What will Iran bomb first?

What place will Iran bomb first as retaliation?

  • Jerusalem

    Votes: 4 9.8%

  • Tel Aviv

    Votes: 8 19.5%

  • Haifa

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Beer Sheva

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Eilat

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • All of the above

    Votes: 8 19.5%

  • America

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • On Planet X, there are no Idiots

    Votes: 21 51.2%
  • Total voters
    41
Oliver said:
So if everyone is concerned. About what? [other than losing the
dominance in the ME]

What is the threat, "RandFan"? Point it out:
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? I'm not sure what you are demanding. The UN has stated quite plainly that they are concerned about Iran having nuclear capabilities. If you are denying that then you are just being willfully obtuse.

Why do you think the Russians offered to provide nuclear fuel to Iran?
 
RandFan said:
? I'm not sure what you are demanding. The UN has stated quite plainly that they are concerned about Iran having nuclear capabilities. If you are denying that then you are just being willfully obtuse.

Why do you think the Russians offered to provide nuclear fuel to Iran?
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Offering nuclear fuel to another country is a threat? Sure, where
did Israel get the nuclear fuel from then?

Oh, and despite cowards, those [including UN-]guys just visited Iran:
Former global leaders in Iran to support Khatami
 
Oliver said:
Offering nuclear fuel to another country is a threat?
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How clueless are you? The offer was made to try to remove the threat of Iran getting nuclear weapons. It is not itself a threat, and RandFan didn't mean it that way, but your complete misunderstanding of his statement indicates that you are deeply clueless about these issues, as you are about so much else. The fact that they turned it down is evidence that it's not fuel Iran is really interested in, but nuclear weapons.
 
Ziggurat said:
How clueless are you? The offer was made to try to remove the threat of Iran getting nuclear weapons. It is not itself a threat, and RandFan didn't mean it that way, but your complete misunderstanding of his statement indicates that you are deeply clueless about these issues, as you are about so much else. The fact that they turned it down is evidence that it's not fuel Iran is really interested in, but nuclear weapons.
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So what??? Israel does have Nukes. Why would a nuclear Iran be a
threat when nuclear Israel obviously isn't in your opinion?

The only answer to the question is a racist/biased one - unless,
of course, there is evidence for a threat. Which there is not a
convincing one or at least an historical precedence from the
current Iranian Regime, is there?
 
Ziggurat said:
How clueless are you? The offer was made to try to remove the threat of Iran getting nuclear weapons. It is not itself a threat, and RandFan didn't mean it that way, but your complete misunderstanding of his statement indicates that you are deeply clueless about these issues, as you are about so much else. The fact that they turned it down is evidence that it's not fuel Iran is really interested in, but nuclear weapons.
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But hardly convincing evidence when you consider that Russia cut gas supplies to Ukraine in 2006:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4572712.stm

Why would anyone want to put themself into that kind of situation? Who guarantees fuel deliveries from Russia?
 
Oliver said:
So what??? Israel does have Nukes.
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Yes.

And?
Why would a nuclear Iran be a threat when nuclear Israel obviously isn't in your opinion?
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Why do you assume that all countries are equal? They aren't.
The only answer to the question is a racist/biased one - unless, of course, there is evidence for a threat.
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The other answer, since your "only" horsecrap is dead on arrival, is intentions and demonstrated behavior.

Israel has had nukes for forty years. None used, to date. Decent track record. Not playing the NPT and IAEA game? Not such a nice track record. Mixed bag.

Iran has no nukes yet, and are already not playing nice with NPT and IAEA. Large regional power. A risk.

Me, I don't care if they get nukes, it merely adds them to the STRATCOM target list. No big deal.
Which there is not a convincing one or at least an historical precedence from the current Iranian Regime, is there?
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When you are done with your false dichotomy, please go borrow a euro and buy a clue.
 
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Oliver said:
So what??? Israel does have Nukes. Why would a nuclear Iran be a
threat when nuclear Israel obviously isn't in your opinion?
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Because one is a democracy and one is a dictatorship which sponsors international terrorist organizations. You're only allowed one guess as to which is which.

And because one would be violating the NPT, which would have global consequences for the proliferation of nuclear weapons, whereas the other one did not.

The only answer to the question is a racist/biased one
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Nice attempt at poisoning the well. Do you really want to play that game, my German friend?
 
Darth Rotor said:
Yes.

And?

Why do you assume that all countries are equal? They aren't.

The other answer, since your "only" horsecrap is dead on arrival, is intentions and demonstrated behavior.

Israel has had nukes for forty years. None used, to date. Decent track record. Not playing the NPT and IAEA game? Not such a nice track record. Mixed bag.

Iran has no nukes yet, and are already not playing nice with NPT and IAEA. Large regional power. A risk.
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Are the NPT rules fair?
The NPT also requests countries with nukes to dismantle them.
Has this been done, so far?
If not, why not?
 
Ziggurat said:
Because one is a democracy and one is a dictatorship which sponsors international terrorist organizations. You're only allowed one guess as to which is which.
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Evidence that Iran sponsors international terrorist organizations, please (no, a link to the US Department of Defense is NOT evidence )
 
Matteo Martini said:
Evidence that Iran sponsors international terrorist organizations, please (no, a link to the US Department of Defense is NOT evidence )
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Is it that you don't think Iran supports Hezbollah, or is it that you think Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization? Before I go on a wild goose chase, I'd like to know what sort of evidence you would accept.
 
Ziggurat said:
Is it that you don't think Iran supports Hezbollah, or is it that you think Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization? Before I go on a wild goose chase, I'd like to know what sort of evidence you would accept.
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According to Wikipedia, there are only four countries in the world that consider Hezbollah as a terrorist organization (three of them being the US, Canada and Israel), with other two countries consider a terrorist organization only its military part.
In a world of 250+ countries, I think this hardly constitutes evidence of Hezbollah being universally considered as a terrorist organization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

Do terrorist build schools and run hospitals?
Hezbollah also organizes extensive social development programs, running hospitals, news services, and educational facilities. Social services have a central role in the party's programs. Most experts believe that Hezbollah's social and health programs are worth hundreds of millions of dollars annually.[18]
(same source)
 
Ziggurat said:
Is it that you don't think Iran supports Hezbollah, or is it that you think Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization? Before I go on a wild goose chase, I'd like to know what sort of evidence you would accept.
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Iran declared the CIA being a terrorist organization for trying to
undermine Iran's regime by supporting Anti-Regime Terrorgroups
within Iran. So according to your argumentation, Israel is
sponsoring terrorist organizations as well in cooperating with
America and it's CIA.

Gimme something that really provides evidence for any threat
against Israel in context with "Iran violating the NPT to obtain
Nukes to use them against Israel".

You can't. And your next answer will show that. Popcorn, anyone?
 
Matteo Martini said:
According to Wikipedia, there are only four countries in the world that consider Hezbollah as a terrorist organization (three of them being the US, Canada and Israel), with other two countries consider a terrorist organization only its military part.
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That's not an answer. Even if we accept the notion that there is a separation between their branches, that still leaves the military wing of Hezbollah defined as a terrorist organization by most countries. Is this or is this not an assesment you share? And do you or do you not think that the military wing of Hezbollah is supported by Iran?
 
Oliver said:
Iran declared the CIA being a terrorist organization for trying to
undermine Iran's regime by supporting Anti-Regime Terrorgroups
within Iran. So according to your argumentation, Israel is
sponsoring terrorist organizations as well in cooperating with
America and it's CIA.
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No. In order for that argument to make any sense, I'd have to agree with Iran's assessment of the CIA, and I don't.

Gimme something that really provides evidence for any threat
against Israel in context with "Iran violating the NPT to obtain
Nukes to use them against Israel".
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Did I say that Iran would use nuclear weapons against Israel? No, I didn't. Pay attention, Oliver. I'm not here to cure your stupidity, you've got to do that on your own.
 
Ziggurat said:
That's not an answer. Even if we accept the notion that there is a separation between their branches, that still leaves the military wing of Hezbollah defined as a terrorist organization by most countries. Is this or is this not an assesment you share? And do you or do you not think that the military wing of Hezbollah is supported by Iran?
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Please, bring evidence that "the military wing of Hezbollah defined as a terrorist organization by most countries".

gtc said:
Some do, yes.

Hezbollah and the LTTE spring to mind.

Are you honestly trying to argue that Hezbollah doesn't conduct terrorist activities?
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It depends on how you define "terrorist activities".
Was the US support of Saddam in the `80s a terrorist activity too?
Was the CIA support of the evil General Noriega a terrorist activity?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...1A35753C1A96E948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
I dunno..
 
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Ziggurat said:
No. In order for that argument to make any sense, I'd have to agree with Iran's assessment of the CIA, and I don't.
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In which case you are every bit as ignorant about the subject as Matteo Martini is about American politics. Try looking up the following subjects:

Operation Ajax (Iran)
KUBARK
CIA-Savak collaboration (Iran)
Operation PBSUCCESS
Operation Mongoose

(Not all of the above related to Iran)
 
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