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Overpopulation

DanishDynamite said:
Please explain your naive answer.
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I did. You just stuck your fingers in your ear and started humming. The vast majority of our problems are caused by unsustainable techniques which have nothing to do with the population at hand. It's a problem shared around the world and a problem that dates back hundreds of years. Slash and burn farming versus crop rotation. One of these techniques involves burning copious amounts of forest down every time you want to farm.
 
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Constantly repeating a statement does not constitute evidence of its veracity.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Global warming, rain forest depletion, over fishing, energy-crisis, water shortage, food shortage, etc.

They're fundamentally caused by overpopulation.

when will the world wake up and face this fact?
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Agreed. Seems pretty obvious to me. When you have finite resources and an ever increasing population competing for them it's a clear recipe for disaster.
 
"Global warming, rain forest depletion, over fishing, energy-crisis, water shortage, food shortage, etc.

They're fundamentally caused by overpopulation."

That is my claim.

I was being a bit disengenuos. I should have said that:

Every single problem of the human race is due to overpopulation.
 
SkeptiChick said:
I'm not in the mood for dealing with recalcitrance tonight, so I'll leave you with this:

You made a claim (that global warming, etc. are the result of overpopulation). As such, the burden of proof is on you to offer up evidence to support that claim (and one word responses are not evidence).
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what is the cause of Global warming, rain forest depletion, over-fishing, etc?
 
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DanishDynamite said:
what is the cause of Global warming, rain forest depletion, over-fishing, etc?
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Stupidity...... And admittedly the fact that some of those problems are hard as hell to solve with a larger population being a greater imperious to solve them (IE energy).
 
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technoextreme said:
I am going to step away from this argument because I've been on both sides of this format of discussion. It is like arguing with a parrot.
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Take whatever steps you feel necsseary.

when you are ready to come back and make actuall arguments, please do so.
 
DanishDynamite said:
There would be no Global warming, no loss of habitat, no clearing of the rain forest, no over fishing, no problem, if there wasnt overpopultion.
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That may be true in a sense, but it is not necessarily a useful attribution of cause. This is like letting loose 20 kids in a room with loaded guns, and then saying that the carnage is because there were too many kids in the room. There's truth in the statement, but it's not necessarily the truth we need for understanding the problem.
 
bruto said:
That may be true in a sense, but it is not necessarily a useful attribution of cause. This is like letting loose 20 kids in a room with loaded guns, and then saying that the carnage is because there were too many kids in the room. There's truth in the statement, but it's not necessarily the truth we need for understanding the problem.
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Too many humans is the cause of almost all our problems on Earth.
 
By "over" population, I assume that you mean that it is more than the world can sustain. You really need evidence for this. I would argue that the world has improved it's ability to support it's population, with decreasing poverty in Asia, leaving Africa the next (really big) problem.

And for those "population bomb" fans who see exponential increases in population, latest UN predictions are for increases to occur until 2075, and then decreasing and stabalising right up to 2300.

http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/longrange2/WorldPop2300final.pdf
 
DanishDynamite said:
Too many humans is* the cause of almost all our problems on Earth.
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That's not a very informative response. I still only half agree. Too many humans acting badly is* the cause of most of those problems. The problems could be mitigated by reducing the number of humans doing the wrong things to a level where those wrong things were less harmful, or by the same number of humans acting more responsibly (or of course both). I think your answer is simplistic and of little practical use.


* I thought about the grammatical correctness of this, and I think DD and I are using that "is" properly. It is not the same thing as saying too many humans are the cause....
 
bruto said:
* I thought about the grammatical correctness of this, and I think DD and I are using that "is" properly. It is not the same thing as saying too many humans are the cause....
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Generally speaking, you would say either "overpopulation is the problem" or "the problem is that there are too many humans." The statement "Too many humans is the problem" is not really proper.
 
SkeptiChick said:
Generally speaking, you would say either "overpopulation is the problem" or "the problem is that there are too many humans." The statement "Too many humans is the problem" is not really proper.
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Perhaps not proper but considered, then. There are certainly better ways to do it, but my point is that the "is" is not the same as an "are."

Too many humans, is the problem.

That there are too many humans is the problem.

Too many humans, that's the problem.


etc.
 
I really don't want to derail this thread but I agree with Bruto's grammar here. "Too many humans" directly corresponds to "overpopulation" and if you substitute the latter it becomes clear. So I think, anyway :)
 
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