Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[NobbyNobbs]

How would I entertain that idea? How would you do this?

Excellent question, and my answer would depend on what I know of the entities' abilities. If the entities' can tell me the contents of a sealed envelope, then my proposed protocol would be different than if they couldn't.

If your claim is that the entities can project their voices onto a magnetic tape, my first question would be "Is a recorder necessary?" If not, then the protocol is easy. Ten tapes are provided, brand new, still wrapped, labeled 1-10. A roll of a ten-sided die chooses one at random. That tape is placed inside a soundproofed box during the experiment. Afterwards, it and the other nine are played randomly for a panel of neutral observers, people who have not touched the tapes, witnessed the event, or met each other. They each listen to each tape, individually. The write down which tape they think had the voices and what the voices said. If 90% of the panel agree with each other, the experiment is a success.

This is a rather inexpensive experiment, and it shouldn't be hard to do a test run.

Now, should a recorder be necessary, use a similar protocol, but have no power supplied to the recorder. A multimeter can easily verify that no power is flowing.

Should the entities require a powered recorder, it gets a bit more complex, but not much.

As you can see, the protocol depends largely on the abilities of the entities. You haven't been too detailed about that, so it's difficult to assist too much with the protocol.

Regardless of the protocol you end up with, my offer to be a neutral 3rd party still stands.

 

[Azrael 5]

I see no protocol being put forward this week,were I a betting man I would wager we will never see one.
Fortuantely Jeff Wagg has stated the application is on hold so no-one is wasting their time waiting for TP.

 

[Marcus]

In the interests of assisting the Professor to develop his protocol, would you please share with us the details of the evacuated box you used in your own experiment?

I would be interested in this as well. In the meantime, I would point out that simple, single stage vacuum pumps are not expensive(we don't need a hard vacuum) and a woodworker could build the box. It would have to be airtight, of course, but this is not hard when you are using plexiglass.

 

[The Professor]

I see no protocol being put forward this week,were I a betting man I would wager we will never see one.
Fortuantely Jeff Wagg has stated the application is on hold so no-one is wasting their time waiting for TP.

You were wrong on the media presence, the academic, the application, and the Claim .... So why do you think after being WRONG all those other times that you'll finally be right?

How much you want to lose?
Oh that's right ... You said if you weren't a betting man. With your record I wouldn't bet either

 

[paximperium]

You were wrong on the media presence, the academic, the application, and the Claim .... So why do you think after being WRONG all those other times that you'll finally be right?

How much you want to lose?
Oh that's right ... You said if you weren't a betting man. With your record I wouldn't bet either

So does that mean you have the protocol ready for submission?

 

[The Professor]

Yes, I am very close. As always I DO have help from others to keep on track.
Oh... and by the way
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4106274#post4106274

 

[The Professor]

I would be interested in this as well. In the meantime, I would point out that simple, single stage vacuum pumps are not expensive(we don't need a hard vacuum) and a woodworker could build the box. It would have to be airtight, of course, but this is not hard when you are using plexiglass.

We are entertaining the effects of this protocol, however, people with much more experience than I have, have advised another possibility.

I am almost done with this but unfortunately someone closely involved in the application has passed away. The service will be this Friday. You can guess that I'm very sad. But I am making progress.

The invocation for the protocol is almost completed and the actual Hardware used is almost decided on also.

Is there a member here in Florida that would volunteer to put the instrumentation together?

Thanks for your help and understanding.
Dave

 

[Azrael 5]

It's on hold for this year,so take your time Dave.No rush.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

We are entertaining the effects of this protocol, however, people with much more experience than I have, have advised another possibility.

Mr. Koenig,

Most of the people advising you in this thread are people with much more experience. They have helped advise many others on developing a proper protocol for the challenge. It might be a good idea to listen to what they have to say.


And my offer still stands.

 

[buzz lightyear]

The invocation for the protocol is almost completed and the actual Hardware used is almost decided on also.

If you must copy Aleister Crowley then you aught to be aware of this clause in the MDC agreement.

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IMPORTANT: Only claims that can be verified by evidence under proper observing conditions will be accepted. Also, JREF will NOT accept claims of the existence of deities or demons/angels, the validity of exorcism, religious claims, cloudbusting, causing the Sun to rise or the stars to move, etc. JREF will also NOT test claims that are likely to cause injury of any sort, such as those involving the withholding of air, food or water, or the use of illicit materials, drugs, or dangerous devices.

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If you look at the last line you will see that Randi wants you "clean" and safe.
Which could be a bitch if you are going to use Crowley techniques, as he did a bunch of hard drugs and some weird sex to commune with the gods.

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[The Professor]

Please elaborate on "Your Offer"?
Thanks
Dave

 

[petre]

We are entertaining the effects of this protocol, however, people with much more experience than I have, have advised another possibility.

I am almost done with this but unfortunately someone closely involved in the application has passed away. The service will be this Friday. You can guess that I'm very sad. But I am making progress.

The invocation for the protocol is almost completed and the actual Hardware used is almost decided on also.

Is there a member here in Florida that would volunteer to put the instrumentation together?

Thanks for your help and understanding.
Dave

My sincere condolences for your loss. Do take time for yourself if needed, we will be here.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Please elaborate on "Your Offer"?
Thanks
Dave

See post 1163 on page 30 of this thread.

 

[The Professor]

NN .... Sounds like a good deal!

Thanks Petre, I'd met someone with interest and expertise in my main area of study, and she makes a transition from this life. I'm very saddened, as is my daughter. There are many reasons why we don't want to see someone go, and mine are usually selfish. This one is about the same.

The protocol will continue soon. Others are still working on it in my absence.
Thanks
Dave

 

[rjh01]

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The protocol will continue soon. Others are still working on it in my absence.
Thanks
Dave

You have been working on the protocol for several weeks and it is still not finished. For something that should be no more than a few hours work that is a long time. If you have an ability that you can show to the world and have done this several times before the protocol should be easy. However as you have taken so long to produce nothing I do not see any reason why anyone should take you seriously.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

NN .... Sounds like a good deal!

Thanks
Dave

Great. Let me know (well ahead of time, if possible) when you will need my services, make sure the JREF approves of me, and I look forward to it. You can contact me most easily by sending me a PM on this forum.

 

[The Professor]

You have been working on the protocol for several weeks and it is still not finished. For something that should be no more than a few hours work that is a long time. If you have an ability that you can show to the world and have done this several times before the protocol should be easy. However as you have taken so long to produce nothing I do not see any reason why anyone should take you seriously.

With your World View, I doubt that you have ever taken me seriously, or anyone like me. So what's your point?

If you have noticed, there are quite a few rules and regulations. It's not JUST THAT EASY as some have stated.

Anything worth doing is worth doing right. It seems that many here want to hurry the process in an attempt to get me to forget to dot the I's or cross the tTs.

I will not fall into your trap.

 

[catbasket]

... It seems that many here want to hurry the process in an attempt to get me to forget to dot the I's or cross the tTs.

What a ridiculous attempt to spin the truth! Anyone who reads this thread can plainly see that it was you who tried to hurry the process by insisting the preliminary test be done on October 31st 2008.

You must remember that writing your protocol is not the end of the discussions - the JREF will almost certainly require clarification and/or amendments. The protocol must be agreed by both parties, JREF and claimant. I suspect the reason people are keen to see your protocol asap is simply because they know this and are eager that the protocol is worked on and acceptable to both parties in time for a prelim test in October 2009.

 

[RoboTimbo]

With your World View, I doubt that you have ever taken me seriously, or anyone like me. So what's your point?

If you have noticed, there are quite a few rules and regulations. It's not JUST THAT EASY as some have stated.

Anything worth doing is worth doing right. It seems that many here want to hurry the process in an attempt to get me to forget to dot the I's or cross the tTs.

I will not fall into your trap.

Your nonchalance about the process almost resulted in you missing the deadline for wording your claim. And that had to be handed to you by others. Stop me if you've heard this before but everyone on here EXCEPT YOU tried to come up with a protocol to meet YOUR artificial deadline of October 31.

What are you talking about, crossing T's and dotting I's? It's the people on this forum who will make sure that there isn't any forgetting those. You're really making it obvious that you won't fall into the "trap" of being fairly tested in a controlled environment.

Now, how about that protocol discussion? List the steps you have so far.

 

[not daSkeptic]

It's not JUST THAT EASY as some have stated.

Why not? All JREF is asking for is a demonstration of your claimed abilities in such a way that rules out any other explanation for the phenomena they produce. If you truly have such abilities, then you have already performed this demonstration for yourself. You would have had to, otherwise there would be no way for you to know you have these abilities. So why can't you just repeat the same procedure for JREF? Why must you design something new?