotten to the point of getting a tax lien against him by the State, and he doesn't know he owes back taxes by that time, he needs to learn to open his mail.

It's not necessarily a big deal, but it's just one of those indicators to me that this guy is no where close to being able to buy (or even run) a business with an income of $250K.

Why? So noone successful has or has ever had a lien on their home?

 

[Drysdale]

Why did he rmisrepresent himself?

Are you privvy to the discussions he's had with his employer?
How do we know they have'nt talked about a business transaction?

Why is it his question isnt considered legitimate?

 

[Pookster]

Why? So noone successful has or has ever had a lien on their home?

I'm sure they have. Why do you ask?

 

[Upchurch]

Sure I have. Has that prevented the media from running with it?

The media running with it has nothing to do with whether they collectively like or dislike something (if such a thing is possible). The media running with it has little to do with ruining the guy's life.

McCain bears the responsibility of aiming the public spotlight on this guy's life. Joe bears the responsibility for any exaggeration (to put it generously) that he made while asking Obama his question.

 

[Pookster]

Why did he rmisrepresent himself?

Are you privvy to the discussions he's had with his employer?
How do we know they have'nt talked about a business transaction?

Why is it his question isnt considered legitimate?

To begin with, its been reported that the business doesn't have the income that was stated.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4130105&postcount=15

No, I'm not privy to the discussions he's had with his employer. But he can't seem to even pay his back taxes that has been owed for several years, much less buy a company with an income of 250K.

The question itself is legitimate, but he presented himself as someone he's not to create a gotcha moment in front of cameras.

 

[neltana]

Wouldn't it be weird if it turned out that Joe the Plumber used to be in the Weather Underground?

How do I go about starting that rumor?

All kidding aside...so maybe he didn't foresee that he would be caught out in his fabrications. But, the story should still be focusing on the candidates and their answers, not the folks asking the questions.

Or is Joe on the ballot in some states? That wouldn't actually shock me.

 

[Pookster]

Wouldn't it be weird if it turned out that Joe the Plumber used to be in the Weather Underground?

How do I go about starting that rumor?

All kidding aside...so maybe he didn't foresee that he would be caught out in his fabrications. But, the story should still be focusing on the candidates and their answers, not the folks asking the questions.

Or is Joe on the ballot in some states? That wouldn't actually shock me.

The story has focused on Obama, McCain, and Joe. They're all part of the story. Joe isn't getting anything he doesn't deserve. Joe is a big boy though. He'll live.

 

[Dymanic]

A New York Times article
reports that at a rally today at Florida International University, McCain claimed that Obama "attacked" Joe the Plumber:

“The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe,” Mr. McCain said. “People are digging through his personal life, and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn’t ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn’t recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.”

So now it was Obama who showed up and Joe's house, and it was Obama who went digging into Joe's personal life. Not the press; Obama.

McCain apparently wants the presidency so badly that he is willing to say absolutely anything he thinks might have a chance of discrediting his opponent. He has sacrificed his honor and his personal integrity on the altar of this election.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Even more ironically, “Joe” Wurzelbacher is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher. Robert Wurzelbacher is Charles Keating's son-in-law. Robert Wurzelbacher was a senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of Lincoln Savings.

So has the Keating connection been substantiated yet? I've only been able to see it mentioned in blogs.

ETA: What exactly is the "close relative"? Father? Cousin? Uncle?

 

[leftysergeant]

The fill-in host on Thom Hartmann's AAR show this morniung stated that there is no apparent relationship with Keating. He ducks that bullet.

He does not duck the bullet that really has his name on it. There is no evidence that he would have enough cash to buy that lucrative a business after only 15 years as a plumber even if he had paid no income taxes in his life time.. There is no proof that he is even competant to run a business. There is no record that he was ever trained as a plumber, even at an apprentice level.

A woamn called Ed Schultz today, identifying herself as Joe's aunt. Short version, his elevator don't reach the top floor.

Nothing that she claimed seems to contradict what the press is saying about him.

 

[Cicero]

I don't think he was a plant, but I think he purposely misrepresented things in his question to Obama. I do get the impression he wanted to put Obama on the spot with his fake scenario too.

Obama was outside "Joe's" house, so the guy stepped up and asked him a question. How would you like your entire life examined for any irregularities just because you asked a Dem Presidential candidate a question that just happened to offer an answer by the candidate where he said he wanted to "share the wealth." The liberal media is acting like the KGB.

BTW: Dem Charlie Rangel, Chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means, chief tax-writing committee of the United States House of Representatives, owes $10.8K in back taxes. That's 10 times what "Joe" owes. Charlie better not ask any tax questions of a presidential candidate.

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Tu Queque is a fallacy for a reason.

 

[The Painter]

BTW: Dem Charlie Rangel, Chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means, chief tax-writing committee of the United States House of Representatives, owes $10.8K in back taxes. That's 10 times what "Joe" owes. Charlie better not ask any tax questions of a presidential candidate.

You got that right. Why don't we hear about Ol' Charlie Rangel tax problems and his vacation homes in the Dominican Republic? Joe the Plumber is so much more important than Rangel.

You have all been duped. Oh look over there, it's Joe the Plumber. I Don't give a ◊◊◊◊ what Joe the Plumber said. I do give a ◊◊◊◊ what Obama said to Joe the Plumber. Obama said "spread the wealth". Carl Marx said the same thing. Obama has a socialist agenda, that he tries to keep on the down low, It slipped out.

 

[leftysergeant]

How would you like your entire life examined for any irregularities just because you asked a Dem Presidential candidate a question that just happened to offer an answer by the candidate where he said he wanted to "share the wealth." The liberal media is acting like the KGB.

There you go again. We are not allowed, in your world, to question the motives or native intelligence of a blow-hard dimbulb who thinks that government is keeping him from being all that he could be. (Isn't that a symptom of paranoia?)

And stop with the "share the wealth" crap. He said, "spread the wealth around." In the context in which he used it, he was referring to the policy of encouraging start-ups and small businesses so that those small businesses could create family-wage jobs.

Screw the Waltons. They have enough money to live and are using the remainder to buy our jobs out from under us. The small business man needs a break on his taxes the first few years. And, if he provides a few family-wage jobs to his neighbors, he is doing a lot more good for the country than the Walton larvae.

So who should get a tax break?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

You got that right. Why don't we hear about Ol' Charlie Rangel tax problems and his vacation homes in the Dominican Republic? Joe the Plumber is so much more important than Rangel.

You have all been duped. Oh look over there, it's Joe the Plumber. I Don't give a ◊◊◊◊ what Joe the Plumber said. I do give a ◊◊◊◊ what Obama said to Joe the Plumber. Obama said "spread the wealth". Carl Marx said the same thing. Obama has a socialist agenda, that he tries to keep on the down low, It slipped out.

Uhm... you know hwat? Socalism. It's not a dirty word. (Also, to be nitpicky, that's Karl Marx)

 

[Cicero]

There you go again. We are not allowed, in your world, to question the motives or native intelligence of a blow-hard dimbulb who thinks that government is keeping him from being all that he could be. (Isn't that a symptom of paranoia?)

And stop with the "share the wealth" crap. He said, "spread the wealth around." In the context in which he used it, he was referring to the policy of encouraging start-ups and small businesses so that those small businesses could create family-wage jobs.

Not allowed? There are network and cable satellite trucks parked in front of "Joe's " house. How many satellite trucks did the networks send out to Ayers house when Obama's association with him was revealed? Zero. Of course, the press should not be in front of either house. What motives did "Joe" have? To be the object of scorn and ridicule by the left leaning media? How could he possibly know that Obama would say what he said?

Obviously, you and the left msm think the question was out of bounds. Why? Because you and the left msm must have a problem with Obama's answer. Otherwise, why deflect the scrutiny to "Joe" from what Obama said?

Please explain the distinction without a difference between "spread the wealth" and "share the wealth?" Sure seems like class warfare no matter how you slice it, dice it, or spread it.

 

[leftysergeant]

Not allowed? There are network and cable satellite trucks parked in front of "Joe's " house. How many satellite trucks did the networks send out to Ayers house when Obama's association with him was revealed? Zero.

Because there was nopthing of interest in Ayers. Joe shot his mouth off to support the neoclown aggenda. He has no room to whine about it.

Please explain the distinction without a difference between "spread the wealth" and "share the wealth?" Sure seems like class warfare no matter how you slice it, dice it, or spread it.

The tax structure that Obama is advocating does not take the money out of the hands of the middle clas to subsidize the financial sector piggies. It takes it out of the hands of the financial sector piggies to help the real source of America's wealth to survive.

A tax plan that encourages small, rather than mega businesses is better for the country because it keeps moiney circulating from one hand to the next, not floating to the top where the scavengers can grab it all.

 

[geni]

You got that right. Why don't we hear about Ol' Charlie Rangel tax problems and his vacation homes in the Dominican Republic? Joe the Plumber is so much more important than Rangel.

Dunno How many times did McCain bring up Rangel?

You have all been duped. Oh look over there, it's Joe the Plumber. I Don't give a ◊◊◊◊ what Joe the Plumber said. I do give a ◊◊◊◊ what Obama said to Joe the Plumber. Obama said "spread the wealth". Carl Marx said the same thing. Obama has a socialist agenda, that he tries to keep on the down low, It slipped out.

Karl perhaps. Marx said his favorite food was fish (failed to specify which type). Are you denying that McCain has ever eaten fish?

 

[Jeff Corey]

You got that right. Why don't we hear about Ol' Charlie Rangel tax problems and his vacation homes in the Dominican Republic? Joe the Plumber is so much more important than Rangel.

You have all been duped. Oh look over there, it's Joe the Plumber. I Don't give a ◊◊◊◊ what Joe the Plumber said. I do give a ◊◊◊◊ what Obama said to Joe the Plumber. Obama said "spread the wealth". Carl Marx said the same thing. Obama has a socialist agenda, that he tries to keep on the down low, It slipped out.

That's just because you're rich, you Daddy Warbucks, you!

 

[geni]

Not allowed? There are network and cable satellite trucks parked in front of "Joe's " house. How many satellite trucks did the networks send out to Ayers house when Obama's association with him was revealed? Zero. Of course, the press should not be in front of either house. What motives did "Joe" have? To be the object of scorn and ridicule by the left leaning media? How could he possibly know that Obama would say what he said?

Obviously, you and the left msm think the question was out of bounds. Why? Because you and the left msm must have a problem with Obama's answer. Otherwise, why deflect the scrutiny to "Joe" from what Obama said?

McCain brought the guy up again and again so the media are going to be somewhat interested. He's granted enough interviews to keep them interested.

Please explain the distinction without a difference between "spread the wealth" and "share the wealth?" Sure seems like class warfare no matter how you slice it, dice it, or spread it.

Share is zero sum spread isn't.